Is a stadium truck what we want?

[alvinlwh]

.

[one_hit]

9 minutes ago, alvinlwh said:

@BuggyDad how about a CC-01 and running it as it is supposed to (not a crawler).

You will need a more durable body or omit all the bits that comes on the bodies these days.

CC-01 lacks ground clearance and you can’t even make up for it with larger wheels and tires due to clearance issues with the body and chassis

[BuggyDad]

46 minutes ago, Mad Ax said:

No, but it does make a Bear Hawk with the wrong colour wheels and the wrong body, which is better  

I think you meant the right colour wheels and the right body, yes? 😜

This is turning into an amazing project, which has nothing to do with the thread. I love it. 

51 minutes ago, ThunderDragonCy said:

One of the guys at the Tamiya Junkies meets has a kyosho mad van. It's really wide, looks cool as ****** and has big wheels. 

Didnt know about this, so just looked it up - Tomley RC video of one with broadly the brushless power I have in my DT-03 looks right on. It's fast and nuts yet looks relatively stable for a big wheeled thing with its wide track and long wheelbase. And we drive a van. Nice shell too (that wouldn't last very well I'm afraid, but could be painted in A-Team livery). And it's a Kyosho, which is just cool. That truly is a great answer to my badly thought out question, assuming there's some parts support. 

I might still cook up a Phony Phalcon though. And maybe then mod the heck out of it. That's got it all. Plus it can share paint with the A-Team van. This feels like destiny.... 

[BuggyDad]

29 minutes ago, alvinlwh said:

@BuggyDad how about a CC-01 and running it as it is supposed to (not a crawler).

You will need a more durable body or omit all the bits that comes on the bodies these days.

Ned's! I have no idea about the car and am only 10 seconds in but I'm sold on the soundtrack alone. One of 14 year old me's favourite songs! 

[Grumpy pants]

2 hours ago, ThunderDragonCy said:

One of the guys at the Tamiya Junkies meets has a kyosho mad van. It's really wide, looks cool as ****** and has big wheels. 

Great idea! 

[Kowalski86]

2 hours ago, alvinlwh said:

@BuggyDad how about a CC-01 and running it as it is supposed to (not a crawler).

You will need a more durable body or omit all the bits that comes on the bodies these days.

Having re-built a CC-01 (replacing every single bushing with a bearing), I wouldn't recommend one. They're very expensive for what you get and have their share of faults, for the price of buying one (and paint, bearings, servo, etc) I'd take a look at Kyoshos offerings, or maybe a Mad Bull if you don't mind something thats not entirely scale.

[simalarion]

Take it your lad is rather young (?):

Matteo also do a Stock Z upgrade on it in another video wich he is happy with. I believe this would be great for me as kid ehh since it also would be great for me now

[Willy iine]

6 hours ago, BuggyDad said:

My lad is enthusiastic about building another kit, so some time in the coming months we'll probably do that. But what? It's not an imminent purchase, rather just kicking ideas around. 

I fed in the idea of a rally car but it didn't really take (and to be honest, I think that's right anyway, much as I'd love to build an XV-01 with him we'd have to leave home to run it). The idea of some sort of truck did though, or some other bigger wheeled machine. Not so much a tall traditional monster truck, more your stadium truck type of thing, or something else usable in the same sort of running. So I'm thinking:

- it'd be run like we bash with a buggy, so could take speed, needs OK stability

- but needs more ground clearance and wheel size for grass and the rough hard old surface of our yard (which is basically old sharp 50mm gravel long since bedded down into a hard surface; bumps a little on the big side for a 1/10 buggy)

- needs to be a good build experience and I'm minded to go 4wd both to differentiate it from his truggy wheeled DT-03 in driving terms and for a bit extra in the build. Also wary this seems to be headed towards a class of vehicle that is again RTR-dominated. That's definitely not for us. 

- I think it'd be the car to take our worst abuses, so toughness is important. We aren't going to be sending it into orbit like skate park you-tubers but experience tells me I want a quite different level of toughness for this than DT-03.

- decent ish dirt/water resistance, so no exposed gears for example. 

There are obvious answers, like Traxxas Stampede which I see comes in kit form, although I don't want proprietary electronics or particularly to support Traxxas, and perhaps irrationally I'm a bit off entering a world which looks a bit generic/characterless/dumbed down. But I'm also early in my thinking. I don't know that we want this class of vehicle at all even, and I'm interested in whacky ideas out of left field too. 

I would just get the BL version MadVan and call it a day.       Cheap, fast, rugged, looks great, expendable.. just do hopups where needed and drive like mad.  

[Badcrumble]

2 hours ago, BuggyDad said:

Ned's! I have no idea about the car and am only 10 seconds in but I'm sold on the soundtrack alone. One of 14 year old me's favourite songs! 

Thanks for the soundtrack prompt, I would have skipped over that otherwise! Brilliant!

I reckon you need a monster truck but I'm not sure the Clodbuster is it.

We've a few second hand Dual Hunters but they are a bit pricey now in the market, can't be bought new and are costly to upgrade to make them quick. 

