Saito2 6033 Posted February 9 On 2/7/2023 at 12:43 PM, 87lc2 said: I don't even like watching the Monster Jam crap these days. Don't get me started, lol. Its junk like this that has cemented monster trucks as the "professional wrestling" of the motorsports world rather than legit competition. Its 100% the opposite of where I would have liked the sport to go and I fear it will never go back. The stink of freestyle will never wear off. I mean. its monster truck racing...wasn't there enough destruction naturally built into the sport without punching it up with purposely destroying equipment in freestyle "competitions"? Aside from the constant danger factor of piloting one of these behemoths, they used to actually crush cars as part of the race. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2181 Posted February 9 3 hours ago, Saito2 said: Don't get me started, lol. Its junk like this that has cemented monster trucks as the "professional wrestling" of the motorsports world rather than legit competition. Its 100% the opposite of where I would have liked the sport to go and I fear it will never go back. The stink of freestyle will never wear off. I mean. its monster truck racing...wasn't there enough destruction naturally built into the sport without punching it up with purposely destroying equipment in freestyle "competitions"? Aside from the constant danger factor of piloting one of these behemoths, they used to actually crush cars as part of the race. Thats a good point, recently I watched some monster truck streams and noticed how there was little real racing anymore, instead it was closer to 1:1 bash sessions, some jumps and a few wheelies. Are races too dangerous anymore? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87lc2 2575 Posted February 9 1 hour ago, Kowalski86 said: Thats a good point, recently I watched some monster truck streams and noticed how there was little real racing anymore, instead it was closer to 1:1 bash sessions, some jumps and a few wheelies. Are races too dangerous anymore? No, if anything races are much less dangerous. Problem is with society, they want to see the destruction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87lc2 2575 Posted February 9 5 hours ago, Saito2 said: Don't get me started, lol. Its junk like this that has cemented monster trucks as the "professional wrestling" of the motorsports world rather than legit competition. Its 100% the opposite of where I would have liked the sport to go and I fear it will never go back. The stink of freestyle will never wear off. I mean. its monster truck racing...wasn't there enough destruction naturally built into the sport without punching it up with purposely destroying equipment in freestyle "competitions"? Aside from the constant danger factor of piloting one of these behemoths, they used to actually crush cars as part of the race. I know we've talked about this before but couldnt agree more. My daughter is 2 1/2 now and likes my trucks and she'll even watch the old TNT/Penda reruns with me for as long as her attention span allows, but its sad that I won't ever be able to show her that stuff in person. I'm sure we'll go to Monster Jam at some point (better than nothing I guess...) but its just not the same. I really wish they took the racing direction with the sport, but guess there wasn't enough money in it. And yes, there was plenty of destruction in racing alone. As much as I hate the deliberate destruction of freestyle these days, seeing a Penda truck take a bad landing off the last set of cars at 60-70 mph and ripping the axle out from underneath the truck was actually kind of interesting (as long as the driver was OK of course). Don't even get me started on USA-1 in TNT Wrecks in the spirit of competition are OK in my book and always enjoyed seeing how they'd get the trucks back together for the next race, but deliberate destruction of these beautiful (and expensive) machines is just awful. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wun1jee 342 Posted February 9 I was on Reddit the other day and someone literally said "Tamiya cars are junk and badly engineered because they can't survive a 30-foot send" This was in the /rccars subredit where the most common posts are people breaking their XMaxxs and stuff by running them into curbs and then spending $1,000 more in aluminum parts to break the next hardest to replace part. But somehow that's better designed. People are dumb. I got over my need for stupid-fast RC cars years ago. If I want speed it's much easier to get with airplanes. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87lc2 2575 Posted February 9 4 minutes ago, wun1jee said: I was on Reddit the other day and someone literally said "Tamiya cars are junk and badly engineered because they can't survive a 30-foot send" This was in the /rccars subredit where the most common posts are people breaking their XMaxxs and stuff by running them into curbs and then spending $1,000 more in aluminum parts to break the next hardest to replace part. But somehow that's better designed. People are dumb. I got over my need for stupid-fast RC cars years ago. If I want speed it's much easier to get with airplanes. Not surprised, people are pretty dumb these days. Don't get me wrong I still like going fast, but there is a way to do it without being a moron about it. I've noticed overall the quality of person involved in the RC world has gone way downhill. I buy and sell a lot of RC stuff on FB, CL, etc. and in general these are not the type of people I want coming to my house so I'll either meet them somewhere in public or put it up on Ebay so I don't have to deal with the lowest common deonominator. This was reinforced recently when I helped my dad part ways with his life-long train collection, most of those guys are a pleasure to deal with and seems like a great community with great people. Too many morons involved with RC these days. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2181 Posted February 9 3 hours ago, wun1jee said: I was on Reddit the other day and someone literally said "Tamiya cars are junk and badly engineered because they can't survive a 30-foot send" This was in the /rccars subredit where the most common posts are people breaking their XMaxxs and stuff by running them into curbs and then spending $1,000 more in aluminum parts to break the next hardest to replace part. When the XRT came out people were already finding ways to break them, I guess people just like the attention? Or the illusion of progress? 3 hours ago, 87lc2 said: I've noticed overall the quality of person involved in the RC world has gone way downhill. I buy and sell a lot of RC stuff on FB, CL, etc. and in general these are not the type of people I want coming to my house so I'll either meet them somewhere in public or put it up on Ebay so I don't have to deal with the lowest common deonominator. This was reinforced recently when I helped my dad part ways with his life-long train collection, most of those guys are a pleasure to deal with and seems like a great community with great people. Too many morons involved with RC these days. I absolutely hear you there, I'm not one to gatekeep but I'm also not one that agrees that its always better to get more people into a hobby if it entails lowering the standards to the point of "Durr me just broke truck jumping cliff, me get mad!". If I ever really want to "send" a truck, I have a few cheap toys that I could just throw in the air. Then glue a soda can to the roof and brag about my upgrades. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saito2 6033 Posted February 9 I always meet C-List buyers in public. I've been lucky selling Tamiya items (when they sell, which is usually never, lol) as Tamiya buyers tend to be a good sort interested in the hobby end of things at this point. The one Traxxas vehicle I sold to a fellow who responded in grunts and single, monosyllable words. I'm not trying to stereotype as I'm sure there's some great Traxxas owners too, but that's just been my experience. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87lc2 2575 Posted February 9 Just now, Saito2 said: I always meet C-List buyers in public. I've been lucky selling Tamiya items (when they sell, which is usually never, lol) as Tamiya buyers tend to be a good sort interested in the hobby end of things at this point. The one Traxxas vehicle I sold to a fellow who responded in grunts and single, monosyllable words. I'm not trying to stereotype as I'm sure there's some great Traxxas owners too, but that's just been my experience. That is exactly the point I was trying to make and have seen the same. I recently broke up a new Clod kit for axles and some other parts and sold the brand new wheels/tires & body to a local guy through FB. Since I could see his profile let him come to the house and we ended up chatting for a while which led to him buying even more old Clod stuff. I certainly didn't mean to include you guys in that group, Tamiya people are always fun and easy to deal with I also recently broke up a few LMTs/SMTs and that's a different story. Geez, where so these people come from. I generally won't even respond if they don't bother to type a sentence so it helps weed out a lot, but even still...And no worries about stereotyping, they typically hold true due to actions by the people perpetuating them. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmiles 23 Posted February 9 most of my rc cars look new. i typically buy some kind of cover for the chassis, like a stick on plastic thing that can be removed. the bodies may have scratches from being flipped or whatever, but the bits are all in top shape. if something hits wrong and breaks, i replace it right away Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matisse 1569 Posted February 9 Is this the part where i say I find all the YouTube videos dull? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2181 Posted February 9 51 minutes ago, matisse said: Is this the part where i say I find all the YouTube videos dull? You should watch some of the RC racing events, skip all of the other stuff. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matisse 1569 Posted February 10 5 hours ago, Kowalski86 said: You should watch some of the RC racing events, skip all of the other stuff. Even then, raced for years but its just not the same watching it recorded as it is live, or actually racing 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablo68 995 Posted February 10 14 hours ago, wun1jee said: I was on Reddit the other day and someone literally said "Tamiya cars are junk and badly engineered because they can't survive a 30-foot send" This was in the /rccars subredit where the most common posts are people breaking their XMaxxs and stuff by running them into curbs and then spending $1,000 more in aluminum parts to break the next hardest to replace part. But somehow that's better designed. People are dumb. I got over my need for stupid-fast RC cars years ago. If I want speed it's much easier to get with airplanes. Most of my Tamiyas run whatever cheap