Hoarding multiple examples of the same new in box car...

[M 800STD]

If that's what you want to do, so be it.

If by your actions you drive up costs for others, well that's not good.

If you think that this is a good way of making money, there are better methods.

If you moan because of the re-re having an effect on your kit prices, deal with it as this happens in all kinds of markets.

[Blista]

4 hours ago, Snakehands said:

There are plenty of things I can do but I don't because I consider them to be selfish. 

For sure.  Following your own morality is part of free choice.  Everyone has different limits or degrees of it.

It becomes a question of where the limits are and can you account for everyone else's individual circumstances.  Having multiple of a kit someone always wanted might seem greedy to others, but maybe that person has a difficult life otherwise and that one thing gives them one small area of their life where they are quite happy.  Weigh the value of that person's happiness against a buyer who just bought the kit, spends a weekend building it, stores it away and forgets they even have it.

[Killajb]

[Alwb68]

Not that I want to buy multiple kits, but every time I see those type of pictures, with piles of the same kit, I just think how much space have you got in your house !!!!

At the end of the day some of us just want to try and buy the one kit, then there’s the kids who can afford to buy 6 of them. 
 

Personally I’m not interested in keeping something NIB, I think I’d rather sell it. All the kits I own will eventually get built, that’s the joy of this hobby for me.

Yes I do get gutted when I don’t manage to get a model on a limited run, but that’s because I haven’t got the cash and that’s just the way it is. All that means is that my choices are models I really want and are more considered. And I’m happy with that.

[Nikko85]

Getting two so you don't feel bad opening one, I get it.

Buying then flipping at x3 the price straight away, I can't see how that's different from a ticket tout really. Or buying up huge amounts of limited items - but I guess that's capitalism.

I wonder if Tamiya would make some money selling empty boxes as "special collectors items". I mean they are never getting built, are they? It does always seem odd to me, that the most value is in something never used/made but after a while this means it will never get used, as no one will want to ruin the value, so it just means you pay a lot of money for the unopened box - why waste the plastic actually filling it? 

 

[moffman]

31 minutes ago, Alwb68 said:

Not that I want to buy multiple kits, but every time I see those type of pictures, with piles of the same kit, I just think how much space have you got in your house !!!!

At the end of the day some of us just want to try and buy the one kit, then there’s the kids who can afford to buy 6 of them. 
 

Personally I’m not interested in keeping something NIB, I think I’d rather sell it. All the kits I own will eventually get built, that’s the joy of this hobby for me.

Yes I do get gutted when I don’t manage to get a model on a limited run, but that’s because I haven’t got the cash and that’s just the way it is. All that means is that my choices are models I really want and are more considered. And I’m happy with that.

Your absolutely on the same level as me I have limited space so the rc I buy are always just one of chassis and carefully chosen! (although avante I have two one is the black edition) and I never keep them unbuilt I can't see the point in a box full of bits no matter how much it supposedly devalues them? I did once try to not build a kit it was the blitzer beetle metallic special but it didn't last long! And financially if I can afford a kit at the time its released then brilliant but if I am unable to then I never chew myself up about it......that's just the way it is🤷‍♂️ 

[junkmunki]

On 12/12/2021 at 8:17 PM, Snakehands said:

Some interesting view but  old men owning multiple NIB models is ruining the hobby. Every hoarded box is one less box in the hands of an excited kid who represents the next generation. Hoarding ain't collecting. 

Nice rant there. Can you please explain what collecting is then?

By its very nature, collecting as a hobby means you will end up with multiple items.

I have approx 100 vintage rc kits, either new built, restored, or new in box. Apart from where i have built the F1 stuff in the team colours, i.e, both drivers, i only have one of each.

Does that make me a hoarder, or somebody who enjoys displaying and enjoying my things?

If you dont like the way the hobby works, or it upsets you that other people do enjoy it, i would suggest you find something else to do, instead of moaning about it.

J

[JeffSpicoli]

The eBay pirates ruin everything.

I just don't participate.   I went through this with the VANS Syndicate Special Ops/NAVY SEAL shoes -  Once I learned that the eBay pirates get dibs on the shoes before they even go on the shelves I just said screw it.

The brands don't care.   The brand's thought process is, the hypebeasts and pirates make the demand higher, and their brand profile "higher" - IMO it makes me think LESS of the brand, not more.

If you're intentionally providing low stock, you're screwing the fan/customers who really love the product.    The eBay pirates aren't into it for the collecting or the brand, they're in it to cash in.

