58742 Hornet Evo coming!

[Badcrumble 4406]

Tamiyausa post on insta with a short video says this is coming 'early December"

[SlideWRX 883]

I keep seeing "The 0.7mm thick polycarbonate body has the same classic body shape as previous versions" - What is the thickness of the current Hornet body?  It sounds like this will be a more durable version...

I love that this is coming out but I hate that we have to wait so long...

[Raman36 1700]

On 7/18/2024 at 11:59 PM, Kowalski86 said:

On paper the rear motor setup/shorter wheelbase will mean more grip in the dirt, slightly twitchier handling, and a front end that will basically weight nothing. The Hornet Evo might even do wheelies with enough power and a LiPO.

 I'd like to see this same treatment done to the ORV chassis and Wild One next, those could really use a more robust gearbox/axles.

What they all need is a proper differential, either ball bearing or oil filled 

[ThunderDragonCy 8116]

2 hours ago, Raman36 said:

What they all need is a proper differential, either ball bearing or oil filled 

DT02 trans has a ball diff option

[hamtaro 101]

Just hope that they didn't spend all their development budget on this mashup which is what it is instead of fixing the flaws in the td2/4 chassis. They need something in buggy line better than entry level and newer than df03 and not exotic priced and old like egress/avante.  Top force doesn't count as it's design is older than df03 and has its own flaws...having raced an og top force and owning an og tf Evo they need something new

[Raman36 1700]

6 hours ago, ThunderDragonCy said:

DT02 trans has a ball diff option

Was referring to the re-re’s.  ORV, FAV/ WO, Grasshopper and Hornet all use an open gear diff. 

[kyosho1 88]

On 7/18/2024 at 9:22 PM, Wandy said:

I must have missed it when people were clamouring for a Hornet with a different rear end bolted on to it. 

Here we are, patiently waiting for a 959, Blazer, Ranger XLT, Falcon & Avante 2001, and then they go and do this. They are a strange company sometimes. When was the last genuinely exciting vintage release that they did? The Egress? Mountain Rider? Since then, nothing to get people in a frenzy.

Part of the Hornet’s charm is how elegantly simple the design is. Nothing cluttered or out of place. This new version seems to undo that design completely.

Knowing me though I will still end up buying one. 

Btw, for those waiting for the re-release of Avante 2001, I recalled that when Tamiya first re-released the Egress, they had also re-released the Avante 2001 bodyshell as well. 

[SlideWRX 883]

At the 1 hour 20 mark they show some more bits & pieces.

https://www.youtube.com/live/_LSJe_a_hHQ?feature=shared

 

[shenlonco 1173]

16 minutes ago, SlideWRX said:

At the 1 hour 20 mark they show some more bits & pieces.

https://www.youtube.com/live/_LSJe_a_hHQ?feature=shared

Kind of looks to me like they could have did better, it just looks like it was thrown together real fast to make a new hornet to sell them like crazy.  To me the rear looks like it could have been done better and the front shocks the way they are is like it has hardly any suspension travel I know you could have made this better for sure.
Still pretty cool and a must have!

[Wheel_Nut 365]

3 hours ago, Raman36 said:

Was referring to the re-re’s.  ORV, FAV/ WO, Grasshopper and Hornet all use an open gear diff. 

There is a MIP differential for the Monster beetle.  Since it has one gear tooth more than those other buggies and also larger bearing size, it's not a direct swap.   I keep thinking about custom gear case to adapt the MIP diff into the Wild One and some highly custom applications as well.   It would be a good topic for another thread!

[matisse 1607]

Kinda interested to see what the inevitable MS version looks like. He always seems to showcase his own Hop-Upped version of each buggy in his own colours. 
 

also easy to see that there is still plenty of room for modifications to be had here.

[Wandy 1555]

6 hours ago, kyosho1 said:

Btw, for those waiting for the re-release of Avante 2001, I recalled that when Tamiya first re-released the Egress, they had also re-released the Avante 2001 bodyshell as well. 

Yeah I picked up a few of them back then. But it's no good having the body without the unique wheels, tyres and bumper. I'd also like a kit box for the boxart.

[Mokei Kagaku 2909]

21 hours ago, nowinaminute said:

Great to see. Shame it's taken years of amazing fan creations, and I doubt people will officially get the credit they are due, so let's hear it for @Pintopower

 

With all due respect, but among others, I think Grahoo was one of the first, possibly even THE first. His Grasshopper 4IS dates back to 2002 and If I recall correctly, he experimented with fully independent suspension and other heavy modifications on the Grasshopper even before that. There sure are several other fans that deserve credit for the Hornet Evo.'s existence (to the extent that Tamiya was inspired by them), but Grahoo is surely among the ones who definitely deserve credit. 

