pUs 311 Posted May 18, 2008 Dunno if you've already seen this, but I thought I'd share two interesting pics. It's Jamie Booth's TRF Egress from 1990, I get the feeling that this concept car was what led to the development of the Manta Ray the very same year. I used to have an issue of RCMC which featured much better pictures than this, although that particular issue is gone since a long time ago.. Note the very interesting "regular" suspension set up with what looks to be Hotshot/Topforce uprights. Where do those blue arms come from? At first I thought they were Terra Schorcher items, but at least in the front end that might not be the case.. also, how are they mounted? If anybody have that old RCMC issue - pleeease scan those images! Also, it might be cool to get that french text translated, I have no idea what it says.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B.M.T. 127 Posted May 18, 2008 The front end does look like it's sporting Hot Shot hub carriers, as did the Manta Ray. Most likely was the test bed for the Manta Ray/Top Force suspension, but that looks 100% Egress driveline. What I'd like to see, if anyone has a photo of it, was the car Tamiya entered in the 1993 Worlds, a proto twin belt called the TRF 410.... No prizes what got most of it's bits, except for shorter arms, chassis and belts a little down the track..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
europro975 75 Posted May 18, 2008 The front end does look like it's sporting Hot Shot hub carriers, as did the Manta Ray. Most likely was the test bed for the Manta Ray/Top Force suspension, but that looks 100% Egress driveline. What I'd like to see, if anyone has a photo of it, was the car Tamiya entered in the 1993 Worlds, a proto twin belt called the TRF 410.... No prizes what got most of it's bits, except for shorter arms, chassis and belts a little down the track..... TRF411X Prototype 4WD Buggy, produced in conjuction with Dyna Storm Prototype (TRF211X) http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...449&id=5594 http://www.rct.jp/contents/lab/chassis/buggy/trf411x/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B.M.T. 127 Posted May 18, 2008 Ah, thanks for that. You can see a TA-04ness about the shape of the motor plate... Good old Tamiya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pUs 311 Posted May 19, 2008 Ah, thanks for that.You can see a TA-04ness about the shape of the motor plate... Good old Tamiya. The motor plate is actually a stock Dyna Storm gearbox plate, as is the whole rear gearbox. Only difference is a longer layshaft to accomodate the belt pulley, and of course the gearbox is flipped around backwards to have a mid-motor setup. It's mostly in the front end that a lot of new parts were created for the TRF411X. To this day I still find it strange that the car was never mass produced. I saw it in reality in 1994 and it looked 'ready', not like a prototype at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terry.sc 16 Posted May 21, 2008 It's mostly in the front end that a lot of new parts were created for the TRF411X. To this day I still find it strange that the car was never mass produced.It very nearly was, as the Neo Shot http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...7651&id=254 but Tamiya cancelled it after showing the prototypes around model shows, I guess they didn't get the feedback they were hoping for.Strangely enough Jamies Egress wasn't covered much in the UK magazines and there weren't many photos of it that I can recall. Basically Tamiya UK threw a lot of money at the national championships for a couple of years and basically ended up using the Egress platform as a development hack which eventually developed into the Manta Ray. All suspension parts were custom machined for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
astute77 0 Posted May 22, 2008 It very nearly was, as the Neo Shot http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...7651&id=254 but Tamiya cancelled it after showing the prototypes around model shows, I guess they didn't get the feedback they were hoping for.Strangely enough Jamies Egress wasn't covered much in the UK magazines and there weren't many photos of it that I can recall. Basically Tamiya UK threw a lot of money at the national championships for a couple of years and basically ended up using the Egress platform as a development hack which eventually developed into the Manta Ray. All suspension parts were custom machined for it. It is strange to think that the Manta Ray evolved from the Egress - the Egress just seems like a more advanced car (I guess just because of all the titanium and other fancy materials).. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kontemax 1723 Posted May 22, 2008 My god, the Neo Shot was one of the ugliest thing I ever seen... Max Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamita 0 Posted May 22, 2008 neo shot shell looks very baja champ. the chassis looks very crude even for a prototype.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pUs 311 Posted May 23, 2008 It very nearly was, as the Neo Shot http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...7651&id=254 but Tamiya cancelled it after showing the prototypes around model shows, I guess they didn't get the feedback they were hoping for.Strangely enough Jamies Egress wasn't covered much in the UK magazines and there weren't many photos of it that I can recall. Basically Tamiya UK threw a lot of money at the national championships for a couple of years and basically ended up using the Egress platform as a development hack which eventually developed into the Manta Ray. All suspension parts were custom machined for it. I don't agree at all, the Neo Shot had absolutely nothing in common with the 411X. Totally different concept. Different geometry everywhere, longer arms, 2 belts instead of one on the 411X, moulded chassis with kick up, etc...only thing remaining the same was the shape of the belt, going on top of the motor. The neoshot looked like it was a bit TA04-based. The 411X was pretty much a converted Dyna Storm with the transmission flipped backwards, and a somewhat Yokomo Works-inspired front ends... however, the final version of the 411X looked almost production-ready. I held it in my hands back in 1994, and I just couldn't understand why it wasn't produced. Regarding the Egress, I used to have an issue of RCMC which had a lot of pictures of Jamie's works Egress, two whole pages with very detailed views of the car. Think it was October 1990 or something.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamiya Era 778 Posted June 4, 2014 Hi all, i and my friend are very proud to put this thread back to life since he My friend finally got the Extreme and the only Jamie Booth 1990 Trf Egress.. Yes...it is in our hands and we will do our best to restore it to best more details are coming soon, so stay tuned...and will post photos too Cheers 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