Otherwise, that Outlaw Pro looks great. It is what I wish my XV-01T was.

 

[Busdriver]

2 hours ago, alvinlwh said:

You have a G6-01TR? Indeed I am interested in a fast trail truck.

This is the video I saw of the GF-01TR and it is not slow at all which is why I wonder if the G6-01TR will be similar.

 

Yes I have the Dynahead chassis and the Konghead chassis. The Konghead has a 13.5t brushless setup and is a real hoot. The Dynahead has a silvercan and I suppose goes fast walking/slow jogging pace. Mine is heavy as it has a Loops ( sadly out of business) hard body Unimog cab and custom built bed. It also runs on 110mm trail tyres. I can imagine with stock body and tyres it’s a bit quicker. I think the little beetle is quicker as it’s a lot lighter.

[Busdriver]

3 hours ago, Mad Ax said:

I'm going to second a G6-01 - not the TR variant, though, as I think the portals will make it too slow and add complexity you don't need.  I run mine in standard trim but with a hot brushless setup and it's a riot.  Mine has been indestructible (except the plated wheels, which are a known weak spot - a variant with non-plated wheels might be better) and parts are readily available.

I think it's already been mentioned, you can add TL-01B arms to increase width and stability, and if that costs you too much turning circle you can install rear-wheel steering (be nice if this was switchable on your Tx because it can make them unstable at speed).

I run mine with standard arms and no-rear steer, there's plenty of turning circle for my garden and I avoid it rolling over by not driving too fast in corners.

I'm going to vote down the suggestion of a Blitzer Beetle - not because it's not good, it's great, I just don't think it will offer you anything your truggy-wheel DT-03 doesn't already have.  They are basically the same philosophy - a rear-motor, RWD buggy with big wheels on.  Unless you wanted to similar-spec cars that you could run side-by-side.

Thinking outside the box, there's no reason you couldn't add truggy wheels to a 4wd buggy.  The rolling radius on a stadium truck tyre isn't much different to a 2.2 buggy tyre, so gearing should be fine.

TBH this is really where we need a simple 4x4 stadium truck / fake monster truck like the Stampede, but made by Tamiya.  The closes they made was the Wild Dagger and its multiple body variants.  It's plenty fast enough for garden action with silvercans (it's mental on 3S) but the dual motor config makes it harder to source suitable faster motors (hence why I suggest the easy 3S option).  I don't think you can get a genuine 4x4 variant any more, but you might find a used WR-01, which is the 4x4 option, or if you buy a WT-01 (2wd version) you can buy a whole second gearbox assembly to make it 4x4.  There is a caster block option for the front end if you fit the front gearbox, which improves handling - not needed on the 2wd version as the non-driven front end has kickup.

In fairness the Blitzer probably wouldn’t be that different to the DT03 I just love them!!!!

[ChrisRx718]

Problem with the GF-01 / G6-01 is they don't jump great. You can make them do a neat kind of 'neutral' jump but as soon as you turn the speed up the wheelbase is so short it will either try to land on its' front bumper or its' wheelie bar.

At least a Stadium truck aces the jumps. Add a skateboard ramp to your garden and it opens another dimension to running a basher that you can't really appreciate with the Tamiya lineup (sorry). 

[Busdriver]

12 minutes ago, Willy iine said:

I would just get the BL version MadVan and call it a day.       Cheap, fast, rugged, looks great, expendable.. just do hopups where needed and drive like mad.  

Downside to a Madvan is its RTR but I think  @BuggyDadwanted to build it with his son. Suppose you could always unbuild it and put it back together?

[simalarion]

Mad Van Looks great straight out off the box for pure fast fun i must agree (just looked at videos), if he can handle that speed that is, looks like it can take a lot off beating as well.

Maybe you do not gringe everytime it rolls since its pre maid, that would be a bonus for me in a basher :). **** now i want a Mad Van 

 

[BuggyDad]

Mad van is only RTR?! NOOOOOOOO! We can't have that then. I just can't bring myself to do it. Back to the drawing board. 

Or maybe I buy one, disassemble it down to every last screw and give it to him in a bag. Like buying a kit, just without the instructions. 

But being honest, I'm not going to buy a RTR anything. Rationally the build is only a fraction of the tinkering, as has been discussed before, so it shouldn't matter, but it does. Grrr

[ThunderDragonCy]

@BuggyDad Sorry, didn't realise Madvan was RTR. 

[Frog Jumper]

1 hour ago, BuggyDad said:

Mad van is only RTR?! NOOOOOOOO! We can't have that then. I just can't bring myself to do it. Back to the drawing board. 

Or maybe I buy one, disassemble it down to every last screw and give it to him in a bag. Like buying a kit, just without the instructions. 

But being honest, I'm not going to buy a RTR anything. Rationally the build is only a fraction of the tinkering, as has been discussed before, so it shouldn't matter, but it does. Grrr

I’m not an RTR man either.  Takes all the fun out of it.  

