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#1 pikachoo-75

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 01:53 AM

Perhaps easier to find when using the search function.

kinda generalised to main differences.

TA01
..wheelbase 257mm width F+R 190mm
-------red gearboxes and touring shock towers front=50541 rear=50478
-------red "Hotshot" front uprights (2x1150 bearings per upright)=50648
-------Manta Ray front C hubs,rear uprights and inboard steering plastic parts=50554
-------Ta01 short span wishbones F+R D parts=50646
-------39mm shiny Dogbones F+R (plastic coated tips)=2x 50650
-------TG10 shiny wheel axles F+R=2x 50823
-------26mm standard wheels F+R
-------regular length chassis bathtub(grey????)0335120????
-------regular length centre prop shaft=?????
-------all plastic gear set with front gear diff and rear ball diff=50529 or Manta Ray gear set and alloy counter/idler gears=50394??????
-------shiny diff cup joints for front gear and rear ball diff ?????
-------Touring bumper and E parts (battery clip)=50647 + short damper pistons
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-------Rally bumper N parts ????? and longer damper pistons


TA02
..wheelbase 257mm width F+R 190mm
--------red gearboxes and touring shock towers front=50541 rear=50478
--------blue 4wd Touring/CC01/FWD front uprights (1510+1260 bearings per upright)=50555
--------Manta Ray front C hubs,rear uprights and inboard steering parts=50554
--------long span front wishbones=50649 + swept rearward style short span rear wishbones=50556
--------45mm matt all steel front=50643 + 39mm shiny (plastic coated tips) rear dogbones=50650
--------TGX front wheel axles=50604 + TG10 shiny rear wheel axles=50823
--------26mm standard wheels F+R
--------short length chassis bathtub(black)=50637
--------short length centre prop shaft=?????
--------all plastic gearset with front gear diff and rear ball diff=50529
--------shiny diff cup joints for front gear and rear ball diff=?????
--------Touring bumper and E parts (battery clip)=50647 + short damper pistons
-------- or
--------Rally bumper N parts=????? and longer damper pistons


TA02W
..wheelbase 257mm width F+R 200mm
-------red gearboxes and touring shock towers front=50541 rear=50478
-------red "Hotshot" front uprights (2x115 bearings per upright))=50648
-------Manta Ray front C hubs,rear uprights and inboard steering parts=50554
-------long span front wishbones=50649 + swept rearward style short span rear wishbones=50556
-------45mm matt all steel front=50643 + 39mm shiny (plastic coated tips) rear dogbones=50650
-------TG10 shiny wheel axles F+R=2x 50823
-------2 piece 26mm front and 31mm rear wheels (rear wheels set for full offset)mesh type=Front 50548 rear 50549
-------short length chassis bathtub(black)=50637
-------short length centre prop shaft=?????
-------all plastic gearset with front gear diff and rear ball diff=50529
-------shiny diff cup joints for front gear and rear ball diff=?????
-------Touring bumper and E parts (battery clip)=50647 + short damper pistons


TA02SW
..wheelbase 236mm width 190mm front 200mm rear
-------silver gearboxes and touring shock towers=?????
-------Blue 4wd Touring/CC01/FWD front uprights (1510+1260 bearings per upright)=50555
-------Manta Ray front C hubs,rear uprights and inboard steering parts=50554
-------long span front wishbones=50649 + Ta01 rear short span wishbones=50646 rears only used
-------45mm matt all steel front=50643 + 39mm shiny (plastic coated tips) rear dogbones=50650
-------TGX front wheel axles=50604 + TG10 shiny rear wheel axles=50823
-------2 piece 26mm front and 31mm rear wheels (rear wheels set for full offset)mesh type=Front 50548 rear 50549
-------short length chassis bathtub(black)=50637
-------short length centre prop shaft=?????
-------all plastic gearset with front gear diff and rear ball diff=50529
-------shiny diff cup joints for front gear and rear ball diff=?????
-------Touring bumper and E parts (battery clip)=50647 + short damper pistons