When these scenarios come up, I just look for something else to satiate or just say "I own enough ****" and go on vacation.

[JeffSpicoli]

On 12/12/2021 at 3:17 PM, Snakehands said:

Some interesting view but  old men owning multiple NIB models is ruining the hobby. Every hoarded box is one less box in the hands of an excited kid who represents the next generation. Hoarding ain't collecting. 

100% correct.   They see these NIB 1981 kits going for $1200, $1500, I've seen some eBayers asking for $5000 for a kit, and that's what they want to do in a few years.  Good grief, get a life already, but some Bitcoin.    Haha.

[JeffSpicoli]

You should have seen me when I saw that Subaru Brat on the shelf at RC Outlet in Jacksonville 3 years ago.   I ran right to the ATM and took out $200 and bought that sumbitch so I could build it and enjoy it.    Ever since I saw Manhattan Project as a kid, I wanted that kit.

[rich_f]

43 minutes ago, JeffSpicoli said:

100% correct.   They see these NIB 1981 kits going for $1200, $1500, I've seen some eBayers asking for $5000 for a kit, and that's what they want to do in a few years.  Good grief, get a life already, but some Bitcoin.    Haha.

Firstly, you cannot possibly know what's going on in the heads of people who collect multiples of things. Just because the only reason you can think of to explain why someone would have multiples is to be able to sell them later at inflated prices doesn't necessarily mean that's what other people are thinking.

Second, you have to understand that people's ideas of fun might be different to yours - for some people, collecting might be their thing, so telling them to 'get a life' falls on deaf ears - in other words, they already have a life - it's collecting things and they are living it, and it's just different to what you consider to be enjoyable. 

People just need to be more accepting of the fact that everyone is different, and people's reasons for doing things are different, and people's ideas of fun are different, and just because one person "can't understand" why another would do something doesn't mean that the reasons they are doing what they are doing are in any way similar to any reason you (or anyone) could think of. 

19 hours ago, Blista said:

It becomes a question of where the limits are and can you account for everyone else's individual circumstances.  Having multiple of a kit someone always wanted might seem greedy to others, but maybe that person has a difficult life otherwise and that one thing gives them one small area of their life where they are quite happy.  Weigh the value of that person's happiness against a buyer who just bought the kit, spends a weekend building it, stores it away and forgets they even have it.

This. It reminds me of that guy on YouTube who was surprised when his limited edition 45th anniversary 934 kit arrived. Imagine being so uninterested that you forget that you even ordered it in the first place.

[simalarion]

39 minutes ago, JeffSpicoli said:

You should have seen me when I saw that Subaru Brat on the shelf at RC Outlet in Jacksonville 3 years ago.   I ran right to the ATM and took out $200 and bought that sumbitch so I could build it and enjoy it.    Ever since I saw Manhattan Project as a kid, I wanted that kit.

I think i spent 2 weeks as a 12 year old boy deciding if i should go for Subaru Brat or Black Foot, i went for Black Foot.

Also wanted Grasshopper (always liked the look of it), Hornet, Frog. But at the end it stood between B-F and Subaru Brat

[JeffSpicoli]

19 minutes ago, simalarion said:

I think i spent 2 weeks as a 12 year old boy deciding if i should go for Subaru Brat or Black Foot, i went for Black Foot.

Also wanted Grasshopper (always liked the look of it), Hornet, Frog. But at the end it stood between B-F and Subaru Brat

I had a Blackfoot super fun to drive minus changing those drive shafts all the time.   HA.

[alvinlwh]

1 hour ago, rich_f said:

People just need to be more accepting of the fact that everyone is different, and people's reasons for doing things are different, and people's ideas of fun are different, and just because one person "can't understand" why another would do something doesn't mean that the reasons they are doing what they are doing are in any way similar to any reason you (or anyone) could think of. 

Actually that is how the world is like today, unfortunately. If you are not a vegan/tree hugger/BLM/Insulate Britain/pro/anti-Trump, you are wrong and they will keep shouting in your face to let you know how "wrong" you are. 

[simalarion]

1 hour ago, alvinlwh said:

Actually that is how the world is like today, unfortunately. If you are not a vegan/tree hugger/BLM/Insulate Britain/pro/anti-Trump, you are wrong and they will keep shouting in your face to let you know how "wrong" you are. 

@alvinlwh - Not sure where you going with this but Trump is not exactly up there with Accepting other ppl as they are, he is probably anti all the things you listed there. I think ppl in general accept that «you» are non off these things as long as «you» do not shout at them first that they are wrong and want to take away their rights. I am non off these things you listed and no one is shoting at me

Make Tamiya Great again!

