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I don’t mind my GT5 considering how much it and the receivers cost. But then I’ve not tried anything fancier (yet) so don’t have much to compare it to other than a bunch of low end Tx units.

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I'm quietly hoping Tamico has a suitable chassis for this challenge on one of their December deals. Maybe a TT-02 of some slightly-better-than-vanilla flavour. Reckon with Bernie's gentle approach to regulation ref the parts bin I wouldn't have too much difficulty then budget-wise. Their TT-02 SR might challenge even Bernienomics at current price, but might slip in if they knocked a few quid off. 

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So the FS-A3 is well and truly dead, but what is more concerning is that the Carson ESC is not powering a known good Rx but powering on. I suspect that the Rx had taken down the BEC when it shorted out.

So I had to replace both the ESC and the Rx. The only free Rx I have on had is one with gyro, so in it go, temporarily. Now it is sealed in a MST Rx box. All my other cars will be suspended until I can waterproof their Rx.

It is really fun on ice with a gyro though.

 

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TA-02 Lancia 037 on Tamico for €149 (+ VAT & duty & postage). Hmm now could that be brought in under budget? It is a thing of beauty and a rally icon. I have tyres and remaining electronics in the parts bin, but there'd be nearly no budget left, although Bernienomics can get delivery down to a <£5 allocation. However ultimately I don't think I will go for this, simply because hard body. Too fragile for me I think and the spirit of this challenge is a genuine runner. But I will do a bit more mulling over in the next 23 hours. Maybe change my mind. Persuade me? 

They've also got the TT-02 SR for €160 (no body), and that's not a special December deal. If they knocked a decent chunk off that on a one day deal I think I'd be straight in, transplant my Escort shell onto it, no hop ups except see what I can find to raise it up a little. I've long been TT-02 curious for its versatility. 

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1 hour ago, BuggyDad said:

TA-02 Lancia 037 on Tamico for €149 (+ VAT & duty & postage). Hmm now could that be brought in under budget?

Amazon used to sell the Opel at £131 but has gone up to £151 now. This includes an ESC, but is the TBLE.

1 hour ago, BuggyDad said:

simply because hard body. Too fragile for me I think and the spirit of this challenge is a genuine runner.

L&L sells a PC shell for £33. If you can sell the Opel shell, you could have enough left for the bare essentials (without cheating too much).

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8 hours ago, BuggyDad said:

TA-02 Lancia 037 on Tamico for €149

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8 hours ago, BuggyDad said:

TT-02 SR for €160

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I like your Tamico more than mine :lol:

Or just a case of Bernienomics?

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37 minutes ago, Tamiyastef said:

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I like your Tamico more than mine :lol:

Or just a case of Bernienomics?

Shipping to the UK they price exc VAT, then there's duty (is that 5%?), plus about €20 shipping (and plus a £12 fee I think). So unfortunately for me your Tamico is actually better than mine! So on reflection it's not an amazing deal - even if I combined this with loads of other stuff for shipping and the customs fee it would stand me about £166 for the kit, which Fusion do for £170 with the TC discount, and I wouldn't go away from them just to save a fiver. So as gorgeous as it is (is there a finer Tamiya body?) I don't think it's for this. 

A clarification though - we include receiver but not transmitter in the budget? 

On top of kit I've got the following in the parts bin:

Torque Tuned motor, TBLE ESC

Used fastrax wheels and tyres and escort body from my XV-01. 

XV-01 CVAs which will enter the parts bin when I fit the long dampers I have.

So a Bernienomics clarification - do they all go in for nothing?

So a great thing with the TT-02 SR is I'd use everything in the kit plus the above and a body I have and I'd be there, almost no rubbish parts going unused and a car that performs well and can be used and abused. 

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3 hours ago, BuggyDad said:

A clarification though - we include receiver but not transmitter in the budget? 

I include what goes into the car. Some may have a different accounting method. The only things I may not add to my total is things like maybe some screws/shafts, grease, Dean's connector or soldering. Saying that one has a Rx in the spares and then not adding to the total just seems wrong. I might as well say I built a whole VX from my spares box.

End of the day, my credit card statement will reflect the truth, and this challenge is, for me, to build within a tight budget, not to one up someone else.

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@Cuiken 

Dear Bernie

Considering that inflation is running at 10%+ now, even pension will increase by 10.1% next year, will you consider upping the budget a bit?

Regards

Your forever fan 🙂

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12 minutes ago, alvinlwh said:

I include what goes into the car. Some may have a different accounting method. The only things I may not add to my total is things like maybe some screws/shafts, grease, Dean's connector or soldering. Saying that one has a Rx in the spares and then not adding to the total just seems wrong. I might as well say I built a whole VX from my spares box.

End of the day, my credit card statement will reflect the truth, and this challenge is, for me, to build within a tight budget, not to one up someone else.

There are maybe categories of "spares bin" parts:

Silver cans and TBLEs that we have hanging around from kits - easily justified to include for free? 

Used parts like an old shell or shocks - same? Dunno. 

Generic stuff like receivers and servos that we've already bought because it made sense to buy a few but we didn't acquire as a side effect of another kit - in the spirit of the game, should probably price them into the budget? 

 

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19 minutes ago, BuggyDad said:

There are maybe categories of "spares bin" parts:

Silver cans and TBLEs that we have hanging around from kits - easily justified to include for free? 

Used parts like an old shell or shocks - same? Dunno. 

Generic stuff like receivers and servos that we've already bought because it made sense to buy a few but we didn't acquire as a side effect of another kit - in the spirit of the game, should probably price them into the budget? 

 

Since this is more of a challenge to oneself rather than some leaderboard thing, I treat it as a challenge to my credit card. I so often spent something like 150% over the cost of the box price on a car on hopups, needed or not. I even once built an entire car from hopups and the entire it became 'spare' (why does this sound so much like a book that is to be released?).

Regarding TBLEs, I hated those things so much I usually remove them for a £10 savings when I buy from FH (becoming a £11 savings with TC discount), and buy a Carson 1060 from JK for about £15. There is a risk that I removed and buy the same thing for £5 more but I just don't want the TBLEs.

Now, the way I do it, if it comes in the kit, but needs to be replaced like tyres or body shell, but will/can be used elsewhere, I do not add to the total. For example, I do not add the replacement tyres and body for the Opel build as I already got plans to buy a HPI or something without wheels and body shell, so will need them anyway. a net zero exercise if you will.

However, pulling an ESC and/or servo from another car, no, as it will result in the other car being a non runner. If pre purchased like you said, are not spares, coz I can also build a whole VX from 'spares' then?

Off topic here... about having silver cans as spares, I actually bought silver cans with money before as I used up all my spares melting them as I experimented with gear ratios. However with most kits having some kind of motor anyway, I will not worry much about it. Could be a problem with one of those R kits though.

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3 hours ago, BuggyDad said:

Used parts like an old shell or shocks - same? Dunno. 

This is how I handle it. I took all parts which were new into account even if they came from the stash. Used parts like oil shocks or an old ESC which I've once bought with an used car don't.

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Just had a thought, will the massive bumper of a TA-02S fit on a regular TA-02? I suspect it will but it is past 2am here now so time to go to bed. Just thought I will throw the question out there in case anyone knows before I start digging out PDF manuals. The bumper will help with grass running by helping the car glide over the surface I think.

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So my TB-05 pro with the Impreza WRC 07 shell is pretty much done now. 
 

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I could take this out for its maiden run now but I think I’ll probably try and spend a little time reinforcing the shell with some fibreglass duct tape before taking it out. 
 

Further down the line I’m probably going to wire up some LEDs to go into the light buckets and will try and design and print some parts to go on the chassis to keep the worst of the filth off the electronics. 
 

After I’ve run it like this for a bit I’m probably going to have a go at modifying the suspension (and chassis) to see if I can increase the travel and ground clearance a bit to improve its off road performance. 
 

Quite happy with it for now though. Using @Cuiken maths (so taking into account money I got from selling the Tx/Rx, Servo and ESC/Motor combo that came with the second hand kit I bought) I figure this one comes in at just under £190 as it currently stands. 

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Okay. Order of business:

  1. Apologies for absence. A combination of work and a minor disagreement with creditors required Bernie to lie low for a while. Everything is resolved now and it turns out I love living in this basement at an undisclosed address.
  2. Holy crap, there have been some awesome builds while I was away. Here are a few mentions. Sorry if I missed anyone.
    • @Juhunio, That TA03F is stunning. How're you getting on with it? I'm still loving mine but I'm sparing it the bad weather so it's been 'resting' indoors for a while now.
    • @Pylon80, Loving the Audi. I can't comprehend how you got that interior to look so good.
    • @alvinlwh, Your TA02 looks stunning. I've been unsing my 'non spec' TA02 Calibre a lot (it came in well under £200 but has a brushless motor). I've made a load of mods to the front suspension to improve handling which I'll post at some point later on. I can't belive how well the TA02 can handle with a bit of work. I do have to agree though that the Calbre body is not ideal for Rally, I may do a Lancia Delta for it instead at some point. Yours is delightfully 'just inside budget' too. Qudos for getting some much run time in with it despite the weather too. I must take a car out in the snow today myself.
    • @Aerobert, I'd never considered the BRZ body but it looks great. 
    • @Superluminal, That Corolla takes me back to my teens when I so desperately wanted that very car.
    • @BigGinge, Lancia in yellow looks superb. I may copy that scheme for a new body for my TA02. XV01 is such a great chassis. Special mention though to your TB-05!! How'd you bag that bargain. In my view that is some serious Tamiya Exotica and the end result looks incredible. Chassis itself is beautiful let alone the shell. Have you run the TB-05 yet? How does it compare to the XV01?
    • @BuggyDad, Welcome on board. I'm really interested in seeing a TT02 SR build. If budget rules become an inconvenince please 'talk to Bernie'. I'm sure we can figure the mathematics out somehow ;) 

