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TL-01LA Ultimate Spec - Castrol Tom's Supra

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I've been ummming and ahhhing about whether or not this should be a project or not for some time now. 

During lockdown 1.0 back in 2020 I started amassing parts to rebuild my first ever Tamiya model; 58264 Castrol Tom's Supra 2000:

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I kept my particular TL-01 for many years, eventually selling it on these very forums. A sale I regret.

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Yeah, I didn't go with box art :lol:

I was somewhat influenced by Fast and Furious movies and I was only 15 in my defence!

I kept the chassis and upgraded it around 2015:

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And I treated it to a new Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R body:

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It sold for about £100, which is heartbreaking thinking back!

The TL-01 lives on spiritually in the GF-01, G6-01, WR-02, MF-01X etc. as the arms and uprights are still very much in use. The monocoque chassis (A parts) are also really easy to pick up brand new. 

Then there's the Hop Up parts - not a great deal of TL-01-specific Hop-Ups were ever offered;
53115 TA04/TL01 Front Universal Shaft Set - Hard to find now and frankly, better more abundant Tamiya parts are available that do the same job 
53300 Turnbuckle Tie Rod TL01 - harder to find now but was recently easy to find. The few parts in this set are easily obtained elsewhere anyway
53301 Stainless Steel Suspension Shafts - Again, still in production it seems and cheap and plentiful
53303 Adjustable Upper Arms Set - Rare now, but parts easily found
53322 Hollow Carbon Gear Shaft - Very rare now; was a super cheap upgrade back in the day. Easily reproduced with 5mm diameter carbon tube
53323 Carbon Prop Shaft TL01 - Haven't seen a NIP one of these for years. As per the gear shafts though, very easy to make your own
53331 Lightweight Chassis Frame TL01 - moulded in grey plastic it was always a bit of an urban myth whether this actually was lighter. There's a few grams in it, most of which comes from using the FRP rear plate in lieu of a big plastic bumper! Hard to find now, but not impossible.
53342 Speed Tuned Gear Set - Still in production as it suits other aforementioned chassis' 
53346 - RC Quick Release Battery Holder - Seems out of stock just this moment, but was very easy to obtain only a short while ago.
53418 - TL-01 Universal Shaft - Easier to find than the earlier 53115 but again, you can obtain better individual CVD components and build a better option yourself.
53467 - Long Suspension Arm Set TL01/FF02 - Like gold dust now, the fabled Long-Arm (LA) setup. Also included on the TL-01RA chassis.
53517 - TL-01LA Stabilizer Set - Bizarrely easier to find than the actual Long Arm parts, but getting rarer / more expensive.

So where are we at today?

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I've obtained lots of parts.

Best part is that one of my COVID lockdown projects was to build the bodyshell. I got MCI in Canada to reproduce the correct 2000 version Castrol decals, as butchering the TA02 version to suit was not good enough (see Tamiya Legends YouTube channel as he does this, not sure why when by the time of filming, MCI had already produced the correct decals :lol:)

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I masked off the head and tail-lights and used the light buckets from the Tamiya Supra street body. The front buckets are very different on the race car, with only two light housings. To get a similar effect I painted them black and picked out 2 lamps with a Molotow Liquid chrome pen, then used some transparent orange over the indicator light.

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Mounted it up on a TT01 and forgot about it for 3 years...

So what's the plan?

I'm having long-term procrastination about using my Lightweight chassis set. I bought a separate A-parts (regular chassis) with a view to selling the Lightweight Chassis... but I feel like it's now or never.

What do you think?

I'm also customising it with some nice carbon bits from Fibre Lyte and a 3D printed front bumper solution which I think you'll approve of.

Watch this space...

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Nice nice

Must be my favourite chassis 👍🏻

If you were to use the lightweight chassis then it's a must to gather all the other hop ups, can't have just the L/W chassis all by its self.

Great job on the body, and interested in what bits your getting from Fibre Lyte.

Watching this space👀

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Love it.

 

When I 1st bought my TB01, my very good friend at the time bought thr TL01. Spent hours blasting them around the school playground.

 

Will be watching this as I do like a good TL01.

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12 hours ago, svenb said:

Nice nice

Must be my favourite chassis 👍🏻

If you were to use the lightweight chassis then it's a must to gather all the other hop ups, can't have just the L/W chassis all by its self.

Great job on the body, and interested in what bits your getting from Fibre Lyte.

Watching this space👀

I know I'll be doing it a disservice by not using the lightweight chassis... so I guess I had better open that packaging.

2 hours ago, Kpowell911 said:

What Fibrelyte pieces are they?