TA02RS
---------dont have manual



Trophy Trucks
Ta01/02 mix (Toyota Pre-runner,Chevy S-10,Ford F-150)
..wheelbase 255mm width F+R 190mm
-------red gearboxes and touring shock towers front=50541 rear=50478
-------red "Hotshot" front uprights (2x1150 bearings per upright))=50648
-------Manta Ray front C hubs,rear uprights and inboard steering parts=50554 (rear upright reverse fitted)
-------Ta01 short span wishbones Front and (Rear reversed fitted,straight edge rearward)=50646
-------39mm Dogbones F+R (unsure which type???????)
-------TG10 shiny wheel axles F+R=2x 50823
-------26mm standard wheels F+R (CC01 tyres)
-------short length chassis bathtub=grey/black??????
-------short length centre prop shaft=?????
-------all plastic gearset with front gear diff and rear ball diff=50529
-------shiny diff cup joints for front gear and rear ball diff=?????
-------Rally bumper N parts=????? and longer pistons (Ford F-150 seems to have unique narrow Manta Ray style bumper=?????)


DF01 scale car
(Hummer,JGSDF light armoured vehicle,Porsche Cayenne Transsiberia,Mitsubishi Racing Lancer)
..wheelbase 280mm width F+R 200mm
-------black gearboxes and touring shock towers=?????
-------black "Hotshot/TL01B" front uprights (2x1150 bearings per upright)=?????
-------Manta Ray front C hubs,rear uprights and inboard steering parts=50554
-------Front long span 2 piece wishbones rear long span rearward swept 2 piece wishbones=?????
-------45mm matt all steel dogbones F+R=2x 50643
-------TG10 shiny wheel axles F+R=2x 50823
-------26mm standard wheels F+R (CC01 tyres)
-------regular length chassis bathtub=(black same as Manta Ray?????)
-------regular length centre prop shaft=?????
-------all plastic gear set with front gear diff and rear ball diff (Hummer) ..(others= gear diff F+R ,1 piece plastic spur and plastic idler gear?????)
-------shiny diff cup joints for front gear and rear ball diff (Hummer) ..(others= cup joint for gear diff F+R)?????
-------Hummer E parts=????? battery clip and narrow ribbed bumper + longer CC01 molded damper pistons
XB Hummer has clear covered 2 piece chassis=?????


DF01 off road buggy
(Manta Ray,Dirt Thrasher,Blazing Star)
..wheelbase 277mm width 250mm
-------black gearboxes and buggy shock towers=?????
-------red "Hotshot" front uprights (2x1150 bearings per upright)=50648
-------Manta Ray front C hubs,rear uprights and inboard steering parts=50554
-------Manta Ray 2 piece buggy arms F+R=?????
-------70mm shiny (plastic coated tips) dogbones F+R=?????
-------TG10 shiny wheel axles F+R=2x 50823
-------speed dish buggy wheels with wide stud tyre F+R (Blazing star 26mm touring wheels with CC01 tyres)
-------regular length chassis bathtub=?????
-------regular length centre prop shaft=?????
-------Manta Ray gearset (2 pc spur w/alloy counter and idler) gear diff F+R=?????
-------shiny diff cup joints for gear diff F+R=?????
-------Manta Ray E parts=????? wide bumper and buggy dampers F+R
XB Neo Top Force and Super Manta Ray have clear covered 2 piece chassis=?????


Terra Conqueror
..as per Blazing Star but with Top Force front uj's and rear dark hard drive shafts ,adjustable turnbuckle upper arms,black CVA dampers,DynaTech 01R motor ,TopForce EVO red wheels,hard diff cup joints for gear diffs F+R,stainless steel suspension shaft set.

Top Force
.. as per Terra Conqueror but with FRP double deck chassis and shock towers,Top Force J parts+steering parts(can be ballraced 4x850 bearings)=?????,no motor,white wheels,regular length hard steel centre prop shaft and joints,ball diffs F+R,hard cup joints for ball diffs F+R,hollow alloy gearbox gear shafts.


Top Force EVO
..as per Top Force but with Carbon double deck chassis and altered FRP shock towers,red wheels,torque splitter,2x pair short Hi-Cap alloy dampers.ballraced,ball diff uses aluminium pressure plates F+R.

other notes..useable alternatives..hop ups.

