Sgt.Speirs 1253 Posted October 31, 2022 Hello, to separate the TRF201 transmission conversion and the restoration part of my Hilux Monster Racer I started this new thread regarding my TRF201 transmission conversion for the Nissan King Cab, Hilux Monster Racer and/or (Super) Astute / Madcap*. So the transmission section will not be mixed anymore with the restoration section. Here I can also offer a better and clear support for interested customers and can answer questions regarding the gearbox, parts list, manual or assembly. For pictures from the installed gearbox in a Hilux Monster Racer, please visit my build log/thread: Sgt.Speirs‘ Nissan King Cab - TRF201 Transmission Conversion & Restoration Parts list for this modification: 1x 3D printed gearbox parts from Shapeways (latest rev. 1.5): >> King Cab TRF201 Gear Box v1.5 - Complete << 1x 54471 TA06 Steel Gear Diff. Unit Rear 1x 22031 TD4/TD2 Slipper Clutch Set 1x 53587 Shim 5x0.2mm (1 needed) 1x 13454709 Idler Shaft (alternatively: 54344) 1x 54262 Idler Gear (alternatively: 51416) 1x 19114075 Spacer N15 (N-Parts tree) 1x 19804411 Screw 3x36mm (4 needed) 1x 13450284 Aluminum motor plate (alternatively: 54225 /13454715) 1x 50586 Washer (2 needed) 1x 19805746 Cap Screw 3x8mm (2 needed) 1x 19808013 Cap Screw 3x6mm (2 needed) 1x 19805990 Screw 3x5mm (2 needed) 1x 19004273 Gear Cover 1x 19805957 Screw 3x10mm 1x 19805763 Screw 3x10mm 1x 19805765 Screw 3x8mm 1x 53577 Urethane bushing (red) 1x 53588 Ø10 mm Shim Set (optional parts for shimmimg the gear diff) 1x 42115 Ball bearings 1510 (2 needed) 2x 42113 Ball bearings 1050 (3 needed) 1x 42113 Ball bearings 840 (1 needed) Manual for the assembly: Gearbox Assembly - Manual_Rev_1.3 (see attached file) Gearbox Assembly - Manual_v1.3.pdf Pictures from the first Shapeways order: The gearbox ready assembled: The first customer's complete gearbox package: And finally the video of the assembly according the manual: 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidsen 106 Posted November 8, 2022 Congratulation for great design and the perfect instructions. is PA12 the material you recommend to get from Shapeways. Now you have me where you want me to be ;-) , my bank account is already crying big tears. Will place an order for the parts soon, only thing I'm not able to find in Germany/Austria is the N-Parts tree and the Gear Cover. Should be not too complicate to design and print on an FDM Printer but would be easier with the genuine parts. Any Idea where to source those? many thanks 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sgt.Speirs 1253 Posted November 8, 2022 Hi davidsen, thanks for you interest Both offered material variants - MJF plastic and SLS versatile plastic - are PA12. I have had good experience with this material so far. This material is also used by other users here for their products, such as Collin ("Dog with a Wrench - Wrenchdog") or ThunderDragonCy ("CTE RC"). And aluminum would be very expensive Regarding the not available N-Parts tree (spacer), I think about to add this part to the current package or to provide the dimensions to print this part as FMD part. Regarding the gear cover (and the not available plug from the N-Parts tree), I will be offering the gear cover with plug on Shapeways soon. The design will be simular to the gear cover of the re-release Super Astute (>> see first picture of this post <<). Best regards, Thomas 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidsen 106 Posted November 9, 2022 Thanks, good to know about the materials. I'm not so familiar with Shapeways... usually I print on my own on a small Prusa but this is a special truck so it deserves good quality parts. Ordered everything needed yesterday and will let you know how everything goes together. br David 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Jon 684 Posted December 12, 2022 I don’t know how I missed this! I can’t find gears for my Super Astute, and have been dying to drive it. Also, the planetary diff wears way too fast, and I have tons of stuff with TA-06 diffs, so this will be a huge upgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidsen 106 Posted December 17, 2022 So I got everything together now and started to assemble. I have a really bad axial play on the diff inside the printed housing as I can move the diff 1mm left and right. The 1510 bearings are 4mm in size as they shoud be. Did you also experience this and what did you do to shim it? Or can I just ignore it? Many thanks! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderDragonCy 7878 Posted December 17, 2022 @davidsen It is designed with some space to shim the diff so tolerances never result in it being too tight. You need some 53588 shims to sort it out, or some other 10mm shims. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidsen 106 Posted December 17, 2022 Thanks for the quick answer. Need to look I have those around or order them if I can't find them. Maybe you can add them to the BOM in the manual? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bavee 1032 Posted January 5, 2023 Bit the bullet and ordered all the parts from the parts list at Tamico and rcMart and the "King Cab TRF201 Gear Box - Complete" at Shapeways. Really excited about this, but parts will take some time to arrive. Thank you @Sgt.Speirs and @ThunderDragonCy! 