I have -
Battery Retainers (for quick-release battery holder)
Rear chassis plate*
Shock Towers F&R
*probably won't need this as well as the shock towers...

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Not a lot of progress yet - waiting on some final pieces to arrive.

In the meantime I turned a bunch of packaging into a comparatively small pile of essential bits:

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Not really sure where the white springs came from originally; they were just kicking around in my parts box. I may keep them, I think the white on pink works quite well. Kinda like some Coconut Ice :lol:

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On 3/30/2023 at 8:14 PM, ChrisRx718 said:

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And I treated it to a new Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R body:

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Can you recall what wheels these are? I really want a set like that with the squarer profile spokes.

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3 hours ago, Superluminal said:

Can you recall what wheels these are? I really want a set like that with the squarer profile spokes.

Yep, those are Tamiya 50724 Accord VTEC PIAA Wheels painted with the same Gunmetal Grey paint as the bodyshell. They were cheap and plentiful years ago; but as with everything they're now quite hard to find!

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Not a very exciting update but a necessary one - Tie Rods!

Now a huge thanks to @svenb for having a copy of the Long-Span suspension arm instruction manual, since I can't find any other resources online which help you install the TL-01LA stabiliser set (the LA manual is available on the Tamiya website, but the stabilisers were a Hop-Up Option)

For my own future reference in case I lose the images he kindly sent me, the end-to-end measurements are (not centre to centre):
Front & Rear Upper arms x4: 36mm (I needed to use 18mm turnbuckles in the end, the 23mm were too long)
Front stabiliser drop link x2: 29mm
Rear stabiliser drop link x2: 30mm (every mil counts!)

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Onwards!

First up; I bravely tore in to the NIP Lightweight A-Parts Hop Up:

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Time to answer that age-old question; is it actually lighter than the regular A-Parts? Most people say that the majority of weight saving comes from the FRP rear plate fitted in lieu of the chunky plastic bumper and that the different colour is (was) purely a marketing gimmick. Well...

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Wowsers. 25g of difference. You'd notice that much extra sugar being in your cup of tea! (about 6x teaspoons worth; if you're wondering) :lol:

Following my original manual from back in the day, the first stages are to build up the servo saver and tie-rods. I used GF-01/WR-02 servo posts, since these are the right length to get the servo 'central' in the TL01 chassis. Regular servo posts are the short type, unless you use spacers, as far as I know. Not that anyone will ever see them!

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Then into the car and the motor protection guard and battery retainer is installed into one half of the chassis:

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Next the manual has you install the propshaft. I couldn't be fitting the rusty scratched-up old thing I had in my parts stash, and part #53323 (Carbon Prop Shaft) is long-since discontinued.

I made my own, and I'm useless at making things, so if I can do it you can. Bit of 5mm carbon rod (or tube), a dremel and a set of measuring calipers:

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Easy peasy, and a lot cheaper than trying to source a genuine Hop-Up.

I did the same with the gear shafts inside - these are even easier because you don't have to drill holes in them unlike the propshaft. This is a proper ball-ache without a pillar drill and using cheap Chinesium drill bits you got off eBay about a decade ago.

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Bosh! the two halves of the chassis meet at last. 

TL-01 quick-release battery holder was installed, albeit with a twist:

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Actual carbon fibbbber! 

Courtesy of Fibre Lyte in the UK. The retainer on the opposite side of the chassis is also carbon instead of the kit-supplied FRP.

I'm tired now, more over the weekend...

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Nice! The carbon plates for the battery holder look so much neater than stock FRP.

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Yep, it's the little things that add up! If only there was an easy way of creating the metal bits from the quick release kit, as now I'm going to have bits of FRP left over!

Hit a stumbling block today so this project is going to stall. 

I had (wrongly) assumed that the TL01 front and rear end was symmetrical. The rear is certainly the same as the FF02 rear - so I'd ordered 2 lots of FF02 rear damper towers from Fibre Lyte thinking I had it sussed.

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Haha, oh how I laughed :angry:

The FF02 front end is really tall, its the same parts as an M-03. So the front of a TL01 sits somewhere between the two!

I asked if I could have a copy of their CAD file to modify, but Fibre Lyte didn't want to share their property, which is fair enough.

2 hours later and I'd "remade" it on CAD, using the tried-and-tested method of cardboard-aided design (or in this case, paper). Don't worry, the below isn't the final version, the suspension holes were still out of whack. Got it in 5 attempts in the end!

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Update time!

So sad to report that FibreLyte the Carbon Composite specialist are not fully up to speed and having some personal life issues and supplier problems. I will be patient and wait it out a few more months, but it does mean that this project will stop until I can have my front carbon shock tower built. 

