Model: (Click to see more) 58441: Buggy Champ 2009
Status: Extra info
Date: 25-Oct-2014
Comments: 14
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October 2014: Time to dust this one off and do a little more work.

Despite getting as far as standing on it's own 4 (Pajero) wheels at last - albeit the fronts not actually turning as the freewheeling hubs had not arrived until recently - there was something not quite right with the stance of the buggy.

While I liked the idea of the raised side-sills (to potentially increase rigidity, provide a little more interior space, and so the rear suspension might attach to a suitable place on the cage), I felt ultimately the proportions didn't work, and the rear suspension compromised - so it was back to the drawing board and cereal packets again...

The mk.2 chassis is now completely flat, reducing the hight of the cage and streamlining the vehicle - it is after all meant to be a racing car ;o)

Despite effectively dropping the cage 10mm, the seats are now mounted directly to the floor, so are actually only about 4mm closer to the roof of the cage (they were on 6mm spacers originally to clear the tapered sides of the original chassis)... and either way, Willy's big 'ol head wasn't going to fit in there anyway unfortunately - not unless he was either really reclined or the cage was even higher... I guess someone else is going to have to drive this one after all...

I also was able to incorporate a full size [Acoms] steering servo, as I felt the Micro might have struggled with the weight of the car and the wheels under load, and ultimately burnt out?

I have still yet to finalise the rear suspension upper mounts - I really like the twin shock set up visually, but how to mount the 70mm shocks (the shortest ones RC4WD do) successfully to look both scale and work effectively has so far eluded me.

My best solution so far (see photos below) is to effectively mount a vertical panel in the recess of the rear subframe, that has tabs to hold a pair of rod-ends, that in turn locate the shocks one either side. I like this idea particularly, as although the 'tombstone' effectively blocks out any rearward vision (hey, this is a race car - who's looking in their mirror, right?!), it would also double as a useful place to mount the ESC and Receiver - particularly if the battery is located as a rear 'bulkhead' (see photos), as in turn all the wiring will stay close together and can be shortened to further reduce the visual impact of all the cables...*

*That said, I'm not sure from a truly 'scaler' point of view it is going to be possible to completely hide the fact this is an RC car - particularly as I have consciously chosen to incorporate a regular Ni-Cad stick-pack, rather than a tiny Li-Po - being a traditionalist and all that ;o)

However, the engineer in me has also come up to a far more radical and technically pleasing solution to the rear suspension - that is if I am prepared to compromise and mount the battery elsewhere when actually running - fortunately the pack sits perfectly in a vertical position between the seats like an over-height transmission tunnel/centre console - or alternatively across the front footwell - although that would negate the possibility of including a scale dash and steering wheel etc. - so possibly a compromise too far?

Inspired by the recent re-release of the Buggy Champ/Fighting Buggy - I am considering mounting just a pair of the shocks horizontally, but in front of the subframe and across the chassis plate behind the seats, rather than hanging out the back Buggy Champ style. The shocks would be actuated by a pair of cantilever arms, connected to a rod on each side that replaces the current brass bush in the wishbones.

However, while it will be fun to engineer (and reversible should I wish), ultimately I feel such a solution, while technically more rewarding, might compromise the overall 'scale' effect of this build?

Decisions decisions... I would appreciate your comments and suggestions of course!

1 Visually similar, but cage 10mm lower now 1 Pajero wheels and scale BFG tyres 1 Seats mounted to floor, only 4mm less headroom 1 Custom 2mm alloy chassis plate now flat 1 Hex wheels will be mounted using custom hubs 2 Full size steering servo for strength 1 Tower template to support rear shock upper mounts 1 Rod ends will mount to tabs, brace bar between 1 New, simpler chassis plate vs. Mk.1 folded version 1 Still plenty of work to be done before it runs!

If you liked those pictures, you should see these...
SRB Cage Racer - part 4

Comments

KEV THE REV

25-Oct-2014

That looks outstanding - a real mean machine and well thought out

Grastens

25-Oct-2014

Great project - I really like the custom front hubs! No suggestions from me other than to keep at it!

JennyMo

25-Oct-2014

Thanks guys! I've now been able to post a more detailed explanation (together with a few more photos) on the Forum thread - Photobucket was down earlier ;o)

RACECRAFTERS

26-Oct-2014

I like what you have done here JennyMo, 'just not too fond of the excessive rear overhang of the cage. Otherwise, it's visually ace!

SRB Bloke

26-Oct-2014

Decisions, decisions, decisions,
I going to take a look at the forum in a mo, but my head says no the FB style suspension but also 80mm shocks somehow fitted at the rear. They seem quite hidden the cage and maybe a bit bigger would help them stand out a bit nicer.

neobrunox

26-Oct-2014

Fantastic job on this project, respect ! Only one thing , the thread does not reach the nylon of the front wheel nuts, so do not forget it if you run it or you will loose your front wheels

JennyMo

26-Oct-2014

Thank you for your input everyone! @ Racecrafters - yes, the cage does look a bit long at the back at the moment - but that is mainly to allow space for a scale engine to be fitted... @ Neobrunox - don't worry, the front wheels are currently just being held in position as I've yet to drill the centres out so the nut does up on the bearing behind - there is a more detailed explanation in the build thread, but essentially once the thickness of the standard wheel centre is removed, the nyloc nut is perfect ;o)

Toykid

2-Nov-2014

Very cool Jenny, thanks for adding to the SRB Group SIG

whahooo

5-Nov-2015

Would love to see the model in Motion!

JennyMo

5-Nov-2015

Hi whahooo - yes, so would I to be honest! It's become my perpetual back-burner project it would seem - with other things always taking priority. I'm currently converting my ORV 'Scorcher' with an SRB front end (inspired by this build), and have to finish the body on my crawler - then it will be back to this one as a priority!

23-Feb-2018

Your buggy looks great. If you don't mind me asking, where did you get front hubs?

JennyMo

23-Feb-2018

Thank you (I trust you've see part 4 too!) - the hubs in the photos above were designed by me and 3D printed by a friend. They fit regular 12mm Hex wheels, but the wheels themselves do need to be modified slightly (centres drilled out) so that the wheel nut does up on the bearing. Alternatively, Locked-Up RC make some lovely billet aluminium hubs (rear 12mm hex drive and front freewheeling with 2x 1150 bearings), but you will need to use SLW pattern 6-bolt wheels - although there are a range of those from LURC and Vanquish for example. Hope that helps!

23-Feb-2018

Thank you for the follow up.

I was asking because I would love to put Clod Buster rims/tires on my Wild Willy II.

Cant wait to see this in action.

Take care.


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