wtcc5's Novafox: !Banned from Racing!

[Andreas W 2510]

Too bad that the competent Fox got banned from the competition,  but I thought in that direction already when you made the first evolution. This was maybe pulling the string too far, despite unclear regulations. That said it must be satisfying that it worked so good in the end. After all the work and effort that is a revard. Take it as a proof of success that it was too good for the competition and all the best with the new build.

 

When they want to regulate anything that could limit the pluralism in the field they should limit the gearing. 

 

 

[BuggyDad 5904]

On 9/21/2024 at 11:18 AM, wtcc5 said:

Stay alert for the upcoming Tamico-Offroad-Cup-MadCap build 

Very much looking forward to this! 

I'm doing one with homemade parts too. It won't be a patch on yours, obvs, and thanks in advance for the ideas I'll likely steal! 😉

Your Fox is a sure TC car of the year contender. What a thing it is. But I guess this goes hand in hand with it being judged as unfair competition in a series with some vintage type rules. 

[wtcc5 5758]

Thanks for your views on this topic!

I am happy to be able to show more pictures of the finals here. A big thanks to Oliver Lowig who not only made these fantastic shots, but also allowed me to show them here. As this will be an event to remember for a long time, I am very grateful for these pictures:

[Aurigarius 6]

On 9/21/2024 at 12:18 PM, wtcc5 said:

Just before the last finals Jörg U. Bach a very unsympathetic and "knows-it-all" guy who had the idea for this series, came to my tent, very angry. He lectured me about my car with some confused arguments, like my car is 30cm wide, outside the rules, should be disqualified, some guys don't want to come to races anymore, because of it, I destroyed the RCKleinserie with my TT-02 conversions... and then took off again. That was a kind of surprise, because up to that time nobody came to me to tell me he dislikes the car. It was even the opposite. After several of the finals four or five guys assembled around my stationary buggy, smiling and discussing, then congratulating me. I even had fan club of children cheering my car every time it blasted through the fast corner next to them. A very positive attitude in contrast to the ugly monologue Jörg had in mind. Also none of the drivers with me on the drivers gantry talked to me about that.

I won the last final in record time and and enjoyed the award ceremony:

 

Edit: In his wrath Jörg now changed the rules. So consider this car:

 

Well thats quite some race-report. This has brought to my attention by fellow-TOC racers.
I have no idea what you want to achieve with this posting. Why try to portray me so badly in public before talking to me once and why ou even mention my name here.
So that's the kind of "sportsman" you are?

Are you trying to make a sensational headline here that will get you more clicks at the expense of others?
So why do you feel it's good to tell this tragedy here? It's all just as creatively invented as your RC creations, which is a real shame.

Your car was neither banned nor were you disqualified. Because you won first place, right? 
Above all, I have never been angry and I have never raised my voice. People who were there or know me from the races know that the person you are describing can not be me.
I am still not angry but deeply disappointed.

I came to you to tell you in a friendly and calm tone that the car did not comply with the regulations because of it's width. All the other things were ok, but the widened wishbones were not, as the standard parts have to be used there. Since you're a clever guy, you knew before that your car didn't comply with the regulations, but you still went ahead to beat standard Foxes, Wild Ones and DT-01 with your spaceship. Well done.

You weren't disqualified, because it's a fun race series and we don't think it suits the series to disqualify drivers. So I don't understand why you're telling this story here.

It would certainly have been a good idea if you had contacted the race organisation before, if you weren't sure whether your car was ok or not. It would certainly have shown some character to talk to us personally if you don't like something. You chose to write this fairy tale instead. People can make up their own mind about that, but I'm sure your fans will still love you.

I have often praised your work for the innovation and craftsmanship. I am sure you remember that. But your behaviour here has to be one of the worst things I can remember in decades of organising races. Thats quite an archievement for you. I won't make any more comments here now. You probably know where to reach me if you would want to. An d it probably should not be in public from now on.

Greetings from the very unsympathetic "knows-it-all" guy.

Edit: "Edit: In his wrath Jörg now changed the rules. "

More lies, more accusations? The rules weren't changed at all. 
We added a description to make it clearer what is meant by "standard lower wishbones". But the rules were there from day one.

Wrath? Thats really ridiculous. 

[MadAnt 300]

3 hours ago, Aurigarius said:

why ou even mention my name here.

That's fair enough, no need to share people's real names on the forums.

3 hours ago, Aurigarius said:

Are you trying to make a sensational headline here that will get you more clicks at the expense of others?
So why do you feel it's good to tell this tragedy here? It's all just as creatively invented as your RC creations, which is a real shame.

To the reader here you are really not helping yourself.

3 hours ago, Aurigarius said:

Your car was neither banned nor were you disqualified. Because you won first place, right? 
Above all, I have never been angry and I have never raised my voice. People who were there or know me from the races know that the person you are describing can not be me.
I am still not angry but deeply disappointed.