[alvinlwh]

14 minutes ago, simalarion said:

@alvinlwh - Not sure where you going with this but Trump is not exactly up there with Accepting other ppl as they are, he is probably anti all the things you listed there. I think ppl in general accept that «you» are non off these things as long as «you» do not shout at them first that they are wrong and want to take away their rights. I am non off these things you listed and no one is shoting at me

Make Tamiya Great again!

Just to cover the bases, I said "pro/anti-Trump" didn't I? And in reality, both sides were indeed shouting at each other (when he was in power). 

Obviously I cannot cover all situations for all countries, not sure how the climate protest are like in the Scandinavian countries, but over here in Britain, we get ER, GP, IB and some Swedish teenager shouting at us, for example. 

[simalarion]

You missed my point, but i do not want to drag politics in on this forum.But Accept goes both ways and extreme groups will always shout at each other. And as far tree huggers and vegan goes i do not see they hurting any one, they did never steal my elk Burger.

Back to topic. Are you called a Collector if you buy up batches off stuff you know is limited so you can sell them for a lot more later. Is the Collector not the one that would buy from him even if the price is far to high?. 

[NWarty]

On 12/12/2021 at 9:08 AM, markbt73 said:

Speaking of disrespect... there is an (in)famous photo somehwere in the showrooms (from long before the re-re) of a tower of stacked 3-speed trucks, mostly Bruisers, but some Hiluxes and Blazers as well, casually and carelessly stacked up on a table. Probably 10-12 trucks in all. Any one of them would be a prized possession to most collectors, and to see them treated with such disregard really upset me.

Ah yes, "that guy". Oh I remember him and how he taunted everyone else in the thread when he was called out for the ridiculous hoarding.

[markbt73]

Here's another thought: how many people here ever buy anything RC related assuming that they're going to sell it? I mean, occasionally, but for the most part, we just wants it, it is our precious, and money is just a means of getting our grubby mitts on it. And we'd never dream of letting it go... until a new precious comes along and we grudgingly accept that something has to go to make space/money/bandwidth for something else.

The very idea of commoditizing these little bits of plastic in colorful cardboard boxes is an anathema to us. And when somebody else comes along and treats them like tulip bulbs or Beanie Babies or real estate, we recoil in horror. Because we don't care how much they're "worth," we just want them. They're special to us for what they are and what they represent, not for how much money they can fetch.

And that, right there, is how you define a "collector."

[rich_f]

28 minutes ago, simalarion said:

Are you called a Collector if you buy up batches off stuff you know is limited so you can sell them for a lot more later. Is the Collector not the one that would buy from him even if the price is far to high?. 

If that person's sole purpose for buying was to resell, then no, they aren't a collector, they are a dealer, an intermediary. 

But how can you know that everyone who buys multiples does it for the sole purpose of reselling? There are probably many reasons why someone would buy lots of the same thing, and doing so in order to resell is just one of those reasons, and unless you are that person, you can't know what those other reasons are. 

A person who buys lots because they get enjoyment out of having lots (for whatever reason - and maybe they don't even know the reason themselves) is indeed a collector. 

[NWarty]

26 minutes ago, NWarty said:

h yes, "that guy". Oh I remember him and how he taunted everyone else in the thread when he was called out for the ridiculous hoarding.

 

Found the pic, This is the original thread:

 

[simalarion]

auch!, watch the paint job! and those poor dsmpers, i cant watch this ..,

[markbt73]

Yep, that picture still makes me irrationally angry, and I actually have my own Bruiser now.

[speedy_w_beans]

Reading through this whole thread, I think Dirty Harry had a good thought on opinions... 

[JeffSpicoli]

my only point was if you're hoarding to hoard, I have nothing in common with you in any hobby.

The OP was talking about hoarders, not collectors.  To me there's a difference.

Some people just greedily buy up the supplies and we all know, in the end, they won't ever put them to use.  They'll end up at some estate sale in 20 years.   

I don't have a problem with whatever choices people make I'm not stupid enough to believe my comment on a forum will change them.

They have their opinion and I have mine and everyone can coexist.  

I agree with the earlier point that a boxed up model stashed in a closet for some future profit or just to hoard is useless when it could be making some kid happy.

I'll say it again b/c people always think if you say one thing you're blanket arguing against a category of people - hoarding is lame, collecting is cool.