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#1 mtbkym01

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:20 AM

Does the original Supershot have the chassis with the access hatch like the current re-re? Reason I ask is I've been trying to research it, and have discovered some obviously old (older than 2007 anyway) chassis top halves with the access hole? Cheers

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:25 AM

Does the original Supershot have the chassis with the access hatch like the current re-re? Reason I ask is I've been trying to research it, and have discovered some obviously old (older than 2007 anyway) chassis top halves with the access hole? Cheers


Mine doesn't and the manual doesn't show it.

The access hatch came in for the Hot Shot II as far as I know.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:34 AM

Mine doesn't and the manual doesn't show it.

The access hatch came in for the Hot Shot II as far as I know.

Probably clears it up then, orig hot & super no, hot 2 & re-re's yes.

Any other differences in the chassis'?

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:05 PM

recycle material codes

drivetrain use bigger dogbone balls, no wire hook driveshaft

rollcage has new strut under wing

lexan slotted holes need cutting

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:21 PM

Original Hot Shot and Super Shot don't have the access hatch on top of the chassis. The access hatch first appeareance is on the Hot Shot 2 chassis, then on the re-release models.
Also the bottom of the chassis is different. Newer one is larger to allows more rooms inside.

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Does the original Supershot have the chassis with the access hatch like the current re-re? Reason I ask is I've been trying to research it, and have discovered some obviously old (older than 2007 anyway) chassis top halves with the access hole? Cheers



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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:36 PM

Wow, my memory is going south as I remember my original Supershot having the access hatch.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 09:34 AM

it has been 25yrs+ :blink: and a lot had hatches DIY hacked in

... by kiddies who raced & had to change xtals fast
and couldn't afford to either buy an aftermarket Hotshot plate chassis set
or didn't bother going to a Boomerang for its opentopped tub

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 08:44 PM

I had the hatch in mine, but only after breaking a chassis after the Hotshot II came out. The II chassis was much more useful when actually running the car.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:26 AM

The original Hotshot/Supershot DID NOT have an access hatch. The chassis and mechanism box on the Hotshot and Supershot are identical, interchangeable if you like and differ completely to that of the Hotshot II. The Hotshot II chassis is different (as has been pointed out already) and had the access hatch plus the protruding receiver switch housing (as found on the original HS and SS chassis) was changed to run pretty much flat with the chassis. The mechanism box on the HS II is also different to that of the HS and SS.

The re issue HS/SS chassis is identical to the original HS2 chassis except for 'made in Japan' has been omitted (a sure fire way to tell an original HS2 chassis from a re issue HS/SS chassis). The mechanism box i am unsure of, i would need to check but from recollection, i think this is the same as the original HS2 mechanism box?

Regards the original and re issue HS/SS there are lots of differences, obvious ones and very subtle ones too. I could list them all if anyone is interested or PM me and i will tell you.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:24 AM

i have a original hotty and a re re top deck and bottom mech tray and a superhot . the re re bottom tray is the same as the original tray and every thing swaps over . my original hotty had a broke top deck when i bougt it and i orderd a new chassis kit and unlnowingly got a re re chassis , i then had to buy a bag of parts with the alloy cover . i ended up buying a ''new/old stock'' top deck from a ex hoppy shop .
as stated before , most parts are interchangable .. it just looks funny on the super with all the unused brackets and mounts hanging out in the breeze !
i bought a set of new decals for my super only to find that the '' SUPERSHOT '' decal has been changed to '' super HOTSOT '' plus a few sponsors decals hanve changed too , lucky i found a set of '' alternative '' decals to use ..
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:48 AM

drivetrain use bigger dogbone balls, no wire hook driveshaft


Original Super Shot had the same complex brass/steel hex ended prop shaft and prop joints as the Hot Shot, not the coathanger wire hook type.

The original Super Shot was identical to the original Hot Shot, except...

* Body set
* Technipower instead of RS540SD
* Dogbones where the thinner ones, short brown front, and long black rear.
* Underguard
* Full bearings
* HP suspension set (CVA shocks and shock mounts)
* Roof plate
* Speed control has more conventional resisitors/covers and white/green/yellow resistor wires
* Speed control mounts on a back plate and has a cable holder
* Gold plated wheels
* No front stablilizer
* Super Shot kit came with cut-down D and E parts without the extra damper parts from the Hot Shot
* 2nd metal antenna
* Deleted gearbox guard

The new Super Shot differs from the old one... It is basically has the same changes that the re-re Hot Shot had over the original, plus a few more changes to parts.

* Chassis upper access hatch
* A/B rollcage parts have extra support struts for rear wing
* Dogbone drive shafts and axles/joint shafts are same as Hot Shot re-release, and original rear axles are black, re-re are silver
* Prop shaft/prop joints are now dogbone type, same as Hot Shot re-release
* Large E clips in place of C circlips for gearbox joint shafts
* Gearbox parts have deeper recess for joint shaft bearings to accomodate larger E clips
* GT Tuned instead of Technipower
* Generic sponsor decals
* Window netting is different, and is held on with black zipties instead of enamel wire
* Rear shock tower is new thicker material instead of FRP
* Rear understay lower shock mount is four-piece part, original was (partially factory pre-assembled) 2 piece part
* TA02 style steering knuckles with hex headed ball connector for upright instead of the flat headed one
* Original front understay lower shock mounts were dark metal colour, re-re ones are black and "L" and "R" stampings different
* No tab to cut away on the lower front suspension arms
* Urethane bushings in gearbox joints and prop shaft
* Sponge tape in the battery compartment to hold the racing pack battery in, and the small aluminium battery post is missing
* Re-re includes plastic antenna and antenna holder option
* Re-re includes rubber cover and dust seal for receiver switch
* Unitized thrust bearings instead of thrust washers
* Screws to mount steering servo have integrated washers rather than separate washers
* Shorter screw pins have different screw head
* No rubber bag for motor
* OH&S stickers (Ooooh! Look out! Moving parts!!!)
* Re-re has no resistors on rollcage, not even dummy ones
* Re-re has the black gearbox guard from the re-re Hot Shot

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:45 AM

Hotshot II, Bigwig, Boomerang, Super Sabre, Thundershot, Terra Scorcher, Fire and Thunder Dragon all used the 'coat hanger wire' type prop shaft and respective prop joints. Seems Tamiya made too many of these :P
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:22 AM

The new Super Shot differs from the old one... It is basically has the same changes that the re-re Hot Shot had over the original, plus a few more changes to parts.

* Original had "L" and "R" stamped on front understay lower shock mounts and on front damper stays


The re-release parts have this feature too. The upper mounts are in fact identical to the originals, however the lowers are quite different as the L and R are stamped in a larger font and in a different place on the part. The colour is also different as the originals were a very dark brown but the re-re parts are jet black. The parts are also very slightly different in form as the edges are very sharp on the re-re whereas on the original they have a subtle roundness to them.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 02:12 AM

The re-release parts have this feature too. The upper mounts are in fact identical to the originals, however the lowers are quite different as the L and R are stamped in a larger font and in a different place on the part. The colour is also different as the originals were a very dark brown but the re-re parts are jet black. The parts are also very slightly different in form as the edges are very sharp on the re-re whereas on the original they have a subtle roundness to them.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 02:22 AM

That's a long list of differences. Thanks for compiling it.
I've actually just wandered back into TC to brush up on the status of Tamiya's ongoing "re-imaginings" of their own work, but fortunately I'm OK Supershot-wise in terms of having collected any gear I would have wanted.

But good luck to anybody aiming to restore a first edition of that car in 5-10 years from now when there are loads of hybrid vintage/rehash models around.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:05 AM

But good luck to anybody aiming to restore a first edition of that car in 5-10 years from now when there are loads of hybrid vintage/rehash models around.


Yeah, it's next to impossible now to find some of the original vintage parts. Glad I have a pair of complete original Super Shots.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:10 PM

But good luck to anybody aiming to restore a first edition of that car in 5-10 years from now when there are loads of hybrid vintage/rehash models around.

H.

I agree, how many people allready have a shiney new set of re-re gold rims on or ready for there Supershot?,(me for one)

in 5 years will the re-re rims be as rare as the originals? I've allready seen pricces creeping up.

Yeah, it's next to impossible now to find some of the original vintage parts. Glad I have a pair of complete original Super Shots.

- James

I'd have thought with the re-re prices for original cars & parts would have come down,

But the opposite seems to have happened for the Supershot, looks like I got mine just in time. :lol:

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 02:20 AM

in 5 years will the re-re rims be as rare as the originals? I've allready seen pricces creeping up.
I'd have thought with the re-re prices for original cars & parts would have come down,

But the opposite seems to have happened for the Supershot, looks like I got mine just in time. :)


The parts that are unique to the Super Shot were expensive (body set, wheels, underguard) because they were both rare, and there was a fair bit of demand for them. The demand is still there, so prices will still be at a premium, and there are enough changes to the Super Hot Shot that original parts eg decal sets will still be rare and expensive. JR-RC was selling parts for a reasonable price, but resellers seem to have got a hold of a fair chunk of these popular parts and marked them up, which is why the prices appear to be creeping up again.

If anything, re-releases tend to make finding original parts much more difficult.

The suspension parts for the Super Shot will continue to be expensive, because people will want to buy them to hop up their Hot Shots. That's why Super Shot pressed parts bags were so expensive.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 09:20 AM

The new Super Shot differs from the old one... It is basically has the same changes that the re-re Hot Shot had over the original, plus a few more changes to parts.

* Chassis upper access hatch
* A/B rollcage parts have extra support struts for rear wing
* Dogbone drive shafts and axles/joint shafts are same as Hot Shot re-release, and original rear axles are black, re-re are silver
* Prop shaft/prop joints are now dogbone type, same as Hot Shot re-release
* Large E clips in place of C circlips for gearbox joint shafts
* Gearbox parts have deeper recess for joint shaft bearings to accomodate larger E clips
* GT Tuned instead of Technipower
* Generic sponsor decals
* Window netting is different, and is held on with black zipties instead of enamel wire
* Rear shock tower is new thicker material instead of FRP
* Rear understay lower shock mount is four-piece part, original was (partially factory pre-assembled) 2 piece part
* TA02 style steering knuckles with hex headed ball connector for upright instead of the flat headed one
* Original front understay lower shock mounts were dark metal colour, re-re ones are black and "L" and "R" stampings different

* No tab to cut away on the lower front suspension arms
* Urethane bushings in gearbox joints and prop shaft
* Sponge tape in the battery compartment to hold the racing pack battery in, and the small aluminium battery post is missing
* Re-re includes plastic antenna and antenna holder option
* Re-re includes rubber cover and dust seal for receiver switch
* Unitized thrust bearings instead of thrust washers
* Screws to mount steering servo have integrated washers rather than separate washers
* Shorter screw pins have different screw head
* No rubber bag for motor
* OH&S stickers (Ooooh! Look out! Moving parts!!!)
* Re-re has no resistors on rollcage, not even dummy ones
* Re-re has the black gearbox guard from the re-re Hot Shot


Seemingly the bolded above is not true either. Just noticed these http://www.tamiyaclu...p...456&id=1675 in RA1028's trades.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:59 AM

Seemingly the bolded above is not true either. Just noticed these http://www.tamiyaclu...p...456&id=1675 in RA1028's trades.


Ah, but those arms were used in a number of models, and that spare part changed over time.

The Hot Shot, Super Shot and Boomerang all originally came with F parts with the tabs on the lower front arms. The Super Shot and Boomerang had an instruction to clip off that little triangle of plastic on the lower arm. My Super Shot came with F parts that had these tabs to cut off. My original Hot Shot has these tabs, but my reissue Hot Shot does not have them (obviously Tamiya weren't concerned about this little detail!).