[one_hit]

I too always said to myself that I would never buy an RTR. But eventually I did want something bigger, badder and faster and Tamiya doesn’t have anything like that. I bit the bullet and now have a couple of RTRs. No regrets here, I don’t enjoy them less just because I didn’t build them. I think I’d regret it more if I bought a kit and built it and found out that it doesn’t meet my expectations due to having to compromise on the ground clearance and stability. Don’t get me wrong, I still buy and build kits, but I also do enjoy unboxing and running in a brand new RTR.  

[simalarion]

Never bought a RTR one either as building always was an important part for me and makes it much more personal, but then i got the imprsession you was turned over to RTR since Mad Van was repeated many times here and as i wrote it looks like a Lot off fun.

But then i go back to my first suggestion then hehe

[Kowalski86]

1 hour ago, BuggyDad said:

Mad van is only RTR?! NOOOOOOOO! We can't have that then. I just can't bring myself to do it. Back to the drawing board. 

Or maybe I buy one, disassemble it down to every last screw and give it to him in a bag. Like buying a kit, just without the instructions. 

But being honest, I'm not going to buy a RTR anything. Rationally the build is only a fraction of the tinkering, as has been discussed before, so it shouldn't matter, but it does. Grrr

Do what I do, buy a used Mad Van and re-build it while fussing about the previous owners neglect!

[BuggyDad]

30 minutes ago, Kowalski86 said:

Do what I do, buy a used Mad Van and re-build it while fussing about the previous owners neglect!

This did occur to me, and I could do that. Although if it's mostly for my son, which it is, I think I'd still seek something that's new and in kit form. As a project to do together the structure of a kit and instructions approach enables it to be his thing with me in support rather than me directing what we do, or indeed just doing it myself. 

But another thing in favour of the Mad Van that just occurred to me, is it matches my Psychotic Ice Dancer Beetle! 

which I really need to do some work on. Although it doesn't wheelie it's fairly similar in character I reckon, but it's not the low maintence basher we're after here - under that shell is an Associated B64 with a hot motor, a tendency to overheat and an exposed spur and pinion (my biggest bugbear that I'm considering trying to solve with some 3d prints but that's a fairly big ask). 

[Willy iine]

2 hours ago, BuggyDad said:

Mad van is only RTR?! NOOOOOOOO! We can't have that then. I just can't bring myself to do it. Back to the drawing board. 

Or maybe I buy one, disassemble it down to every last screw and give it to him in a bag. Like buying a kit, just without the instructions. 

But being honest, I'm not going to buy a RTR anything. Rationally the build is only a fraction of the tinkering, as has been discussed before, so it shouldn't matter, but it does. Grrr

You need to bring yourself to 2023.   jk.  "No because RTR"  is not an excuse one can use any more..  RTR's are not all junk and I ask myself often what is the fun of building diffs or drive axles..dampers over and over..  Anyone can do it.  I've done it so many times it's borderline becoming a hassle than enjoyment. 

I swapped electronics on my RTR's, did some minor mods, and made them mine.  I don't see them any less than cars I built.  And by "built" we're just talking about assembling per the manufacturer.. anyone can do it. 

MadVan and the entire Fazer Mk2 line is designed my Kogawa-san.. you know the designer of the entire Kyosho cars from the legendary series.. both original and rere's.  They are very capable cars.  

[Grumpy pants]

6 hours ago, BuggyDad said:

 

 

 

What insanity is this? 

Are you lot trying to get me into a Falcon by the back door? 😅

Alternative view (and a wild diversion): has anyone taken a Blitzer, stuck yellow buggy wheels and some kind of repro Falcon shell on it? Does that make a Falcon with wishbone rear suspension and a front end that stays fixed to the tub (I am assuming the front end of the Blitzer stays put - it can't be the same as the Falcon if it's considered robust)? 

What am I missing? That's a project I could get behind!

The front end will only break off with heavy nose diving abuse or driving directly into a kerb I think, having said that AMPRO make a really nice set of reinforcement braces. 
 

[BuggyDad]

36 minutes ago, Willy iine said:

You need to bring yourself to 2023.   jk.  "No because RTR"  is not an excuse one can use any more..  RTR's are not all junk and I ask myself often what is the fun of building diffs or drive axles..dampers over and over..  Anyone can do it.  I've done it so many times it's borderline becoming a hassle than enjoyment. 

I swapped electronics on my RTR's, did some minor mods, and made them mine.  I don't see them any less than cars I built.  And by "built" we're just talking about assembling per the manufacturer.. anyone can do it. 

MadVan and the entire Fazer Mk2 line is designed my Kogawa-san.. you know the designer of the entire Kyosho cars from the legendary series.. both original and rere's.  They are very capable cars.  

You are of course right, in all those regards.

But (irrationally, some would say), you're also wrong. It can't be an RC car unless it arrived as a box of bits, in 150 little plastic bags.  I didn't make my giant plywood shock holder for nothing you know. 

And it isn't 2023. It's 1987. Get with the times, man. 😉

I joke, obvs, but in this case my 9 year old gotta learn to earn his fun!

[El Gecko]

7 hours ago, Mad Ax said:

TBH this is really where we need a simple 4x4 stadium truck / fake monster truck like the Stampede, but made by Tamiya.

Traxxas lawyers are probably salivating at the mere suggestion