I came to you to tell you in a friendly and calm tone that the car did not comply with the regulations because of it's width. All the other things were ok, but the widened wishbones were not, as the standard parts have to be used there. Since you're a clever guy, you knew before that your car didn't comply with the regulations, but you still went ahead to beat standard Foxes, Wild Ones and DT-01 with your spaceship. Well done.

I don't really know what happened, but based on your and the other public statement, which me an outsider can assume is that you are a rule goblin and that letting someone know that their car doesn't comply to the rules due to an external measurement being out of spec before the finals was bad timing on your part. Really cars should be checked by the tech inspector, and failure to find something like that which takes seconds to check is just embarrassing. Of course, I could only guess using the information provided here, but do you check the cars before the races? If so then the issue would have been addressed before any racing for that class ever started.

Now of course you could be trying to get into the OP's head by bothering them right before the final. That's an old trick, which sometimes works when you want your opponent to be off their A game. I was not there and I don't know you, so that idea could be very far from the truth, lol, but would be funny.

 

[scoobybooster 342]

8 hours ago, Aurigarius said:

The rules weren't changed at all. 
We added a description

So what now? This formulation is, at least to my understanding, extremely questionable

[wtcc5 5758]

@Aurigarius: I just wrote it as it has happened. You were angry and hardly allowed me to say anything. And if I did, you cut me off. So, I don’t know what should’ve motivated me to speak to you again in person (the same day).

Seeing on Fb and at Kinzigtal how you reacted to criticism to your new race format idea, didn’t left an impression that you like discussions about topics you already have a opinion to, too.

 

[Aurigarius 6]

I was never angry (Trust me - you haven't seen me angry.) There is not even a reason to be. Why should I be angry because of your car? That is really ridiculous.
I did talk to you in a calm and friendly manner, explaining to you why we (the TOC orgateam, which is not only me) did think the car is not legal. You did not even want to talk to me because you were on your way to your race (which was ok). So the complete talk was max. 3 minutes.

Your description of that very brief talk is just untrue and I can not see any reason to drag me through the dirt here including dropping names etc. You can of course have your own opinion about me or the rules. But what you started here is just very bad behaviour.
Where do we end up if we - instead of discussing it like adults do - would spread lies! in a public forum and talk badly about others, like you do? Is that the way you want to make a name for yourself?

[GToddC5 2024]

^ The way I see it, you had it out for this car on your very first post of only four here total - all in this thread. It's not hard to see that you have been against this car for some time, which makes his side of the story more believable than yours. He's also a skilled, seasoned member that has shared a ton here. Your narcissistic, dramatic response and defense reads very poorly against your credit. Is this the way you want to make a name for yourself?

[Aurigarius 6]

Collection of lies and "alternative facts"

"Car is banned" - WRONG. Just mount the correct suspension parts and all is fine.
"should be disqualified" - WRONG - as I said. we don't disqualify people in that series. It was not even mentioned.
"knows it all guy" - WRONG - I never knew there could be sportsmen like that. But even I in my unlimited wisdom do learn new things all the time 
"very angry" - just WRONG, as discribed before. Nobody has ever seen me angry at a race-meeting.
"He lectured me about my car with some confused arguments, like my car is 30cm wide" - WRONG. The 30cm statement was never made by me. It was posted by someone else in the official FB-Group. You can still look it up. I am not confused...maybe you are because you are mixing up things here.
"I destroyed the RCKleinserie with my TT-02 conversions" - WRONG - I did not even mention that series. I don't have anything to do with that series and I did not start in that series for over 2 years and I don't care what you do there. But I have seen that phrase posted in the official FB-group by someone else. So again - mixing things up here.
"In his wrath Jörg now changed the rules." - apart from that absolutely ridiculous wording, this is WRONG again, as anyone can see on the official website. Rules were not changed since day one.
"You were angry and hardly allowed me to say anything. And if I did, you cut me off" - again WRONG - you did not have time to talk to me because of your upcoming race (and not enough character to talk to me or Joachim about your car before or after the race) I wouldn't have cut you off because I would have been very interested how you thought your car was legal.

I really hate to argue this way. I feel it is all very bad...mostly for you. You should have kept all this clean and about your cars and not attack people in public. 

[RichieRich 799]

Gentlemen, I feel like this can be handled via private message. Give it a shot and let us know how it turns out. 

[wtcc5 5758]

Thanks @RichieRich . I see it like you. The car had its development and it is completed. And this is what this thread is for only.

[scoobybooster 342]

As an outsider, it is simply impossible to know what happened. 

Well, from my point of view - as a former race participant (albeit a long time ago) I would like to add the following:

There are rules and tech inspection at every race.
If my car has passed the technical inspection, I can assume that I am driving in accordance with the rules. 
If the rules are set up in such a way that they are not clearly defined and leave room for interpretation, that is not the competitor's problem. Equally, if the technical inspection is lousy or does not take place at all due to laziness, this cannot be the competitor's problem either.