I did the next most logical thing that a TamiyaClub member with idle thumbs could do.

I bought another TL01-LA from Japan:

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What am I doing with my life?! :lol:

So this has some fair goodies attached to it-
Some kind of low-friction dampers which are gunmetal in colour. Very cool; I much prefer these to my pink ones. They also have super low-friction piston rods.
Original carbon propshaft (better made than my DIY attempt)
Quick-Release Battery Holder
TL01LA Stabiliser Set 
Speed Tuned Gear Set
Universal Swing shafts front and rear

I think that's it. 

I'm not 100% sure what to do with it. The intention was to plunder all the best parts for this "Ultimate" spec build, but now I have two LA setups. I could donate that LA setup to my Custom 934 Porsche MF01X 230mm project? As the Jazrider bits are a terrible fit on that.

What do you reckon? Answers on a postcard. 

In the meantime I have started a couple of other projects; most recently an M-05 "Bitsa" build. Again, this started out easy, but lost momentum. I need to pick this back up again and start a separate thread, but for now here's the progress:

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On 6/26/2023 at 8:34 PM, ChrisRx718 said:

Update time!

So sad to report that FibreLyte the Carbon Composite specialist are not fully up to speed and having some personal life issues and supplier problems. I will be patient and wait it out a few more months, but it does mean that this project will stop until I can have my front carbon shock tower built. 

I did the next most logical thing that a TamiyaClub member with idle thumbs could do.

I bought another TL01-LA from Japan:

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What am I doing with my life?! :lol:

So this has some fair goodies attached to it-
Some kind of low-friction dampers which are gunmetal in colour. Very cool; I much prefer these to my pink ones. They also have super low-friction piston rods.
Original carbon propshaft (better made than my DIY attempt)
Quick-Release Battery Holder
TL01LA Stabiliser Set 
Speed Tuned Gear Set
Universal Swing shafts front and rear

I think that's it.

Have the universal shafts and titanium wheel axles??

Both an absolute must🙄

 

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On 6/26/2023 at 9:34 PM, ChrisRx718 said:

I'm not 100% sure what to do with it. The intention was to plunder all the best parts for this "Ultimate" spec build, but now I have two LA setups. .....

...In the meantime I have started a couple of other projects; most recently an M-05 "Bitsa" build. ...

What about merging the two? M-05 + LA kit + 3racing extension set ? 😁

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Long overdue update (only 4 months later!)

Fibre-Lyte came through with the goods recently, the company had some supply-chain issues which are now resolved (pesky, interfering EU).

Delivery last week:

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Yes, I have double of everything. Yes, that's because I now have 2x TL-01LA :rolleyes:

So my custom part was the front suspension tower:

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Fits like a glove. The screw-holes for the damper attachments could do with being maybe a quarter of a millimetre lower, but they should be fine as-is if I slightly enlarge the holes. 

Rear end too:

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And finally a switch blanking plate / cover because I was feeling flamboyant :lol:

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Now the build can move forward!

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I thought this build looked familiar. I saw the post on the TL01 Owners Club about the Fibre-Lyte parts. Progress looks great! I would say check out the TA03 ball diffs instead of the Manta Ray. There is a rather extensive review on the weight difference between the two, 29g vs 44g, since it's the ultimate spec ;)

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3 hours ago, Burntartichoke said:

I thought this build looked familiar. I saw the post on the TL01 Owners Club about the Fibre-Lyte parts. Progress looks great! I would say check out the TA03 ball diffs instead of the Manta Ray. There is a rather extensive review on the weight difference between the two, 29g vs 44g, since it's the ultimate spec ;)

And then go for the lightweight alloy diff housings for that one ! Because no one will ever see it... BUT YOU  :)

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On 11/4/2023 at 4:05 PM, ChrisRx718 said:

Long overdue update (only 4 months later!)

As far as i can see in the photos, you have used the normal TL-01 B-parts (50736) where you haven't replaced them with hop-ups. As you probably know, the 44025 Mad Bison had the TL-01 B-parts in fibre reinforced grey plastic (#10005757).

As you have used the LA-suspension, alu hex hubs and a high-torque servo saver, i don't think there is any actual technical benefit of replacing the other regular B-parts (antenna mount, pinion cover, propshaft covers) with Mad Bison parts. However, being grey they kind of match the lw chassis, though being a different hue of grey.

if you don't have them and should want them, I will happily send you the parts for free.

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3 hours ago, Mokei Kagaku said:

 

As far as i can see in the photos, you have used the normal TL-01 B-parts (50736) where you haven't replaced them with hop-ups. As you probably know, the 44025 Mad Bison had the TL-01 B-parts in fibre reinforced grey plastic (#10005757).

