Trading forum - lack of courtesy

[Superju]

Hi fellow Tc members

You might think this is a pointless topic, but this issue is really getting me down. I spend alot of time looking for parts Im missing for my collection of the first 60 cars. I like being able to find parts in the trading room to help these models on their way. I know how frustrating it is when you can't find a part you really need.

I therefore make a concerted effort to help other Tc members out with their wants and needs. If I see a trade for a part wanted I firstly check to see if I have the parts, which can be a task if you have 50 or so boxes to look in. While I have alot of my new parts databased. Most of my used bits are unfiled so to speak. Back to the point. In my quest to fill the wants of others to chalk up a favour or trade for sumthing useful to me, I find a large proportion of users fail to reply.

This can be a bit dis heartening, either they've got the part allready or your too far away for them to contemplate a trade. For any reason a quick "Hey mate Im sweet, ta anyways" is alot more courtious than no reply at all. In a particular instance lately I had one member who supposely needed a part badly enough to relist it a second time to get to the top of the trades again. I had an idea I had the part he needed but couldn't be bothered looking for the previous reasons. On seeing the listing a second time I decided he must be desperate and decided to see if I could help. The part was small and it took me the best part of an hour to find it.

Guess what?? This turkey never replied. After begging for the part, he decides not to return the email. I don't care that he doesn't want it, I just am spewing about the lack of integrity shown by the no reply. This is not the first time. The trades is still listed so how many others have wasted their time!!?? I agree their is alot of timewasters out there. granted. But I feel that members who list trades make a conscious effort to return emails sent to them by other members trying to help.

Some members Ive talked to never use the trading room for that reason. Others would suggest to me I shouldn't bother either. maybe, but that is not helping anyone at all. Especially as this is a club that you can seek help from. I have had mostly great trades with the older tc members. Its great to be able to help sumone with a desperately needed piece to their puzzle, that makes me happy. Many members have gone as far as to mention me in their model captions as a sign of goodwill.

The bottom line is... don't post trades if you ain't gonna reply. It just ruins the spirit of the club for those getting ignored. Its like putting your hand out with and offering and having it spat on. Just a wee bit of thought please.... Am I the only one with this gripe??? Does anyone else feel the same???

Regards Juan

[Incredible_Serious]

Come on Ju, you know this is your fault for living sooooo far away from... from.... hang on, you live right near me.... better be careful!

I know how you feel though matey, it gets a bit strange to send e-mails out and get nothing in response. I must admit though, I have not answered e-mails that i have received from my trades... not what I would prefer to do, just happens some times...

Chin up matey, plenty more cars in the first 50 out there for us....

Oh yeah, Ju, you got a spare Madcap wing mount for your old buddy???

Alex

[Onetenth]

It did happen to me a couple of times...emailed to make offers to buy or sell and got no response. I do feel "ignored" in those occasions. If location is the reason, then I know it may be the same reason for me too, here in Hong Kong...Hey Juan, did you ever send me the "Brat Body Mounts"? [] if you remember that...[]...LOL

Gary

[DJTheo]

I can perfectly undestand Ju, some members simply ignore emails and only write when they need something, when they get it elsewhere they never reply back [!], I guess that's how times are and we should live with it [8)][V]

Cheers

[Renco5012]

The same thing happens when you are interested in buying something and you make an "offer" only to get no reply... [xx(]

Is a simple "sorry, I was after a bit more" too much to ask [?] By not replying it seems like the seller's really meaning "your offer's ****, go away!" Lol. []

[dhes2809]

Yip happened to me last week someone askes how much to ship overseas so i went to the post office found out replied to the guy and never heard from him again we had sent several emails between ourselves before hand asking questions and so on. It must of been the fact that it was going to cost him £2 to ship a £35 item. Craaaazzyyy.

[jozza]

Sometimes it's not the person's fault though - my recent giveaway of some Pumpkin shocks almost didn't happen because emails genuinely went astray, a combination of my ISP and the other guy's ISP playing up.... so it's not always ignorance. Also, I've occasionally inadvertently deleted mail thinking it's spam (I get about 3500 spam mails daily now, so anything with a topic that I don't instantly recognised gets vapourised)..

[mud4fun]

I always try and reply to everybody that emails me but sometimes I lose track.

For example when I put some cars or parts up and I clearly state UK only, paypal only, will not split etc and I get bombarded with emails asking will I ship to Australia, will I split, can I have just one of the four tyres you are selling etc, etc, etc it becomes both annoying and tedius to reply to all the emails.

Last time I put some parts up I got over 60 emails of which 50+ were a waste of time. I tried to reply to most but inevitably I missed some - sorry [:I]

I also tend to ignore emails that aren't polite. Why should I be polite to people who are just plain ignorant. I've had emails like:

"just want the wheels, rest is rubbish, give me a price for them"

THIS WAS THE ENTIRE EMAIL! No name, no hello, please, thanks etc.