94eg! 834 Posted June 4, 2014 You must post the "before" pictures. May be better to preserve, rather than restore. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kyosho1 86 Posted June 6, 2014 Must dissect it up to see the mods done to it. Postmortem analysis of what he did - whether it was good or no good for the Egress. Oh, this is exciting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamiya Era 778 Posted June 6, 2014 Actually, It is the remains of the car that Tamiya tested before creating the manta ray and Top Force. These parts were made by tamiya as custom for Jamie....i am going to upload the photos now!... So Jamie gave this Master piece ( the remains ) to my friend, so we can restore it little and keep the old look as it is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamiya Era 778 Posted June 6, 2014 And..here is The Egress Era.....imagine you have the first of the First testing version of this even before the born of Manta Ray and TF...ohhhhh maaan: Thats you can see the mantaRay and TF parts were used Cheers 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grastens 2795 Posted June 6, 2014 Some very interesting combinations of pieces in those remnants. Either a restoration or a display is needed, even if just displaying the pieces! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamiya Era 778 Posted June 6, 2014 Of-course we will keep it as it with only little resto. like: decal, and some few parts...we will not interfere with the current parts. Just what is missing we will add with utmost care 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kyosho1 86 Posted June 7, 2014 http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/TamiyaEra/media/Screenshot_2014-06-06-14-07-41_zpsc6774f91.png.html Can we discuss about the mods done here? I think Jamie went back to this front steering hub design because the Egress one was fragile. If Jamie had the re-re Aluminium, this modified hub wouldn't be necessary. I also think the blue colored front lower wishbone suspension does not have any increase in the suspension travel when compared to the Egress one. Any thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kyosho1 86 Posted June 7, 2014 http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/TamiyaEra/media/Screenshot_2014-06-06-14-08-20_zps7862c406.png.html I wonder how that metal adapter (to hold the lower suspension arm) stays in place without moving out of position? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bjorklo 1620 Posted June 7, 2014 This is so exciting, i didn't know this car Even did exist.. Haider, you know what will on my project list now :-) This is a must have for me.... I can't belive that i actually mention this just a few days ago, that tamiya should have made a car out of the Egress serie's and TP serie's, and here it is, how awesome isn't that.. We'll ok it's not one of their new released, but it got my attention :-) Looking forward to a very detailed thread with allot of pictures :-p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
94eg! 834 Posted June 7, 2014 http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/TamiyaEra/media/Screenshot_2014-06-06-14-07-41_zpsc6774f91.png.html Can we discuss about the mods done here? I think Jamie went back to this front steering hub design because the Egress one was fragile. If Jamie had the re-re Aluminium, this modified hub wouldn't be necessary. I also think the blue colored front lower wishbone suspension does not have any increase in the suspension travel when compared to the Egress one. Any thoughts? The Egress front knuckle is a terrible design. Having the part made out of aluminum will do nothing for the actual handling of the car. Haven't you ever noticed how the front wheels of these cars bobble around like crazy when you drive them? This is called "scrub radius" and it's exceptionaly poor on the Avante series. Give me that custom lower arm mount, and I would put a DB01 front end on this car without a second though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
94eg! 834 Posted June 7, 2014 http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/TamiyaEra/media/Screenshot_2014-06-06-14-08-20_zps7862c406.png.html I wonder how that metal adapter (to hold the lower suspension arm) stays in place without moving out of position? The mount probably replaces the front cross member that travels across the entire front face of the gearbox. I cannot wait to see this thing disassembled. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grastens 2795 Posted June 8, 2014 Give me that custom lower arm mount, and I would put a DB01 front end on this car without a second though. New project! Maybe a restoration thread will inspire new Egress-based projects on here when information on Booth's modifications becomes more detailed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wez-li 1790 Posted June 8, 2014 Great topic, can't wait to see this stripped down! New project! Maybe a restoration thread will inspire new Egress-based projects on here when information on Booth's modifications becomes more detailed. Most members Egress' haven't even been built yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites