i agree more with singapore on this 1, if your going to have an off-roader, use it 4 what its made 4. i think there is nothing better than stripping down and re-building the car after a day at the beach. mud has been mentioned by more than 1 person. i do like some of the ideas, the ski-jump seems really cool. also the water would only be 2-3 cm deep. did take note about the insurance and i have emailed some relevant parties. i am not against the brca in any way and think they do a great job. its just that if i want to create the best off-road track, i dont want people saying " you can only do this or must be a certain a width" etc. found land in sherwood forest, england. ( my former home ) think i,m going 4 it. please keep ideas coming.