For my part, the XV01 (primary entry) is still going strong and I've really not cut it any slack at all. I've run it on road, in snow and in some horrid wet mud and it keeps on going. Handling is great (long damper eyes on super mini CVA) and the silver can power is just ideal off road. Not a very exotic choice but such a greta car.

Like I say, the TA03F is a proper favourite but I'm sparing it the bad weather so it's not been out for a while.

'Out of class' TA02 has become a go-to basher when racing my mate's brushless collection on smoother surfaces. That said, with recent mods to suspension (as I say, I'll post details later) I reckon it could be a fantastic off road car (Calibre body aside).

Anyway, I'm going to stick my head out of the basement for a couple of minutes to replenish my vitamin D reserves.

Yours, Bernie.

p.s. If anyone asks, please say you last saw me in Alaska and that I'll definitely have their money next week.

 

 

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53 minutes ago, Cuiken said:

Special mention though to your TB-05!! How'd you bag that bargain.

Just luck on eBay. I was scrolling through after I’d started on the XV01 with no intention of buying anything else and saw someone selling the chassis with all the electronics for £160. I put in an offer at £140 and they went for it. Things were in a slightly sad state when they arrived but a full rebuild seems to have got back to feeling pretty much like new. It does mean I’ve spent quite a bit more overall than I meant to on this but I can now get out racing with the lad as I’ve got two cars out of it. 

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Im not sure how the TB05 compares to the XV01 just yet as the weather hasn’t been up to much since I finished the XV01. The one trip the TB05 has done so far was fairly successful. It seemed to handle reasonably well, though I think more ground clearance and suspension travel would be good for the forest trails we took it on. Going to try a fairly gravely car park for its next outing when things aren’t so wet/freezing. The chassis is really, really, good at picking up debris and dirt so if I can I’d like to try and design/print some cover sections for it so it doesn’t need to be kept for nicer/dryer conditions. 

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10 minutes ago, BigGinge said:

Just luck on eBay. I was scrolling through after I’d started on the XV01 with no intention of buying anything else and saw someone selling the chassis with all the electronics for £160. I put in an offer at £140 and they went for it. Things were in a slightly sad state when they arrived but a full rebuild seems to have got back to feeling pretty much like new. It does mean I’ve spent quite a bit more overall than I meant to on this but I can now get out racing with the lad as I’ve got two cars out of it. 

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Im not sure how the TB05 compares to the XV01 just yet as the weather hasn’t been up to much since I finished the XV01. The one trip the TB05 has done so far was fairly successful. It seemed to handle reasonably well, though I think more ground clearance and suspension travel would be good for the forest trails we took it on. Going to try a fairly gravely car park for its next outing when things aren’t so wet/freezing. The chassis is really, really, good at picking up debris and dirt so if I can I’d like to try and design/print some cover sections for it so it doesn’t need to be kept for nicer/dryer conditions. 

Total eBay win there! Even came with a castle ESC. I'd love a TB chassis but I've never spotted one within budget. I'll keep looking.

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Some update on my TA-02(Ra).

Replaced the fried RX with a coated one. It is a snow day today so may take it out for a test. Also replaced the ESC as the original one had its BEC taken down by the RX, still powers on but no feed out.

Replaced the coat hanger drive shaft with hardened ones as recommended. £10.30, so puts my total at over budget now unfortunately.

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Just drove my modified TA02 in the snow. What a great car. Huge drifts and lots of control. I only managed 5 minutes before my hands went numb but it was great fun.

Has anyone ever considered the TT02 Type SR for Rally or is that really a road only version of the chassis? Tamico have a reasonable price at the moment.

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Ooh, just thought. Could I turn my TA-05 V2 ebay purchase into a rally car?  Would it be feasible or a good idea? It has the IFS type suspension as it is.

I've not touched it since it arrived as i'm still working on the DF03.

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In theory, I think that's a great idea. As usual, only concern is that running off road would mean gravel etc getting into the belt/pulley. It might end up being a decent tarmac stage rally car though?

TBF, my mate has been running his TA-04 carefully of road without any disasters.

It's a great chasis for sure.

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