As you have used the LA-suspension, alu hex hubs and a high-torque servo saver, i don't think there is any actual technical benefit of replacing the other regular B-parts (antenna mount, pinion cover, propshaft covers) with Mad Bison parts. However, being grey they kind of match the lw chassis, though being a different hue of grey.

if you don't have them and should want them, I will happily send you the parts for free.

I had no idea those parts existed! If Chris doesn't want them I'd have off you but I have a feeling he will😳

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5 minutes ago, svenb said:

I had no idea those parts existed! If Chris doesn't want them I'd have off you but I have a feeling he will😳

I have enough, so you can have an antenna mount, a pinion cover and two propshaft covers for free too. If you should be interested in a complete sprue of 10005757, you can have one for the same i bought it for. 

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2 minutes ago, Mokei Kagaku said:

I have enough, so you can have an antenna mount, a pinion cover and two propshaft covers for free too. If you should be interested in a complete sprue of 10005757, you can have one for the same i bought it for. 

That's really decent of you. If Chris wants a set I can forward them to him.

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19 hours ago, Mokei Kagaku said:

 

As far as i can see in the photos, you have used the normal TL-01 B-parts (50736) where you haven't replaced them with hop-ups. As you probably know, the 44025 Mad Bison had the TL-01 B-parts in fibre reinforced grey plastic (#10005757).

As you have used the LA-suspension, alu hex hubs and a high-torque servo saver, i don't think there is any actual technical benefit of replacing the other regular B-parts (antenna mount, pinion cover, propshaft covers) with Mad Bison parts. However, being grey they kind of match the lw chassis, though being a different hue of grey.

if you don't have them and should want them, I will happily send you the parts for free.

Oh wow that's incredibly generous of you. I would be very grateful to have grey prop covers, pinion cover and antenna mount! :D

As @svenb says we're regularly trading between ourselves (usually me getting bits from him!) so I am more than happy to organise via him so he can pass on the small parts I need for this build, which will be very cheap with domestic postage. 

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10 minutes ago, ChrisRx718 said:

Oh wow that's incredibly generous of you. I would be very grateful to have grey prop covers, pinion cover and antenna mount! :D

As @svenb says we're regularly trading between ourselves (usually me getting bits from him!) so I am more than happy to organise via him so he can pass on the small parts I need for this build, which will be very cheap with domestic postage. 

@Mokei Kagaku PM on way

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Parts are packed and I'll go to the post office today or tomorrow as soon as work allows.

Here are a few pics of a TL-01 I built and hopped up around 1998/1999 and have updated as suitable new hop-ups got available. Please disregard the dust! After 24-25 years without use and 6 re-locations, it's in need of a thorough clean!) 


Hop-ups:
53267 TA03 Ball Differential
53300 Turnbuckle Tie-Rod Set*
53301 Stainless Steel Suspension Shaft Set*
53303 Adjustable Upper Arms*
53322 Hollow Carbon Gear Shaft
53323 Carbon Propeller Shaft
53342 Speed-Tuned Gear Set
53346 Quick Release Battery Holder
53418 Universal Shaft Set
53467 Long-Span Suspension Arm Set
53517 LA Stabilizer Set
53569 Clamp Type Aluminum Wheel Hub (6mm Thick)
 

Additionally:

  • Ball bearings
  • M03 bumper

(*If I recall correctly, replaced when the original suspension was replaced with the LA-suspension)

Mounted primarily for colour-coding (purple) (less for performance):
49063 Colour Antenna Pipe (Purple)
49070 TA03 Super Low Friction Damper Set (Purple)
49090 5mm Aluminum Ball Connector (Purple)
49093 Aluminum Servo Stay (Purple)
 

Additionally:

  • 3Racing purple motor heat sink
  • Purple wheelnuts (not Tamiya, if I recall correctly)
  • Purple Springs (off a TA04, I believe)

 

Mounted primarily for colour-coding (grey) (less for performance):
53217 Hard Joint Cup Set (for Ball Diff)
53331 Lightweight Frame
53336 Reinforced One-Piece Mesh Wheels
53571 TRF Damper Set (Fluorine Coated)(combined wtih 49070)
53599 Fluorine Coated 5mm Aluminum Ball Nut
53600 Fluorine Coated Aluminum Stabilizer Ends
53918 V-Parts for TRF Damper
54237 M05 Low Friction King Pin
54489 Low Friction 5mm Adjuster (Short)
10005757 Mad Bison B-Parts

All original screws replaced with black, but otherwise identical and original Tamiya screws.

 

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