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But thats the point

@highflyer I was quite forthright with my comment. The bigger picture of my comment was apples to apples monetarily for what we as hobbyist shell out for kits and what we get qualitywise in return

Is there a difference between a 103 and a 103gt? I have built a 103 gt. Looks great. cant drive it anywhere. 540 silvercan just spins out.

SORRY

This is what i mean, I admit to the same realization. Tamiya started my enjoyment of this hobby. And i will forever be a fan, But carefully thinking before i buy and build. Its a slippery slope though. Obviousley thr detail of the bodies is unmatched and definatley a huge part of my attention. That being said, Im a buggy guy so, after building the schumacher buggy wise, its a different argument. Ill gladly build an awesome m chassis body any day. Probably need to move on to TT

I think that was one of the points i was trying to make. Not that one was better from a hobby standpoint, but that for very close money the quality of the kits is un matched out of the box. Of course there are extenuating circumstances

Ive taken a DN-01 and basically made it a 201, Granted without the chassis upgrades and mid motor upgrade. Thats what? 400 USD on top of a Tamiya USA site cost for the kit of $550?

@mud4fun ok so im tagging you because you are the last to respond. So to answer you first, no i have not ran the build yet. I am waiting on delivery of two trackstar 5000 kv ans 60 amp esc to be delivered. However i have placed a 3250 kv trackstar in to the schumacher. But, im just going to take a 60 amp esc from the incoming package and put it into the schumacher. Ive read all the comments. I think i was clear as far as just looking for a conversation about the differences of the builds. so what i grasps after letting this thread run without any comment is this: being neutral, It seems there are opinions that say there is no way to compare this build to Tamiya. Comments that say Tamiya is more focused on realism as opposed to up to date technology. As well as apples to oranges, apples to apples. Well, I have taken all these responses in. All have been considered and digested. So, I do agree as far as the efforts taken by tamiya to produce a kit that has incredible detail and real world connectivity. The bodies though should not be the benchmark. I enjoy the realism of all the m bodies, the paris dakkar realism of the buggies. I do. But the comments referring to apples and apples bothers me based on the cost factor of our hobby. I paid 340 US dollars for this Schumacher build, Just like Tamiya i needed to provide an esc and motor as well as pinion. We all upgrade our builds. We do. Whether it be bearings, it be alloy, blue bling, motors, esc, wheels, tires, shocks, bearings, or custom adds. those " needed upgrades" cost money. Whether or not Its needed to run the kit doesnt matter. We up grade the kits and by doing so increase the cost of the kit. I was at LHS yesterday. A frog was $220. Now im fine with nostalgia, I have a frog, hornet, grasshopper and blackfoot. Its not an argument of what we are willing to pay for. But lets go recent. VQS, $300 USD. I completly understand the want. However we complain and are troubled by the lack of parts or the "need " to hop up. Im not in anyway trying to put down the kits i have and still do love. Im just saying, builing this kit out of the box, with the quality and simplicity was an eye opener. I was all in on tamiya, I will always be a tamiya buyer and loyal hobbyist. However I know now i wont spend on Tamiya when i know im going to drop another $200 on top of the kit. If I am going to expand my Tamiya collection it will be on Tamiyas i dont have. As well as the enjoyment of doing the bodies, the details. But im not happy saying that a lexan body is worth an extra $150 dollars. Nor am i willing to continue to buy chassis that i cant get parts for. I went to the Schumacher site and looked up the car i built and EVERY part is availible. Perhaps my observations are to late to the party. I mean that I will always love the realism of tamiya, the fun of the build. but i find as i personally grow within the hobby that i do concern mysel more with quality and what i need to do after or during the build to make the kit as i want it. Its completely unnecessary to install $250 dollars of blue bling on my m06, but i did. Why? Because thats what Tamiya kits lend themselves to. I am NOT complaining. Im still just saying that for the money spent, Tamiya could do a whole lot more.

