chevelle 997 Posted October 7, 2015 I was checking Tamiya listings as I do and I noticed a well used Hotshot with an unusually high bid price, When I checked other items sold by bmxmad72 I found that ALL of those items had bids from the same buyer pushing the price up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TWINSET 1793 Posted October 7, 2015 One doesn't have this problem with 'Buy It Now' It's called 'Shill Bidding' and it's one of the more easlly reported things on eBay (just banged 'em one over)Yup, looks like l***t (22) has been doing him a lot of favours,Item number:331605460898Item number:331603793091Item number:331646360555Item number:331603791344Item number:331603789106Item number:331670395773Item number: 331668847533 (Still live at time of posting)Whilst it's practically impossible to get a bidder's ID now, their current bid history shows they bid 100% of their bids on bmxmad72 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matman 1499 Posted October 7, 2015 Would not surprise me it's the same person . With two accounts . I have seen this alot , This is what Ebay should be fixing !!! & not fixing there Ebay pockets . This is why you have too , look at who has bid etc ... I have found that out the hard way , Years ago . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chevelle 997 Posted October 7, 2015 And i***t was the highest bidder until 1hr before list ending then surprise surprise "bid retraction" but has still pushed price up a lot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chevelle 997 Posted October 7, 2015 Are you kidding me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TWINSET 1793 Posted October 7, 2015 Check his feedback though - someone else saw the problem too http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=bmxmad72&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&which=negative&interval=30&_trkparms=negative_30 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shodog 1835 Posted October 7, 2015 eBay has no incentive to fix this. Higher final value fees means more money in their pockets 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TWINSET 1793 Posted October 7, 2015 They don't get any fees if the 'buyer' doesn't pay as the seller requests a credit for fees. The buyer gets a NPB strike, but the seller's got it on his record (for a year anyway) that he is involved with shill bids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chevelle 997 Posted October 7, 2015 Oh wow someone made sure they won so they could leave outing feedback on them How did the seller not realize that some would notice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TWINSET 1793 Posted October 7, 2015 Shill bidding's been talked about since the early days of TC (see link further down)As long as bidders think eBay's a safe, cosy place to buy then some sellers will try it.I'm not sure if eBay still apply fees for start prices or reserve pricing, but shill bidding used to be a way of avoiding the fees - Apparently, one started an auction at £0.01 to get lowest insertion fees, then got a mate to bid whatever the seller considered a reasonable price to be which avoided the reserve price listing fee. The only risk was subsequent bidders may not exceed the 'mate reserve' in which case the seller would have to relist the item; http://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=19845#entry118615 Shill bidding used to be dead easy to spot as a lot of 'eastern' sellers used it and every shill account had 11 or 12 positive feedback - not sure why 11/12 was the magic number but it always made me check the situation at that point. You could even discover 11 or 12 shill-bid accounts too, as they all left each other feedback Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crash Cramer 617 Posted November 20, 2015 Hmmm, that negative feedback has been repaired now, seems he has 100% Great feedback ONLY positive.HMMMMM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nobbi1977 1793 Posted November 20, 2015 Hmmm, that negative feedback has been repaired now, seems he has 100% Great feedback ONLY positive.HMMMMM eBay help sellers by deleting negative or neutral comments if the do not fit a normal pattern of your selling. I got an email a couple of months ago to say they had removed a neutral one from mine I would have been happy to have stayed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TWINSET 1793 Posted November 20, 2015 Hmmm, that negative feedback has been repaired now, seems he has 100% Great feedback ONLY positive.HMMMMM If the 'buyer' that left the negative never paid for the item (and it's unlikely they paid seeing as they were 'outing' the seller) then the transaction is void, so the feedback would be too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkysx 125 Posted February 29, 2016 eBay has no incentive to fix this. Higher final value fees means more money in their pockets I wonder how much money ebay would have to give back, if all of the shill bidding ever done could be proven? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crash Cramer 617 Posted March 1, 2016 Probably more than Bernie Madoff stole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richb77 78 Posted September 23, 2016 On another forum I am a member of, these people are posted about with pretty damning evidence of their shill bidding activities, a group of us would jam the price up rediculously high to the point the seller knew he had been rumbled and pulled the auction or gave up shill bidding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites