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[backtomyroots]

Can we institute a new rule for the homepage ?

Let it be this:

*All items listed for sale must have a price posted with them
*If willing to bargain have that listed in item description
*If looking for trades ~ list the wanted items.

This is a common rule elsewhere and helps with keeping email inquiries down, shows what the seller is willing to work with and keeps lowball offers of the "unknown" to a minimum.

Go ahead and vote for it ~ makes sense to me .

[Gruntfuggly]

Sometimes I have things I want to trade - not sell - but don't have anything particular in mind that I want...

[Jonny Retro]

Can we institute a new rule for the homepage ?

Let it be this:

*All items listed for sale must have a price posted with them
*If willing to bargain have that listed in item description
*If looking for trades ~ list the wanted items.

This is a common rule elsewhere and helps with keeping email inquiries down, shows what the seller is willing to work with and keeps lowball offers of the "unknown" to a minimum.

Go ahead and vote for it ~ makes sense to me .

I'd agree with some of that - I'm getting very fed up of seeing ads where someone is just "testing the water" with no indication of the price range they're hoping to get.

[Lemming]

NOT trying to be negative, but unfortunately this has been gone over numerous times in the past...

In 2003: http://www.tamiyaclu...?showtopic=9944
Again: http://www.tamiyaclu...showtopic=10029
Then in 2005: http://www.tamiyaclu...showtopic=10598
2006: http://www.tamiyaclu...showtopic=26770
Again: http://www.tamiyaclu...showtopic=29980
And again: http://www.tamiyaclu...showtopic=28356
etc...

Last one I am aware of was here (end of last year), and I only remember that one because I actually got involved in the discussion.

The end result is that people always agree to disagree and nothing changes unless a majority agree on it or we can convince the site owner/mods that it is a good way forward.

Steve

[backtomyroots]

NOT trying to be negative, but unfortunately this has been gone over numerous times in the past...

I thought it was time we reveiwed it yet again .

[Lemming]

I thought it was time we reveiwed it yet again .

In that case...

Well said that man!

Maybe worth getting a poll going on the thread

Steve

[fatboyslim]

Yeah with you on this!!
Really annoys me when you see ads that say...
'I know what this is worth, so no how much or low ball e-mails'
So if you know what it's worth then state a price or invite offers around xx

[DeeMiller]

Good point but it really cures itself:
If you don't quote a price, people won't react (get frustrated or annoyed for that matter).

I'd say: "You don't HAVE TO buy!"

Grtz Dee.

[B.M.T.]

I won't even offer on things where a price is not set.

Say what you want for it, and then I'll decide to inquire.

[RallyeBaz]

Can we institute a new rule for the homepage ?

Let it be this:

*All items listed for sale must have a price posted with them

Totally agree.

How do I know what everythings worth ??? The last thing I want to do is insult a TC member with a low offer.

Like selling real cars. You always add a bit extra on, because you know the buyer is going to knock you down with a lower offer.

WIN : WIN

[adam1973]

I agree with the putting a price on things, it too annoys me when a pice is not listed with the item/s for sale.

[backtomyroots]

POLL ADDED ~ Vote away .

[loaded]

Hi there,

The vote is a little ambiguous, it should be absolutely clear what you are asking people to vote on : that they CANNOT list an item without putting a price on.

Paul.

[dready]

Good point but here's another.

Lets say your placing a Wanted Ad if you change the Section would that mean you have to put a price that your willing to pay?

Just a thought

As for pricing every item i think it's a bad thing because all the prices will end up being high and no bargains will be had.

When messaging a member i always tend to Chuck a cheeky Low ball offer in to start with.
You never know you might get lucky and get a bargain.
And you usually get a response and work it out between yourselfs.

I have also given parts away for just the postage on more than one occassion to help other members out.
Cant put a Price on Free!
neil

[Gruntfuggly]

I think the trade room is fine as it is - theres plenty of flexibility...

[acprc]

I quite like the traderoom as it is at the moment but let me put my two cents in regarding an issue I have at the moment.