300 US

i was just making a point of the incredible differece between the Schumacher kit i just built and many Tamiya kits i have built @Jonathon Gillham

simple answer, and someting i have had experiance with. we hobbiest hold onto things. when we look at a piece of whatever we see value. But, that value is not real. its in our heads. i wont say put it all in the trash but i will say be honest with yourself and deem what is a read value vs si=omething you see as value but will never use.

@DeadMeat666 what do u mean? You are comparing an onroad to buggy?

love it but perhaps theres a limit.

This Schumacher is just so different.

I also have an amazing wife and three chidren 12-15years. Money is prioritized as needed and spent as necessary. But that being said, spending on extravagance that cant be supported is a thing we should all be wary of. 1:1 cars are as addicting as RC. WE spend and spend on something that satisfies us but isnt a needed thing. Prioritizing where our fun money goes is a slippery slope. That little extra we pick up could make a negative impact. We all need to make sure our priorities are in check.

Preface: I love Tamiya, have 20 complete kits all running and all ran. From RERE super shot to M series to modern buggies, Higher end and entry level. I have been a Tamiya hobbyist since 1985. Now i will admit my long love for Tamiya has probably put blinders on my eyes as to the options and the advancements within the RC community. Im still trying to get a 201 even though i have 3 dn-01s, a db-01rrr, db-02, 2 top force and so on. I have no reason to bash the brand that has kept me happy over the last 30 years, nor am i trying to. I say this to limit the comments that will create a negative connotation to my post. I havent truly understood the differences between Tamiya and the modern kit until now.. My amazing daughter(12 years old) batted her eyes and got grandpa to buy me a Schumacher Cougar KD for the holiday. LOVE HER. Anyway, I was really impressed with the packaging upon opening the box, the organized system, the pre cut body and wing. The alloy parts, the carbon fiber parts, the alloy sub body. The step by step parts bags, the incredibly clear instructions, the quality of the feel of the build. its heavy and solid and just a totally different feel from tamiya. Im a buggy guy so i suppose that Im in a way saying this all from that perspective. I mean i really loved doing my m chassis's, i enjoyed doing my RERE kits frog, supershot, hornet, grasshopper, brat, blackfoot and TF. Im certainly not saying that Tamiya is bad but i have to acknowledge that as a kit, the schumacher is amazing. Im not sure where i can have a reasonable comparison between the schumacher build i just did and many many Tamiya builds i have done. Granted i havent gone to customization, or 3d printing or significant chassis and body adjustments. Some of the work here on the site is absolutely amazing. Perhaps someday i will get there. Members here are incedible with what they can do. Im focusing more on the box kit build and my immediate recognition of something is way way different. The weight, the carbon, the alloy, the solid feel of the chassis. I am well aware we can all "upgrade"our kits. But out of the box....... Im quite impressed. The Tamiya argument of part support, and to some, overpriced reissued that we all want but cant justify spending the coin for a plastic kit without manufacturer support, this schumacher build was far beyond any stock build ive done. I AM NOT LOOKING TO ARGUE WITH ANYONE. I AM ONLY CONTRIBUTING MY THOUGHTS AFTER BUILDING THIS KIT

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@El Gecko h,mmm seems you have taken some liberties with my post

Well, Ill throw my personal opinion. HAHA !. TRF 201 with all upgrade options 2. TRF 501/502/503/511 3. DB01 RRR 4. Orig willy 5. PARTS SUPPORT

what blackfoot are u restoring?

obviously not complete but..... Dark Impact and Frog

I have a few cars i am going to list for sale. But, would trade with no problem. Hit me on the DM @slimleeroy

I have a 103GT with a silver can and its a nightmare to control. I cant imagine going 5.5. Just a comment.

im fairly sure my 12 year old daughter has batted her eyes and has my dad getting me a KD for the holiday. So im looking at this KR. Is the KD wheel base the +8 or whatever number ive been reading about? @t3garett

@t3garett do you have both? Im interested in your thoughts id you would indulge me. Thanks man, Shawn