maybe the dogfighter lol!! mate they are super collectable and are only going up in value! (not dime a dozzen like tamiya's) lets face it associated and yokomo won most of the world's back in the day not tamiya!!! ill buy an avante as a show piece/runner but it will never out perform a yokomo, just ask masami!!! as for associated they dominated rc before tamiya ever existed!! heard of the rc1,rc100 etc etc!! 1/10th is a new born compared to 1/8th that's where it all started.. so much more to the hobby then tamiya, im really laughing here. i bought my avante for $199.00 from toyworld because they couldnt give them away! they are so sexy and that's there appeal.