[taffer]

I've recently been chatting to 'quincey' about a trade and sent replies via email, only for a few days later getting a unknown email reply from my isp! (so if your reading this quincey, i'll leave it for now thanks! [])

[Hillman666]

It is annoying when people dont reply. I try my best to reply to emails but sometimes they do get missed. I must say that most of what I have bought and traded via the trading room has gone fine except when my emails go missing! ( thanks Jozza for be being patient with our recent trade! []). However there was an item listed recently that was open to offers. I wanted the item but wasnt too sure what to offer. I emailed with my offer but received no reply. Not even a 'sorry but I was after a bit more' reply. I then went on to win the same item on eBay from the same person for less than I offered in the first place! Madness! But a bonus for me I suppose! All in all I would say the trading room benefits far out way the negatives and I will continue to use it. [][]

[pleiku68(2)]

Yes "Ingored" is a good word...I have offered to give, yes give, a part to people and pay the shipping and never gotten a reply..[]I have since changed my bathing habits and bought lots of mouth wash..[]

I alway look, if I think I have the part..Most members, I believe, think the trades room is a one way arena,[]..I also keep a record of the none returned emails and will never offer help to those

too lazy to respond again..[]..You know you see a post "Looking for hub screw for a Clod Buster"..50 reads no reply's...The guy looking is the only one on the planet with out the darn screw but everyone is just to lazy to help..IMHO[][]

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Originally posted by Onetenth

It did happen to me a couple of times...emailed to make offers to buy or sell and got no response. I do feel "ignored" in those occasions.

Gary

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[tamiyarcguy]

Not to complain even more but I see the adds listed SHIP TO UK ONLY, that has to be one of the most annoying thing to see...Most of my posts never get replies to. I have two up right now that have seen no replies and I know people have this info but just dont care to share. I am kinda Isolated compared to the UK and German groups, I have never seen a trail rig in real life and have been emailing around begging to get info and pics on how they did theirs(axel info and transfer case stuff), I have received one reply and it was linked to a dead end, but im not complaining I got a reply. I think there needs to be more of an open mind to the rest of the "hobby world".

[mud4fun]

Hi Tamiyarcguy, not wishing to get into the whole 'ship to UK' debate again but just to let you know that there is often a very valid reason for this. My local village post office won't handle shipments outside of UK so I have to go to main office which is a 20 mile round trip. This costs me more in fuel and more hassle. On top of that I always insist on recorded delivery which for overseas delivery can be very expensive. I have on so many occasions replied to emails from overseas stating what it would cost to deliver and I never received any reply back. In the end I put UK only to put off the time wasters.

That is not to say I won't ship abroad and if I receive a courteous email from a genuine person who makes it clear they will be happy to pay the extra then I will usually oblige but sadly too many people want something for nothing. I'd say that at least 75% of all overseas emails I've replied to with postage costs have resulted in no reply back even to say 'sorry that is too expensive for me'.

I think the heading of this topic says it all. A courteous email which shows some care/thought being put into it will have a higher chance of success than some misspelt 1 liner.

If we take the example I used above (as received in the email):

"just want the weels, rest is ****, giv me a price for em"

resulting in me ignoring the email however if I had received:

"Hi Mud4fun, although I don't need the rest of the parts would you be interested in splitting the wheels which are just what I need. I'm happy to pay a little more to offset you having to split the lot, many thanks, joe bloggs"

This would certainly have resulted in me replying and more than likely selling just the wheels.

Sadly the use of email, text messaging and online chat has reduced us all to being ignorant and we now struggle to construct proper sentances and use the correct etiquette.

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PS Tamiyarcguy, the question you asked regarding trail rigs was very specific to using Big Rig axles/tranny. There can only be a few dozen people worldwide who have actually done those conversions and many may not be members of this club so it would likely result in few responses. If you'd asked a more general question regaring making your own chassis, 4 link setups etc then I'm positive you'd have been flooded with responses [] I'm always willing to help but my 'crawler' experience is limited to mostly 1:1 vehicles. I have only recently started to scratch build my own truck. There are other good sites out there, have you tried www.rccrawler.com which is more American based and therefore has loads more crawling conversions than TC which isn't truck/crawler biased.

[nickseab]

I totally agree m4f, it's very annoying to never get a reply, even if it's just to say "no thanks".

I also cannot stand it when people use "text" speak in emails etc...

Anyone remember in the (UK) news a while back, the girl in a school that submitted an entire assignment in "text" - I personally found that to be indicative of the degeneration of our society and loss of our culture and language, which is a very sad thing indeed.

(Just what I think.)

[jozza]

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Originally posted by mud4fun

Sadly the use of email, text messaging and online chat has reduced us all to being ignorant and we now struggle to construct proper sentances and use the correct etiquette.

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Text speak in forums is the pits; it's fine for instant messaging and phones, but that's where it should stay.