esc and motor de jure that I can find. Usually run on NiMh, with even the molex connectors still on. I get plenty of speed and run time and generally don't break stuff. Ultra powerful esc/moto combo's and big bashing buggies/trucks are fun, but certainly not the be all and end all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablo68 995 Posted February 10 10 hours ago, Saito2 said: I always meet C-List buyers in public. I've been lucky selling Tamiya items (when they sell, which is usually never, lol) as Tamiya buyers tend to be a good sort interested in the hobby end of things at this point. The one Traxxas vehicle I sold to a fellow who responded in grunts and single, monosyllable words. I'm not trying to stereotype as I'm sure there's some great Traxxas owners too, but that's just been my experience. Tape on their knuckles? Asking for a friend (I have four Traxxas cars btw) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saito2 6033 Posted February 10 13 hours ago, Pablo68 said: Tape on their knuckles? Asking for a friend (I have four Traxxas cars btw) I have 3 Traxxas vehicles myself. I'm currently struggling to put together an Emaxx, semi-restored, which is tough using the Tamiya mindset on a Traxxas. The community I've spoken with can't seem to get their heads around me not wanting to pump the truck up to be some 60mph beast. I won't throw Traxxas owners under the bus however. I can only relate the interactions I've had here in the US. I've sold 10 times the amount of Tamiya compared to Traxxas and in my person experiences (only drawing from that), every encounter with a Tamiya buyer has been delightful. It would be short-sighted to assume every Traxxas buyer was like the one I met. One Traxxas seller I met was a completely normal father selling a like-new 2wd Stampede. His son did not feel the 12T 550 brushed powered Stampede was nearly fast enough, so dad was selling it to get him something brushless. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Gordon 47 Posted February 10 A lot of the members of this forum are far too worried about how other people enjoy their lives and hobbies. It's not for anyone to tell another how to enjoy their 'toys'. Most of the modern RTR trucks are marketed to these so called 'morons' who are apparently bringing the hobby down. The world has changed an awful lot since the 80's and 90's. If you look at the RC market in general its very different to what a lot of us grew up with. Ranty posts ain't going to change it and it just makes this place look like a backwards group of old stuck in the muds and it's not exactly welcoming to any cross over hobbyists who are tempted over by any of Tamiyas' most recent launches. I stay in my lane and enjoy what I get from the hobby. If someone else wants to smash a few grands worth of RC car by launching it 60ft in the air, who am I to judge? 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablo68 995 Posted February 10 23 minutes ago, John Gordon said: A lot of the members of this forum are far too worried about how other people enjoy their lives and hobbies. It's not for anyone to tell another how to enjoy their 'toys'. Most of the modern RTR trucks are marketed to these so called 'morons' who are apparently bringing the hobby down. The world has changed an awful lot since the 80's and 90's. If you look at the RC market in general its very different to what a lot of us grew up with. Ranty posts ain't going to change it and it just makes this place look like a backwards group of old stuck in the muds and it's not exactly welcoming to any cross over hobbyists who are tempted over by any of Tamiyas' most recent launches. I stay in my lane and enjoy what I get from the hobby. If someone else wants to smash a few grands worth of RC car by launching it 60ft in the air, who am I to judge? Ok, now be honest. You own a heap of Traxxas cars don't you..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Gordon 47 Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, Pablo68 said: Ok, now be honest. You own a heap of Traxxas cars don't you..... Haha, not a single one. I've only just got back into the hobby properly, more as a collector. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nel33 869 Posted February 10 LOL did you see battlebot or any of those robot fighting competitions? they build them to break other robots knowing they might get destroyed themselves. its alos therapuetic when you got RC troubles. you break a small plastic part on your RC and its out of commission. RC compared to battlebots is apples to oranges and your troubles seem minute in comparison. jokes aside i do see the fascination on how far you can push a design before it breaks. slowly (or immediately) pushing the limits does have its thrills but im not one to really want to push the limits to the point of breaking something. others are more cavalier about that. there is also that desired 4x flip that you want to try on a huge dirt ramp on a 4-6S powered RC car but you know its going to be a hit and miss quest to achieve. you know the flip likely wont happen on the first attempt and there will be consequences for the failures. my co-worker has faster RC cars and so does his friend. they are also more durable and love to take them to dirt or sand tracks. i only have 1 Traxxas and its durable enough for my needs. no need for insane jumps... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87lc2 2575 Posted February 10 1 minute ago, nel33 said: LOL did you see battlebot or any of those robot fighting competitions? they build them to break other robots knowing they might get destroyed themselves. its alos therapuetic when you got RC troubles. you break a small plastic part on your RC and its out of commission. RC compared to battlebots is apples to oranges and your troubles seem minute in comparison. jokes aside i do see the fascination on how far you can push a design before it breaks. slowly (or immediately) pushing the limits does have its thrills but im not one to really want to push the limits to the point of breaking something. others are more cavalier about that. there is also that desired 4x flip that you want to try on a huge dirt ramp on a 4-6S powered RC car but you know its going to be a hit and miss quest to achieve. you know the flip likely wont happen on the first attempt and there will be consequences for the failures. my co-worker has faster RC cars and so does his friend. they are also more durable and love to take them to dirt or sand tracks. i only have 1 Traxxas and its durable enough for my needs. no need for insane jumps... I will fully admit to thinking Battle Bots is awesome The only difference is that the entire point of their existence is to destroy & be destroyed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nel33 869 Posted February 10 11 minutes ago, 87lc2 said: I will fully admit to thinking Battle Bots is awesome The only difference is that the entire point of their existence is to destroy & be destroyed. oh yeah, one of the best competitions ever. you think RC is expensive, you'd be dead wrong. i dont think a RC car ever severed a drivers legs in an accident. the RC cars can be durable but you know they have limits. those 250lb robots live to test the limits of designs and that comes with risks on both sides. its the height of destruction thrill theme. im just happy to watch others put their robots on the line instead of mine being destroyed... it does tie into RC fascination also, before i got into RC i was into battlebots. i loved the designs and destruction, Son of Whyachi and Hydra are some of my favorites. i knew there was some sort of electronic wizardry going on inside the bodies of the robots in the past but didnt think much how they were powered or worked. now every time they show clips of bots in maintenance or repair, its fascinating as heck. you can identify parts and other design differences with those in-the-pits scenes. even seeing the damage caused to them is reason to infer what might have been hit/destroyed to take the bot out of the battle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87lc2 2575 Posted February 10 57 minutes ago, nel33 said: oh yeah, one of the best competitions ever. you think RC is expensive, you'd be dead wrong. i dont think a RC car ever severed a drivers legs in an accident. the RC cars can be durable but you know they have limits. those 250lb robots live to test the limits of designs and that comes with risks on both sides. its the height of destruction thrill theme. im just happy to watch others put their robots on the line instead of mine being destroyed... it does tie into RC fascination also, before i got into RC i was into battlebots. i loved the designs and destruction, Son of Whyachi and Hydra are some of my favorites. i knew there was some sort of electronic wizardry going on inside the bodies of the robots in the past but didnt think much how they were powered or worked. now every time they show clips of bots in maintenance or repair, its fascinating as heck. you can identify parts and other design differences with those in-the-pits scenes. even seeing the damage caused to them is reason to infer what might have been hit/destroyed to take the bot out of the battle. I don't really watch it a ton and don't know much about them, but I'd assume the only way they get that sort of power is through hydraulics right? If so pretty standard, if by another means then I'm impressed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nel33 869 Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, 87lc2 said: I don't really watch it a ton and don't know much about them, but I'd assume the only way they get that sort of power is through hydraulics right? If so pretty standard, if by another means then I'm impressed. they have all sorts of tech to put out that crazy power with electric brushless motors, likely LIPOs everywhere. high power ESCs. flippers have also changed, Bronco is pneumatic, Blip is flywheel and Hydra is hydraulic. Hydra is one of the first few to do hydraulic route. air is strong but you are limited to tank size, flywheel has its own issues if you dig deep and hydraulics can have their own gremlins. some have individual drive motors. it really runs the gamut on designs, extremely fascinating. drive belts and chains also power the weapons. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87lc2 2575 Posted February 10 Just now, nel33 said: they have all sorts of tech to put out that crazy power with electric brushless motors, likely LIPOs everywhere. high power ESCs. flippers have also changed, Bronco is pneumatic, Blip is flywheel and Hydra is hydraulic. Hydra is one of the first few to do hydraulic route. air is strong but you are limited to tank size, flywheel has its own issues if you dig deep and hydraulics can have their own gremlins. some have individual drive motors. it really runs the gamut on designs, extremely fascinating. drive belts and chains also power the weapons. I just assumed it was all hydraulic, pretty interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