Ball diff cup joints can be upgraded to Top Force/Evo hard steel types=????? or 53217 hard cup joints (ball diff)
Gear diff cup joints can be upgraded to Thundershot series dark hard steel types=????? or 53218 hard cup joints (gear diff)
TA03 front C hubs can be used for all but have 1/2 the castor (outboard kick up) setting =4deg??????
TA03 aluminium steering ,front uprights,and steering set 53316-53325-53326 MAY be able to use with double deck type chassis?????
FWD FF01 uses blue TA02+W front uprights,plastic idler gear only,Manta Ray C parts and has TA02 bathtub.wishbones can fit TA02 but very bendy.
TA03 uses grey/black version of blue TA02+W front upright=?????,wheel axles and matt all steel dogbones.
TL01B uses Hummer Black front uprights=?????
Boomerang re-release uses seperate from sprue blue versions of the red Hotshot 1150x2 bearing uprights=50648


Avante series uses regular length hard steel centre prop shaft only.(requires prop joints)=?????
Mad Bison uses short length hard steel centre prop shaft only.(requires prop joints)=?????
Top Force damper bag has gearbox prop joints for either short or regular hard steel centre prop shafts.=?????

39mm dogbones can be upgraded to all steel dogbones from TL01/LA/RA,TA04,TB01=?????
39mm dogbones can be replaced with Skyline GTR uj's (RARE)=53115 or TL01 uj's=????? or TT01 uj's=53792
45mm dogbones can be replaced with TA02 uj's (RARE)=53172 or TA03 uj's (RARE)=53310 or aftermarket (GPM) steel CC01 uj's for use with 1510+1260 bearing front uprights only.
45mm dogbones can be replaced with TA02W uj's=53225 for use with "Hotshot" 1150x2 bearing front uprights and for rear of the Hummer DF01 scale vehicles.
70mm dogbones can be upgraded to Thundershot series and DF03 series dark hard dogbones=?????
70mm dogbones can be replaced with Thundershot uj's=????? or DF02 assembly uj's=?????

Hop Ups useable for all versions

53056 pin type wheel adapter replace plastic 12mm hex to die cast version.
53070 Manta Ray ball diff set comes with 1 pair of hard cup joints but multi-piece thrust race
53071 Manta Ray torque splitter set
53072 Manta Ray diff ball and plate set
53073 Manta Ray ball bearing set (sealed type with alloy tubes)useable with 1150x2 bearing front uprights
53079 Manta Ray stainless steel prop shaft set (RARE) includes gearbox joints
53098 4WD stainless steel suspenion shaft set
53141 4WD lightweight king pin set (for Hotshot 1150x2 bearing front uprights)
53142 aluminium motor mount (RARE) Paragu200 is VERY good alternative
53143 4WD rally skid guard set (RARE)
53145 4WD touring and rally urethane bumper set (RARE)
53152 Short hard type prop shaft and gearbox joints (RARE)
53157 4WD lightweight king pin set (for use with 1510+1260 bearing front uprights)
53164 4WD hollow carbon gear shaft set
53166 4WD TA02 and FWD FF01 FRP chassis set (short chassis size) (RARE)
53167 4WD TA02 sealed ball bearing set with alloy gear shafts useable with 1510+1260 uprights (RARE)
53189 4WD touring and rally rear stabilizer set (TA02 design fitment) (RARE)
53193 4WD touring and rally FRP front shock tower set (RARE) aftermarket (GPM+HPI) available in carbon/frp/alloy
53194 4WD touring and rally FRP rear shock tower set after market (GPM+HPI) available in carbon/frp/alloy
53195 4WD TA02 and FWD FF01 carbon chassis plates (RARE) requires 53166..poss Top Force J parts etc as alternative?????
53200 4WD front one way set.requires a gear diff plastics minus the internal small die cast bevel gears.
53267 TA03 ball diff set comes with 1 pair of shiny cup joints but 1 piece 1060 thrust race
53217 hard cup joint for gear diff
53218 hard cup joint for ball diff
53219 aluminium pressure plate set for one ball diff (RARE)
53226 aluminium front C hub carrier 1 pair (RARE)
53601 low friction ball connectors x8pc

49232 0.6 module 19t fluorine coated hard anodised pinion
53509 0.6 module 20t fluorine coated hard anodised pinion
49473 0.6 module 22t fluorine coated hard anodised pinion
3505049 0.6 module 19t DF02 steel pinion (black)



feel free to suggest any additions/errors ..????? means required part number or unsure of info.

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 02:15 AM

This is a good resource too:

TA01/TA02/DF01 Chassis

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 02:56 AM

Pull out your measuring stick and check the wheebases again. touring cars are 257mm and the buggys are 277mm (20mm difference). The DF01/TA01 tub is 20mm longer than the TA02 tub.

Both the DF01 Hummer group and the DF01 buggy group are all DF01s.

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 10:54 AM

Pull out your measuring stick and check the wheebases again. touring cars are 257mm and the buggys are 277mm (20mm difference). The DF01/TA01 tub is 20mm longer than the TA02 tub.

Both the DF01 Hummer group and the DF01 buggy group are all DF01s.


my measuring stick is still safely in its cave. :) the sizes quoted are straight from the guide book and yes they dont even remain consistant? according to it all the ta01 and ta02 are 260mm the ta02w is 256mm but the 300zx is 258mm? go figure? i also kinda generilized the width's as most would want to know the width for fitting bodyshells,instead of Tamiya's "track" measurements.

this is what i was after tho,the most accurate specs in one place so please add and il edit the orig post with all the findings.

Hunter Zero,that comparison is great and the pics help out alot, what i wanted to acheive was a post that would be easy to find using the search function.Bluefoots guide is fantastic...if you know/remember where to look :) so its really helpful to include the link,cheers for that.

also any one confirm the buggy drive shaft legnth? im 99% sure it was 70mm

also i should be able to maybe group some parts in the descriptions with the part number to help if you want to hop up or build a chassis from parts.

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 11:25 AM

ok , any body know some thing that is about 245mm front axle centre to rear axle centre ? width around 190mm ?
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Posted 21 March 2011 - 01:37 PM

ok , any body know some thing that is about 245mm front axle centre to rear axle centre ? width around 190mm ?

closest i can see is an M04L its 240mm stock...fit TL01 arms F+R and you got 190mm wide...poss tinker with rear upright/wishbone and get your extra 5mm?

or poss have a look at using TL01 LA/RA (long arm/rally arm) wishbones on M04L.
the rear wishbone could be reversed to give extra wheelbase?
not 100% on wheelbase youll get but i know they fit ,the TL01 and M chassis have same mounting set up for arms.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:45 PM

Great thread back from the dead... :)

I'm a little confused reading this and trying to gauge what's needed for my TA02SW (Taisan Porsche). Perhaps somebody can clear it up for me?

TA02
..wheelbase 257mm width F+R 190mm
TA02W
..wheelbase 257mm width F+R 200mm
TA02SW
..wheelbase 236mm width 190mm front 200mm rear


So assuming the above is approximately correct... what UJ's would I use for the rear of my TA02SW? On face value they need to be >38mm (200>190) but the only TA02W UJ's I can find explicitly state they for the front. Am I missing something before I jump in? Does the front "W" hardware work on the rear as well or is there a different part number? I've never built one of these.

TIA.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:20 PM

Great thread back from the dead... :)

I'm a little confused reading this and trying to gauge what's needed for my TA02SW (Taisan Porsche). Perhaps somebody can clear it up for me?

So assuming the above is approximately correct... what UJ's would I use for the rear of my TA02SW? On face value they need to be >38mm (200>190) but the only TA02W UJ's I can find explicitly state they for the front. Am I missing something before I jump in? Does the front "W" hardware work on the rear as well or is there a different part number? I've never built one of these.

TIA.


I'm very sure that the 200mm rear width is made up by using the 2 piece wheel sets (26mm front and 30mm rear) and the rear wheel is arranged for the larger rear offset option.

TA02W uses TA01 front knuckle (red) with a TA02 lower arm and the longer TA01 Uni Shaft (2x 1150 bearings).