[pleiku68(2)]

Yea, Chris, take out your Mod stick and "Lock" all the topics with text[]...I 4 1 wod b all 2 [] 2 c u do dis.[)] I wanted to do this without signing it but guess I can't..[:I]

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Originally posted by jozza

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Originally posted by mud4fun

Sadly the use of email, text messaging and online chat has reduced us all to being ignorant and we now struggle to construct proper sentances and use the correct etiquette.

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id="quote">id="quote">I no what u mean m4f, jus because dey cn do it dey do. spoze its jus a sign of d timez m8 [

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Text speak in forums is the pits; it's fine for instant messaging and phones, but that's where it should stay.

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[usapirap(2)]

I think getting ignored is just part of life. You can't expect a response from everyone for everything you do, especailly when you are dealing with people from all over the world with different culture backgrounds. On top of that, some people just don't like to write emails. For example, a girl I've known for a long time don't reply my emails. When asked her why no email reply, she simply said she don't like to do emails and prefer in person communication. She also said since we live in the same town, I should just call or stop by her apt instead of write her emails. []

[Neil_S2000]

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Originally posted by nickseab

I totally agree m4f, it's very annoying to never get a reply, even if it's just to say "no thanks".

I also cannot stand it when people use "text" speak in emails etc...

Anyone remember in the (UK) news a while back, the girl in a school that submitted an entire assignment in "text" - I personally found that to be indicative of the degeneration of our society and loss of our culture and language, which is a very sad thing indeed.

(Just what I think.)

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Totally agree very sad, and the above email also shows how socially retarded some people are that they think they can send mails like that and get a response.

[professorslot]

Ever posted a wanted add, a really pointless endeavour, nobody even bothers to reply to it really or you only get emails saying I've got the

part you want but will only swap it for some incredibly difficult part to get you can be sure is not in your inventory, then you offer him cash ,but no thanks, trades only............. It really drives me bonkers.

A guy recently posted a wanted add for the upper chassis part for a bigwig, when read the add, I tought hang on, I've got that part flying around somewhere, I emailed him and said that I had the part and would post it tomorrow if he gave me his address, he was kind of shocked that I didn't ask for money for it but hey what can a used chassis brace be worth, next to nothing ?? so why charge anything, I made a guy happy , that's what counts.

I'm not saying one should give away stuff for free, but for gods sake

we're a club and should help each other out.

I listed a wanted add for a used Rough rider figure, would also be willing to pay a good price for it, but nobody even bothers to reply.

Franz

[WillyChang]

quote:... the above email also shows how socially retarded some people are that they think they can send mails like that and get a response.

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very apt

[Gruntfuggly]

Franz - there's a repro rough rider figure on ebay at the moment...

[Guest Carsnboats]

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Originally posted by Neil_S2000

Originally posted by nickseab

I totally agree m4f, it's very annoying to never get a reply, even if it's just to say "no thanks".

I also cannot stand it when people use "text" speak in emails etc...

Anyone remember in the (UK) news a while back, the girl in a school that submitted an entire assignment in "text" - I personally found that to be indicative of the degeneration of our society and loss of our culture and language, which is a very sad thing indeed.

(Just what I think.)

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Hi Neil,

My wife teaches GCSE and A level english, I have seen examples of text speak in assignments. Unbelieveable really!

Clive

[Guest Carsnboats]

I often give small parts away, it is hardly worth the time and expense of charging a couple of quid for the part and packing. I am a firm believer in pay it forward. Others have helped me and I help when I can.

[RallyeBaz]

I had a TC member email me last week on a model I recently added to my trades. He emailed me before last year on a model and both times states a Postal Order is on way, after I have confirmed my address.

Postal Orders never arrive and no response from buyer to chase up emails.

[tamiyoman]

I think on TC you can count on your close TC friends to help you but as for most others who you dont have much (If any) contact with on a regular basis they just simply dont bother to reply.

I have had Wanted trades up for the last 6 months (i think about 7 or 8 different trade wants) and i had only 1 reply, and that was from someone i knew (Thanks mate you know who you are!). There are a few people you can count on and the rest.................?.

On the flip side i think trades with "make me an offer" are now largely ignored by most people (they are by me anyway) and rightly so and stating things like "Silly offers and mickey takers/chancers will be ignored" pretty much rules out any offers your likely to get, in fact your probably only likely to annoy people with those comments and receive lots of silly offers lol, if you want offers PUT IT ON EBAY AUCTION!, if you have a price in mind STATE YOUR PRICE and sell on TC, thats my view anyway, sure some will agree and lots will disagree but this is an open forum and is my own view on things.

I have said in previous forum posts that i disagree with "Make me an offer" posts (although i have been guilty of it in the past!) and maybe one day like other forums this facility will be removed (there seem to be many people thinking the same thing!).

As regards being courteous I always reply to emails although im the first to admit that my replies can be rather short as i am a busy man, but you will get a reply and its honest, to the point and courteous!.

Cheers