Here the documented evidence of the 4IS' existence in 2002: https://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=3258&id=418

Also, I think Panda is worth mentioning, considering that the Cyclone dates back to the late '80's. OK, so it was a Hornet clone and it had several flaws and the parts were manufactured to a lower standard, but with the Cyclone, Panda managed to create a much improved version at a competitive price and with technically relatively simple and robust modifications. The Cyclone is in my humble opinion the "high-performance" version of the Grasshopper the Hornet should have been back then.  

 

[lentner3 328]

On 7/20/2024 at 8:42 AM, ThunderDragonCy said:

Not obvious flames, but definitely flame like?

 

Not flame like in the slightest. The Super Hornet decals are AWSOME, like tears, the evo are making me wanna vom. 

[lentner3 328]

On 7/20/2024 at 8:42 AM, ThunderDragonCy said:

a thing of beauty

[nowinaminute 3320]

3 hours ago, Mokei Kagaku said:

With all due respect, but among others, I think Grahoo was one of the first, possibly even THE first.

I was talking more specifically about the improved battery door retention (which Tamiya themselves implemented on the Super Hornet but didn't think to implement on the re-re Hornet or Hopper) 

But also, I said "years of fan creations" and that "I doubt PEOPLE will get the credit THEY are due" 

I wasn't trying to imply Ampro was the first or only person to heavily modify a Hornet. 


 

[Mokei Kagaku 2909]

Most, possibly all of you, know the old photo of the pre-production Super Hornet, but I stumbled over it again on my HD when looking for other Grasshopper- and Hornet-related photos this morning and decided to enlarge the original tiny photo with AI on Artguru. This makes the sponsor stickers look fake, but at least the red CVA's and wheels and multiple other non-production details are a bit easier to see.

[hamtaro 101]

9 hours ago, lentner3 said:

On 7/20/2024 at 7:42 PM, ThunderDragonCy said:

a thing of beauty

So that's where the inspiration for the top force evo color/sticker scheme came from...the hornet

[toyolien 5491]

16 hours ago, SlideWRX said:

At the 1 hour 20 mark they show some more bits & pieces.

https://www.youtube.com/live/_LSJe_a_hHQ?feature=shared

 

They say in that video that the Hornet has sold the most number of kits of any Tamiya buggy. Even more than the Grasshopper. I wouldn't be surprised if they announce a similar Grasshopper 40th in the next few weeks.

[shenlonco 1173]

2 hours ago, toyolien said:

They say in that video that the Hornet has sold the most number of kits of any Tamiya buggy. Even more than the Grasshopper. I wouldn't be surprised if they announce a similar Grasshopper 40th in the next few weeks.

Of curse it did the hornet always kicked ***! One of the coolest looking buggies of all time!

[kontemax 1734]

After years and years of 3D printing they got it.


Max

[nowinaminute 3320]

Hmm definitely very poor travel at the front.

Probably won't matter that much in real world use, but it's still kind of frustrating.

Looks like the arms can just about get parallel to the ground at full compression.....that's pretty much where you want the middle point to be on a typical off road setup.



Definitely my least favourite aspect, even though I know it probably won't matter all that much in practice.

Clearly the original tub was off limits for modifying. The stock towers are so small, and the U bracket mounting solution wastes a fair bit of space, too, so clearly it was the only shock they could use.

 

[nowinaminute 3320]

 

[Tamiyastef 2509]

54 minutes ago, nowinaminute said:

the moulding in the shock tower area is a little different

As @toyolien mentioned earlier in this thread I don't think the moulding was altered but they used the "rising fighter" parts again

[shenlonco 1173]

54 minutes ago, nowinaminute said:

Hmm definitely very poor travel at the front.

Probably won't matter that much in real world use, but it's still kind of frustrating.

Looks like the arms can just about get parallel to the ground at full compression.....that's pretty much where you want the middle point to be on a typical off road setup.



Definitely my least favourite aspect, even though I know it probably won't matter all that much in practice.

Clearly the original tub was off limits for modifying. The stock towers are so small, and the U bracket mounting solution wastes a fair bit of space, too, so clearly it was the only shock they could use.

EDIT: Now I look closer, the moulding in the shock tower area is a little different, so they altered the moulding slightly but didn't think to improve on the shock towers? The sick perverts!!! Whyyyy??

 

Exactly my thoughts! I don't know why they jumble up all that junk on top of the shock body to connect it to the shock tower, if they eliminated it all and hooked the shock top into the shock tower another way you could have gained much more shock travel. I