TA02SW uses TA02 front knuckle (blue) with a TA02 lower arm and a regular TA02 Uni Shaft (big inner bearing and 1260 outer bearing). The extra track width on the TA02SW is made up with the wheel set.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:43 PM

I'm very sure that the 200mm rear width is made up by using the 2 piece wheel sets (26mm front and 30mm rear) and the rear wheel is arranged for the larger rear offset option.

TA02W uses TA01 front knuckle (red) with a TA02 lower arm and the longer TA01 Uni Shaft (2x 1150 bearings).

TA02SW uses TA02 front knuckle (blue) with a TA02 lower arm and a regular TA02 Uni Shaft (big inner bearing and 1260 outer bearing). The extra track width on the TA02SW is made up with the wheel set.


Thank you sir that's very helpful (as usual coming from you Mark) and makes for a standard 4x4 setup for me, cheers.
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Posted 22 September 2012 - 10:23 AM

My Terror Conquror was built from new.

Came with Ball diffs F & R.

Hollow gear box shafts & Top Force hinge pins.

Sorry don't know part nu's.

Very good Topic.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 07:53 AM

Hi

Does anynody knows if there are existing a front universals shaft for TA02 knuckle which is shorter than the original Tamiya (43mm). I made a full alloy conversion of my TA02 but know the front universal shafts from Tamiya are too long. I could manage to fit an alloy TA01 knuckle and use a rear universal shaft which is shorter (39mm) and has other bearings.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:23 PM

Hi

Does anynody knows if there are existing a front universals shaft for TA02 knuckle which is shorter than the original Tamiya (43mm). I made a full alloy conversion of my TA02 but know the front universal shafts from Tamiya are too long. I could manage to fit an alloy TA01 knuckle and use a rear universal shaft which is shorter (39mm) and has other bearings.


Sounds like a combination of TA01 lower arm and TA02 steering knuckle. This would make the TA02 shaft too long to fit.

My guess is a mix of 3Racing or Yeah Racing and other brand alloy where they don't seem to recognise a difference between a TA01 and a TA02, and their TA02 upgrade sets are really TA01 parts. Yeah Racing lower arm and GPM steering knuckle perhaps?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:29 AM

Hi TA-Mark

Yes I have Yeah racing lower arms and GMP knuckles. Now I ordered the universal shaft from Yeah RACING (CC001-015BK). This one is assembly one and I will try to use shorter shafts (39 mm) from a TA04 universal shaft (53506). I hope that works. What do you think about that.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:37 AM

Hi TA-Mark

Yes I have Yeah racing lower arms and GMP knuckles. Now I ordered the universal shaft from Yeah RACING (CC001-015BK). This one is assembly one and I will try to use shorter shafts (39 mm) from a TA04 universal shaft. I hope that works. What do you think about that.


By the way: How to avoid too much axial clearance between the step screws and the front knuckle. When I Tighten the step screw you can move the knuckle up and down too much in my opinion. Do you use 850 bearings (ball, metal or plastic) for that? between the step screw and the knuckle (inside or outside).
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:19 AM

By the way: How to avoid too much axial clearance between the step screws and the front knuckle. When I Tighten the step screw you can move the knuckle up and down too much in my opinion. Do you use 850 bearings (ball, metal or plastic) for that? between the step screw and the knuckle (inside or outside).


Use a bearing and try and get some aluminium king pins to suit, they'll be a bit better. You can shim it further as required.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:19 AM

By the way: How to avoid too much axial clearance between the step screws and the front knuckle. When I Tighten the step screw you can move the knuckle up and down too much in my opinion. Do you use 850 bearings (ball, metal or plastic) for that? between the step screw and the knuckle (inside or outside).


You have the wrong kingpins for the c-hub and steering knuckle combination. Try using the Tamiya lightweight hollow kingpins #53157.

The combination of the TA01 lower arm and TA02 steering knuckle will make the front track narrower. This may also affect steering throw and steering geometries. This is why it's important to use all the parts from the same brand. Yeah Racing and 3 Racing only make TA01 parts, and mislabel that they are for TA02. I've emailed this point to them several times and only get stupid replies that make no sense.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:47 PM

I've emailed this point to them several times and only get stupid replies that make no sense.


Now you've made me curious about the replies.
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