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sgt.Speirs 1253 Posted January 5, 2023 @davidsen Sorry for my late response, I didn‘t check this thread the last weeks IMO 1mm axial play is too much and should be reduced by using shims. @ThunderDragonCy mentioned the correct shims to adjust the axial play. The manual of the TRF201 shows the position of shims (BA16) for the ball diff. In my previous built gearboxes I haven’t seen so much axial play as you described. On 12/17/2022 at 9:24 PM, davidsen said: Thanks for the quick answer. Need to look I have those around or order them if I can't find them. Maybe you can add them to the BOM in the manual? For sure...I will add these shims as optional parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sgt.Speirs 1253 Posted January 8, 2023 Gearbox Assembly - Manual updated in Post 1 to Rev. 1.2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidsen 106 Posted February 6, 2023 Thanks again for designing and sharing this beautiful solution. Now my Kingcab is better than new and waiting for dry weather for a testride. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matisse 1581 Posted February 6, 2023 Thoughts on this working for the madcap? should be fine right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sgt.Speirs 1253 Posted February 6, 2023 @davidsen: Thanks for your words and sharing your pictures. It‘s great to see this gearbox in an other King Cab. And I‘m excited about your feedback from your first testride Do you use a Super Stock BZ motor? @matisse: I‘m sure that this gearbox also works for the MadCap due to the Madcap and King Cab are sharing the same gearbox and my gearbox also uses the same/original mounting points. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidsen 106 Posted February 7, 2023 Yes, I have used a Super Stock BZ as this one has been arround. . Did not want to go brushless on this old lady but still have some power. Hope I got the gearing right but after a testride we know more. Maybe I will replace with something older or a GT Tuned but for now it should work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bavee 1032 Posted February 8, 2023 @Sgt.Speirs, what pinion gear would you recommend for a Monster Racer when using a silver can? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sgt.Speirs 1253 Posted February 8, 2023 @bavee: In the Monster Racer manual is for the "stock motor" (silver can) a gear ratio of 1:10.87 specified/proposed. With the table on page 9 out of the TRF201 manual, you will get a similar gear ratio of 1:10.27 with a 20T pinion gear (in combination with a 79T spur gear). But be careful, the silver can respectively Sports Tuned motor do not fit with the blue anodized motor plate. For these motors you have to use the silver motor plate (TA-13450284). 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bavee 1032 Posted February 8, 2023 Thank you @Sgt.Speirs! I have ordered the silver motor plate so that should be ok. Will check the slipper clutch set when I get home. I think it has a 20T pinio gear included. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sgt.Speirs 1253 Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, bavee said: Will check the slipper clutch set when I get home. I think it has a 20T pinio gear included. The slipper clutch package (TA-22031) includes no pinion gear. What you may be mean is the counter gear BA23 which is installed inside the gearbox on the slipper shaft. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bavee 1032 Posted February 8, 2023 Ahhh... I have a lot to learn. Thanks again. *Puts pinion in basket... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bavee 1032 Posted February 9, 2023 Another question for @Sgt.Speirs or @ThunderDragonCy. For the M3 thread holes, should I best use a normal thread cutting tap (I have a hand tap set including taper, second and bottom tap) or Tamiya's thread forming tap? Thanks in advance! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sgt.Speirs 1253 Posted February 9, 2023 @bavee: In all my Tamiya model where I have to cut threads, I used a normal thread cutting tap (the 3 piece set). But I don't use them all according to the correct order (as required for a thread in metal), I just use the middle one. In Germany is this the tap with two rings. Then the thread is pre-cut/predefined, but the screw itself is not too loose in the thread. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderDragonCy 7878 Posted February 9, 2023 43 minutes ago, bavee said: Another question for @Sgt.Speirs or @ThunderDragonCy. For the M3 thread holes, should I best use a normal thread cutting tap (I have a hand tap set including taper, second and bottom tap) or Tamiya's thread forming tap? Thanks in advance! I have used both, and they both work, but I find the Tamiya tool is a little kinder and results in longer lasting threads. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bavee 1032 Posted February 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, Sgt.Speirs said: @bavee: In all my Tamiya model where I have to cut threads, I used a normal thread cutting tap (the 3 piece set). But I don't use them all according to the correct order (as required for a thread in metal), I just use the middle one. In Germany is this the tap with two rings. Then the thread is pre-cut/predefined, but the screw itself is not too loose in the thread. Thanks! To be precise, I was not referring to a Tamiya model but to the M3 thread holes in the gearbox parts from Shapeways. 1 minute ago, ThunderDragonCy said: I have used both, and they both work, but I find the Tamiya tool is a little kinder and results in longer lasting threads. That totally makes sense in my opinion. With the Tamiya thread forming tool you don't remove any material, you just form a thread in the material. With a normal thread cutting tap you physically cut a thread and remove material, but with the middle one of the set you don't remove a lot of material. So I think both should work out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bavee 1032 Posted February 9, 2023 Oh, and all depends on the used drill of course. Drilling at 2.5 should be ok for a normal thread cutting tap. In metal at least... (coming form my experience as a bike mechanic in my younger years ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites