Kpowell911 1238 Posted August 4 5 hours ago, hamtaro said: Love the lancia. It looks downright mean and ready for business Come on? Really? I know this is an opinions thread but it looks like a cheap toy and nothing like the 1:1? Worst of both worlds? 10th Scale Rally Cars dont work in the real world. The HPI WR8 Flux is a perfect rally car, the Traxxas Rally isnt too bad but isnt as good value for money as the WR8. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2188 Posted August 4 6 hours ago, Grastens said: And that's why my favourite rally cars by Tamiya include: That was a big inspiration behind my Frog project, I liked Tamiyas early "drop a rally car onto a buggy chassis" attempt, and most other rally cars in the RC business took a similar approach, just with more scale looks. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grastens 2792 Posted August 4 12 minutes ago, Kpowell911 said: Come on? Really? I know this is an opinions thread but it looks like a cheap toy and nothing like the 1:1? Worst of both worlds? 10th Scale Rally Cars dont work in the real world. The dilemma, and then the reason for it. And that's why liking the old Lancia Rally is an unpopular opinion Me, I think it doesn't really resemble the 1:1, but it doesn't evoke a cheap toy, either. Even if it did, it IS a toy, and one where the expense of scale appearance was in the better interest of function. I also think it has something to gain from its cartoonish appearance. It reminds me of the Rally-X video game, and in the end, there is something fun about the ridiculous proportions. It was the 1980s, after all... Of course, the box art definitely plays a bit of deception, but there's clarification on my unpopular opinion Already, I am making plans to restore mine! @hamtaro that Subaru on the buggy chassis was the TL-01RA, number 49352 in catalogues. It seems to be a rarity, and in any case doesn't look like it inspired any others in the Tamiya lineup or its competitors'... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2188 Posted August 4 36 minutes ago, Grastens said: Me, I think it doesn't really resemble the 1:1, but it doesn't evoke a cheap toy, either. Even if it did, it IS a toy, and one where the expense of scale appearance was in the better interest of function. As long as it's fun (and doesn't require a zillian hop ups like touring cars), I don't mind a slight "toy" look to it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gebbly 547 Posted August 4 49 minutes ago, Kpowell911 said: it looks like a cheap toy and nothing like the 1:1? Its proportions being odd make me think of vehicles like the Bowler Wildcat and Dakar rally cars. I like it 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicadraus 5721 Posted August 4 10 hours ago, Kowalski86 said: After some recent experience driving a "proper", touring based rally car. I have a better appreciation for buggies, SCTs, what I consider "proper" off-roaders. Rally cars are fun to watch and great for pictures, youtube slow-mos, but they're very limited terrain-wise. And while I was foolish and didn't use a chassis cover, I'm not looking forward to possibly re-building my entire TT-02 because of one rally run. Have you driven an XV-01/02 or a PTG-2R on tarmac and rally designed off-road course? If not, then your opinion on rc rally cars might change once you try it. I've driven and raced in 2wd off-road buggies, 4wd/FF touring cars and rally cars. It's the rally that I had fun the most. On-road touring is serious racing. It's fun yet you have to give 100% concentration and sense of humor isn't appreciated on the driver's stands. It's all about precision driving. Buggies are fun off-road. But looks and feel odd running them on paved roads. But a rally car, can do both off and on-road, and I'm talking about proper rally chassis like the XV & PTG-2R kits and not on-road touring based rally cars such as the TT-02. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2188 Posted August 4 1 hour ago, Nicadraus said: Have you driven an XV-01/02 or a PTG-2R on tarmac and rally designed off-road course? If not, then your opinion on rc rally cars might change once you try it. Nope, but if given the chance I'd gladly try one out. I fully understand that they handle better than a TT-02 (probably better than an SRX), but both are about double the price for something that I can't use outside of baseball diamonds and parking lots. Its the capability and extra wear and tear thats the issue. I do plan on running the TT-02 more after I get a chassis cover, I don't plan on buying any hop-ups though, better to just save up for something better. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicadraus 5721 Posted August 4 11 minutes ago, Kowalski86 said: Nope, but if given the chance I'd gladly try one out. I fully understand that they handle better than a TT-02 (probably better than an SRX), but both are about double the price for something that I can't use outside of baseball diamonds and parking lots. Its the capability and extra wear and tear thats the issue. I do plan on running the TT-02 more after I get a chassis cover, I don't plan on buying any hop-ups though, better to just save up for something better. Actually, baseball diamond fields and parking lots are very nice grounds for a proper rally car but also beaches, low grassy areas and wet soil. Don't want to push you on getting one but I suggest you try it first. Seriously, it'll change your thoughts. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Honza 724 Posted August 4 On 8/4/2023 at 6:13 AM, Kowalski86 said: After some recent experience driving a "proper", touring based rally car. Tbf, TT-02 is as far from a proper rally car as TT-01D is from a drift car. 😁 A proper rally car really is more like a buggy that's crammed under an onroad shell (just not like the Lancia). Quite literally, there are many X-ray XB4-based rally cars. XV-02 is quite close to that, although with some typical Tamiya quirks... It would be cool if Tamiya made "Type Ra" - as an in-between type between TT-02 and more expensive XV-02. Better suspension, longer oil shocks and metal driveshafts would be all that's needed for greatly improved off-road ride.. Of course, a rally car will never be capable of driving on the 1/10 off-road track, that's not an intention. Rally track should be more like flat gravel/mixed surface tracks, with some small jumps. Or scale stages that are ran in Europe. Edit: found how a rally speced TT-02 could look like: https://tetsumo.exblog.jp/32312950/ 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2188 Posted August 4 1 hour ago, Nicadraus said: Actually, baseball diamond fields and parking lots are very nice grounds for a proper rally car but also beaches, low grassy areas and wet soil. Don't want to push you on getting one but I suggest you try it first. I wouldn't mind trying a good rally car, it's just all a matter of money. A brand new XV kit is almost an extra $100 over here. 56 minutes ago, Honza said: Tbf, TT-02 is as far from a proper rally car as TT-01D is from a drift car. 😁 A proper rally car really is more like a buggy that's crammed under an onroad shell (just not like the Lancia). So a TA02 then? It has metal driveshafts, basically a buggy chassis, its also a lot cheaper/easier to get my hands on one. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kpowell911 1238 Posted August 4 5 hours ago, Nicadraus said: Have you driven an XV-01/02 or a PTG-2R on tarmac and rally designed off-road course? If not, then your opinion on rc rally cars might change once you try it. I've driven and raced in 2wd off-road buggies, 4wd/FF touring cars and rally cars. It's the rally that I had fun the most. On-road touring is serious racing. It's fun yet you have to give 100% concentration and sense of humor isn't appreciated on the driver's stands. It's all about precision driving. Buggies are fun off-road. But looks and feel odd running them on paved roads. But a rally car, can do both off and on-road, and I'm talking about proper rally chassis like the XV & PTG-2R kits and not on-road touring based rally cars such as the TT-02. Just curious, have you tried a Traxxas Rally or a WR8? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beetlemankurt 591 Posted August 4 Whaddya mean a TT02 ain't a proper rally car ?....if suitability = fun, check out the pic below. Good fun being had here.... he he.... More seriously, yes the TT02 has it limitations as a rally car for sure, it fills with dust (without the newly offered dust cover) and stones in the steering mechanism are a pain, it really needs oil shocks in the kit..but, for the price, it's a great and pretty capable kit I've found. The ground clearance ain't bad, I've yet to break anything on it, and the bodies are very very nice. Driven within its limitations, and on suitable terrain, it's a tonne of fun and looks great while doing it. I'd buy another one in a heartbeat if they did a version of the WRC VW Polo....please Mr Tamiya... I suppose which type of rally car you prefer depends on what your intended use is and how hard the scale bug bit you, it bit Mr pretty hard..🤣 Cheers Kurt 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2188 Posted August 4 1 hour ago, Beetlemankurt said: .The ground clearance ain't bad, I've yet to break anything on it, and the bodies are very very nice. Nice shots, I'm really tempted to grab an Audi kit like that one sometime. I'm pretty sure that the TT02s ground clearance isn't far off an XV-01. Both aren't really setup for jumps or "non-scale" terrain. For anything that I'm going to beat on, it needs to be cheap and easy to fix. It doesn't need to have perfect handling, needless complication, nor be 100% scale accurate. Heck I'd be happy with that ORV Lancia! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicadraus 5721 Posted August 5 5 hours ago, Kpowell911 said: Just curious, have you tried a Traxxas Rally or a WR8? Not yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rinskie 289 Posted August 5 I did not realize liking the Frog Rally car was not popular. I am only guessing at the year but it would have been around 82-83 when I got my first exposure to RC cars. I was in the 5th grade and convinced a friend to "loan" me his Tamiya catalogue which he never got back. You know the one that had all the cool cars like the 12th scale Newmans Porsche and the Toyota Toms. Anyway, my all time favorite car in the entire catalogue was the Brat. I mean I lusted over that car and must have built it in my head an easy 400 times over. I would dream about racing it up and down my driveway with all sorts of color combinations but always ended up on wanting to paint it black. I thought the car looked just like the real one. I am sure even the diehard fans will admit the thing resembles the real one at best as the wheels and tires sticking absurdly out is...well 80's Tamiya. Not to mention the body and the chassis each have their own bumper. I couldn't afford it then and when I could, I outgrew my love for that chassis and never entertained the idea again. The Lanica is the exact same thing to me. It is goofy looking now but my 10-11 year old self would have thought it to be the sweetest slice of pie ever. And that brings me to my current problem. There are so many cars out there compounded over the 35-40 some odd years that all have some sort of appeal given that stage of my life. Not having the cash flow to buy them all means you have to choose one or a couple. Which is absurdly difficult. How do you pick the prettiest girl at the dance when you want to take them all home? I am starting to realize in the end it may never matter because these things are always better in your head than they are actually owning and driving. However I am starting to warm up to the idea about actually getting my Brat although an MIP diff and bearings would be added. Once thing is certain though, I wouldn't pain it black. Seems at least I outgrew "something". 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2188 Posted August 5 14 minutes ago, Rinskie said: However I am starting to warm up to the idea about actually getting my Brat although an MIP diff and bearings would be added. I wouldn't even worry about the MIP diff, I had to replace the diff gears on my Frog, but mine is about 30...maybe 40 years old? Ran on bushings and an MSC at that until I got it. Even the old hex drives were still good. My biggest annoyance was when I installed the re-re dogbones, they liked to pop out. Basically Tamiyas attempt to band-aid an old design by making it worse. I dropped a spare o-ring in each shock, and I have a 3D printed transmission brace on that a member here makes. It's mostly held up and it is surprisingly quick for something so old. It's probably the Tamiya that I've owned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rinskie 289 Posted August 5 I understand CVD's are available for it right? Would that totally eliminate the issue or would the they still pop out of the drive cups? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grastens 2792 Posted August 5 6 hours ago, Kpowell911 said: Just curious, have you tried a Traxxas Rally or a WR8? They're too capable for me. I was uninspired by them, but then modern WRC doesn't really do it for me, either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twaleta 134 Posted August 5 6 hours ago, Beetlemankurt said: Whaddya mean a TT02 ain't a proper rally car ?....if suitability = fun, check out the pic below. Good fun being had here.... he he.... More seriously, yes the TT02 has it limitations as a rally car for sure, it fills with dust (without the newly offered dust cover) and stones in the steering mechanism are a pain, it really needs oil shocks in the kit..but, for the price, it's a great and pretty capable kit I've found. The ground clearance ain't bad, I've yet to break anything on it, and the bodies are very very nice. Driven within its limitations, and on suitable terrain, it's a tonne of fun and looks great while doing it. I'd buy another one in a heartbeat if they did a version of the WRC VW Polo....please Mr Tamiya... I suppose which type of rally car you prefer depends on what your intended use is and how hard the scale bug bit you, it bit Mr pretty hard..🤣 Cheers Kurt Looks sick! thinking of restoring a tt02 into a rally car now 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2188 Posted August 5 39 minutes ago, Rinskie said: I understand CVD's are available for it right? Would that totally eliminate the issue or would the they still pop out of the drive cups? I'd run a tiny spacer or an extra o ring in the shocks, the CVDs are grossly overpriced. Handles better on tarmac with rear spacers too. Alternatively a pen (like a disposable BIC pen) spring in the wheel cup should help from what I've heard? I should read up on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simalarion 2151 Posted August 5 “More seriously, yes the TT02 has it limitations as a rally car for sure, it fills with dust (without the newly offered dust cover) and stones in the steering mechanism are a pain” Bought a «Dust Cover» for my TT-01 that works well on Tamico: i must admit i went far over the kit price on Hop-Ups and i knew from the start this would be Tarmac/prepped dirt course only (even more than TT-02 though there is some mods you can do to make TT-01E higher), but i still love this kit, Its something with the hole Tamiya hobby experience & the splendid look on most off their bodies that appeals to me, as im not competitive i have a great time just to sit and watch it even if its not able to rocket speed up a ramp an do 6 loops 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicadraus 5721 Posted August 5 9 hours ago, Rinskie said: I did not realize liking the Frog Rally car was not popular. I am only guessing at the year but it would have been around 82-83 when I got my first exposure to RC cars. I was in the 5th grade and convinced a friend to "loan" me his Tamiya catalogue which he never got back. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowalski86 2188 Posted August 5 Can I just say that "topless", chassis shots don't do anything for me? I might look at them for wire routing advice, but I'm far more interested in interesting engineering than bits of nice materials on an ABS tub. Plus, blue anodizing scrapes off easy in my experience unfortunately. Plastic bends back, plastics cheap to replace, and it's waterproof. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Honza 724 Posted August 6 On 8/4/2023 at 6:46 PM, Kowalski86 said: So a TA02 then? It has metal driveshafts, basically a buggy chassis, its also a lot cheaper/easier to get my hands on one. Yep, TA-02 was very popular rally chassis, some people still run it. It just doesn't handle modern motors well, from what I've heard, the more recent kits have softer plastics that don't crack as much, but flex more under power.. and I'm not aware of any dust cover 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kpowell911 1238 Posted August 6 On 8/5/2023 at 3:17 AM, Grastens said: They're too capable for me. I was uninspired by them, but then modern WRC doesn't really do it for me, either. I can understand the too capable part as silly as it sounds, but I feel anything from Tamiya is just unusable full stop. Feel like we need a middle ground Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