I have a Nichimo Corvette new build for sale at the moment. It came to me with 25 other cars.

I have as yet found zero out about the car, when it was made and Google doesn't have a single reference or picture about it apart from the ones from this site. So what is it worth? Is it so rare it's worth a fortune or just not worth anything. Incidentally Ebay hasn't given me anything to go by for the last 9 months.

My point is some things are just that, make me an offer. I don't bite, i'm always polite. I do try to list with a price but some things just rely on public demand or interest to ascertain a price. As mentioned further up the thread, how many people sell a car without looking up it's current value online or in a guide first? Sadly not everything is as easy to price as a Sand Scorcher etc.

Thoughts, and it's still open to offers!

Adam

[loaded]

I am not sure the rarity of the Corvette pushes its value up. Rarity is only an issue if the item is in demand, which to a certain degree this car isn't, say in comparison to the Sand Scorcher. There are other Nichimo cars in the stable, I have a couple of them, value from $150 to around $250 each. I should imagine if you ebayed it you would find out, but it would probably go for even less, say $150. Again, this doesn't mean it is worth this, just that at that particular time in the market, from the available people who weren't on holiday and didn't forget to bid, that was the highest bid. I reckon it would go for $150 on ebay. I would bid if you listed it, as I don't think I have that one. However, your point is that the item couldn't be listed with a price if you don't know it, so this is a good point.

Personally I think that things should stay the way they are and people should be thicker skinned. After all, you may not like the seller, but you don't have to marry him or her! There is too much pride from buyers who will probably never meet the seller and cut their nose of to spite their own face : "I won't buy from him on principle". I think this is a little childish and short sighted. With commodities the market is competitive, but with rarer items, sometimes you will have to deal in a way you don't like, or with people you wouldn't otherwise deal with to get what you want. Buyers often forget that it is them that wants the item. They also often think that sellers need the money or something. Often they just need the space, or get bored with an item and just want rid of it. Sometimes money means little to these people, however, that doesn't ever mean they will give the item away.

Paul.

[Lemming]

Extremely valid points on the rare or unusual examples. Point in case for me would be my hopped-up Avante. Not seen one with so many hop-ups for sale anywhere to get a guide price if I decide to part with it. The main question would then be is it worth more than a standard one as they are all original Tamiya hop-ups, or maybe less as it is non-original...?

I can understand the frustration on this issue, especially on known quantities where well established prices are out there (even if they are stupidly expensive). I also hate it when people say something like "no low offers - I know what it is worth". In that event, just price the darn thing!

BUT, the problem is that there are unusual / special items out there for which people have no idea of price so we have to allow for some flexibility. Versions of vehicles which have been personally modified (special changes, not normal available mods) but the standard versions have known prices. Would the special mods make the vehicle worth more, and if so by how much?

I therefore also understand the "testing the water" ones. As I have no idea of value, if I decided that I might sell my Avante, I would be horrified to find out that the prospective members de-valued it based upon the "non-original" viewpoint. Then again, I would like to know that before putting it on Ebay, so as not to get heartbroken that my baby sold for 50...

So... Is it a bad thing to see what interest there is out there? Probably not, but maybe people wanting to do this should use the forums rather than using the main sales section and knocking a definite "for sale" item off the list. Only down-side is whether anyone who really wants the item in question would actually bother posting (or PMing) to let you know what they think it should be worth.

Anyway, hope I made some sense for once (a rare thing nowadays) and as usual, opinions are my own and no offense is intended...

Steve

ps I'm sure that staying at home with a 2 year old has detrimental effects on your brain. Evan is getting smarter by the day, but I seem to be getting dumber at twice the rate!

[lupogtiboy]

i just feel that i don't want to insult people by putting in an offer thats too low. some kind of rough estimate as to what the seller wants should be the norm. A lot of the VW sites that i go on won't let you keep an ad up unless you state a price.

[Gruntfuggly]

If you think your offer would be insulting then surely you know it's too low?

If you genuinely don't know, then say so and apologise in advance - if the seller is still insulted, you're probably better off not dealing with them...

[DeeMiller]

If you don't know what it's worth, put it on eBay.
Autumn and winter are good seasons to sell, for buying, use spring or summer.
eBay is a good reference for prices, you can even add a reserve.
If you want top-dollar for it, you've got to be lucky, nothing more nothing less.

So, what about selling on TC?
Well, sought after items sell themselves, really.

Rare doesn't mean it's worth a lot though so ask yourself, will I regret it if it's gone?
If you do, again, don't sell, simple.
If you need money, you should have bought gold but some of us are lucky and earn something out of this hobby.
Like myself, I've a collection of Nikko Sixwheelers for sale (shameless plug, I know) but not a single offer while I have added a realistic price.
Rare? Maybe...
Price too high?
I don't think so as I payed the same amount when I bought them.
Is that the market value?
I really don't know.
I guess, the demand is very low although they are rare.

As many members can admit, I always want to help people, that's why I'm in this club.
I also like to surpise people who share the same hobby but I'm defenately not in it for the money.
I think everyone should keep that in mind.

One thing I do find annoyning: the phrase "before it goes to eBay"...
In those cases, I reallly don't bother making an offer...
Selling is an art and a big piece of luck (same as buying btw, lol!).

Grtz Dee.

[backtomyroots]

If you don't know what it's worth, put it on eBay.
Autumn and winter are good seasons to sell, for buying, use spring or summer.
eBay is a good reference for prices, you can even add a reserve.
If you want top-dollar for it, you've got to be lucky, nothing more nothing less.

So, what about selling on TC?
Well, sought after items sell themselves, really.

Rare doesn't mean it's worth a lot though so ask yourself, will I regret it if it's gone?
If you do, again, don't sell, simple.
If you need money, you should have bought gold but some of us are lucky and earn something out of this hobby.
Like myself, I've a collection of Nikko Sixwheelers for sale (shameless plug, I know) but not a single offer while I have added a realistic price.
Rare? Maybe...
Price too high?
I don't think so as I payed the same amount when I bought them.
Is that the market value?
I really don't know.
I guess, the demand is very low although they are rare.

As many members can admit, I always want to help people, that's why I'm in this club.
I also like to surpise people who share the same hobby but I'm defenately not in it for the money.
I think everyone should keep that in mind.

One thing I do find annoyning: the phrase "before it goes to eBay"...
In those cases, I reallly don't bother making an offer...
Selling is an art and a big piece of luck (same as buying btw, lol!).

Grtz Dee.

Well spoken Mr DeeMiller. Well spoken.

[HereBeMonsters]

Compulsory prices please!!

[ukzz4iroc]

Agreed Dee, things I hate-

"Before it goes to ebay"
"Will not respond to low offers"- if you know what is low then you know what price you want for it so stop playing games! The only time I say 'offers' is when I genuinely don't know what it is worth and usually the best offer gets it. Simple.
"We all know what this is worth" So put a price in the ad!
"Testing the water" The phrase alone annoys me
"Paypal add 4%" Just add it to the asking price

Thants about it. As for the poll, I think the sytem is ok as it is, it's just some of the members

[Mad Ax]

My opinions are still out on this one. To be honest, if I see something with no price, I tend to skip past thinking "seller probably wants more than I can afford, so I won't bother asking." On the occasions I have made an offer, I've found the seller's wanted price to be higher than what I'd consider to be the norm - no offence to sellers, we're entitled to ask what we want for our stuff; I'm not embarrassed to make an offer that's too low and have never had a non-response or a rude reply; sellers have always been polite in pointing out they want more than I'm offering and there's no bad feeling at all.

I agree that if prices were listed, it would be much easier for me to decide whether or not to open the link and contact the seller (and would make me more likely to do so).

On the other hand, if I'm in no rush to sell something and have no idea what it's worth, I'm happy to let it sit on Trades with a "make me an offer" for a while until somebody comes along searching for it.