By the time the Hot Shot 2 and Super Sabre were released, the mould for that part must have been changed to remove that small plastic triangle as these cars came with the updated part, and presumably all spares manufactured from this point were also made from this mould without the triangular tab. So that bagged spare part must date from Hot Shot 2 era or later. I'm not sure if this revised part ever made its way into any Super Shot or Boomerang kits, but I haven't seen a copy of the Super Shot instruction manual that has the revised arms in the parts section and doesn't mention the step to clip off the small triangles - but I could be wrong?

So strictly speaking, those arms without the tabs are incorrect for an original Hot Shot, Super Shot or Boomerang... :huh:

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:46 PM

Ah, but those arms were used in a number of models, and that spare part changed over time.

The Hot Shot, Super Shot and Boomerang all originally came with F parts with the tabs on the lower front arms. The Super Shot and Boomerang had an instruction to clip off that little triangle of plastic on the lower arm. My Super Shot came with F parts that had these tabs to cut off. My original Hot Shot has these tabs, but my reissue Hot Shot does not have them (obviously Tamiya weren't concerned about this little detail!).

By the time the Hot Shot 2 and Super Sabre were released, the mould for that part must have been changed to remove that small plastic triangle as these cars came with the updated part, and presumably all spares manufactured from this point were also made from this mould without the triangular tab. So that bagged spare part must date from Hot Shot 2 era or later. I'm not sure if this revised part ever made its way into any Super Shot or Boomerang kits, but I haven't seen a copy of the Super Shot instruction manual that has the revised arms in the parts section and doesn't mention the step to clip off the small triangles - but I could be wrong?

So strictly speaking, those arms without the tabs are incorrect for an original Hot Shot, Super Shot or Boomerang... :huh:

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Yes, this is the big question. Did they supply Hotshot, Supershot & Boomerang kits with Hotshot 2 front arms from 1987 onwards? Until we get a decisive answer we cannot say that the Super Hotshot's F parts are different from a late production Supershot's.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't bother to update the Supershot manual to illustrate the new moulding.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:18 PM

Yes, this is the big question. Did they supply Hotshot, Supershot & Boomerang kits with Hotshot 2 front arms from 1987 onwards? Until we get a decisive answer we cannot say that the Super Hotshot's F parts are different from a late production Supershot's.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't bother to update the Supershot manual to illustrate the new moulding.


To further muddy the waters, my re-re boomer came with little triangles on the arms complete with directions to snip them off in the instructions.

-Edit: or that might be the upper arms... I'll have to check when I get home...
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:15 PM

To further muddy the waters, my re-re boomer came with little triangles on the arms complete with directions to snip them off in the instructions.

-Edit: or that might be the upper arms... I'll have to check when I get home...


Nah, I just checked my re-re Boomer and the lower arms definitely have the triangles already removed. The manual does not mention anything about removing them yourself either BUT step 14 on page 8 does clearly show lower arms with the triangles still attached. Methinks they forgot to update that little piece of artrwork. :huh:

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:12 PM

Actually there IS a way to differentiate between vintage Hotshot 2 F parts and those from 2007. The 2007s now have a tab on the moulding sprue whereas the originals did not.

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The actual parts themselves though are identical, so they would have to be still on the sprue to know which era they came from.

Also confirms that RA1028's set are the real vintage deal.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 01:46 AM

Actually there IS a way to differentiate between vintage Hotshot 2 F parts and those from 2007. The 2007s now have a tab on the moulding sprue whereas the originals did not.

The actual parts themselves though are identical, so they would have to be still on the sprue to know which era they came from.

Also confirms that RA1028s set are the real vintage deal.


Nice one with the tab Andy, seems to be a dead cert of distinguishing them (providing they are still on the sprue as you mentioned).
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