tamiya 47508 1/10 Porsche 956 coming!

[Superluminal 3970]

23 minutes ago, Dan1891 said:

I think i stick to the Tamiya stickers...They look great to me! Rothmans tobacco, i think i pass.

Im no expert on the liveries and sponsership arrangements but theres plenty of pictures around that do show that the real car had the "Racing" branded livery at somepoint in its history

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/features/car-culture/porsche-stefan-bellof/

[TurboRSR 487]

On 11/29/2024 at 9:06 AM, Superluminal said:

Question for those who have bought the MCI Rothmans stickers - did you select the 956 1/12th set and pick the scale section to 1/10th or is there another set on their I cant find?

https://mciracing.ca/products/1-12th-tam-58042-porsche-956-rm-mk-5-rothmans-decals

 

Or did you get these ones which are for a different livery?

https://mciracing.ca/products/1-10th-porsch-956-rothmans-v2

They do also have a 1/10th set which they added recently: https://mciracing.ca/products/1-10th-tam-47508-porsch-956-roth-decals

[RennsportEd 200]

On 11/21/2024 at 7:09 AM, zuqbu said:

Short answer: Probably licensing fees. The FIA and especially the ACO are extremely protective about their brands and Tamiya didn't fancy paying them a lot of money to get these stickers on a kit with a limited production run.

There were races is the championship that were non-tobacco countries where Porsche were unable to run the Rothmans graphics-that us why you see “Racing” on this car.

[Wez-li 1797]

Ordered mine ages ago (September) but not arrived yet as apparently it's in the second batch which is due 12/12, which is nearer Xmas I suppose.

[EvilSpike 316]

Ask what might be a silly question, but do these cars come with a full set of bearings? I had a quick look through the box before I left home a week back, and I'm sure there were some bearings in there?

I know that the cars require some softer springs up front, and possibly a different shock is advisable but other than that is anything else needed?

[Tamiyastef 2863]

1 hour ago, EvilSpike said:

needed

ESC

[svenb 4430]

10 hours ago, RennsportEd said:

There were races is the championship that were non-tobacco countries where Porsche were unable to run the Rothmans graphics-that us why you see “Racing” on this car.

What countries didn't allow tobacco advertising?

Wasn't all Tobacco sponsorship banned by 2006? It was with F1 and I thought all Motorsport about the same time.

[EvilSpike 316]

16 minutes ago, svenb said:

What countries didn't allow tobacco advertising?

Predominantly it was European countries and Australia that pushed for the ban on advertising. Whilst EU regulators were firmly against the practice, many developing and middle eastern countries were quite happy for the practice to continue and to be receiving cash from tobacco firms. Saudi still had cars running Marlboro and B&H schemes for example, whilst at European rounds the cars were running the same liveries but with either the words removed or replaced. Damon Hill's Jordan F1 was still in B&H yellow and black, but the words Buzzin' Hornets instead of Benson & Hedges. It's worth pointing out that most F1 teams are based in the UK, and that in 2001 the British government tried pushing for an exemption for F1 tobacco sponsorship, unlike in other sports.

I think after 2006 the European governments told the FIM that they'd not be allowed to televise the races if the cars were running tobacco liveries in other places. Soon after, most tobacco firms gave up sponsoring teams, with the exception of Phillip Morris which was still throwing money at Ducati and Ferrari, and in fact still are as far as I know. Any Mission Winnow advertising is still a (non burnt or chewed) tobacco product. BAT (British American Tobacco) also are still throwing money at McLaren with it's A Better Tomorrow slogan. Australia is a huge ally in getting tobacco sponsorship, in fact getting tobacco banned from screens and streets. Funny old thing, but countries with higher corruption levels seem to be the ones that are leading (and mostly) failing the resistance, presumably because it's easier for them to purchase individual politicians at all levels of government.

Give it ten years and I suspect we'll start seeing the first of many deaths due to cancer or other lung related issues by users of electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS) or Heated Tobacco Products. The accelerants and suspension products in vapes are a cocktail of ingredients and we're already seeing people suffering with emphysema, induced asthma and the joyfully termed bubble lung.

 

There's an interesting video on youtube from the archives of the Senate Committees of a session investigating the effects of tobacco and nicotine. I'm at work for the next two weeks and can't get to youtube but if someone can find the video and post it I'd be grateful.

In it, the legal heads of the big four US manufacturers of tobacco all stand up individually in front of senators and categorically state "We do not believe tobacco is carcinogenic, nor is nicotine an addictive substance". This was from (I think) 2003, long after scientists had proven the link between smoking and cancer.

[Siclick33 124]

Crikey, Christmas has definitely come early today.

Earlier this morning my Tamico Avante arrived, and now this has unexpectedly turned up from Amain.

Shipping took almost 2 weeks but no complaints at $17. Total was £160 including all taxes and shipping to the UK 😀

[svenb 4430]

@EvilSpike

Interesting but the 956 was early-mid 80's , twenty years before the ban.

I've never seen a 80's photo of a 956 with the words RACING instead of ROTHMANS, but I'm not expert and happy to see a period picture with that livery 

[Kpowell911 2293]

21 hours ago, Superluminal said:

Im no expert on the liveries and sponsership arrangements but theres plenty of pictures around that do show that the real car had the "Racing" branded livery at somepoint in its history

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/features/car-culture/porsche-stefan-bellof/

@svenb is the third picture there not an old picture of it with Racing Livery?

[RennsportEd 200]

3 hours ago, Kpowell911 said:

@svenb is the third picture there not an old picture of it with Racing Livery?

That’s because there were races in countries that did not allow tobacco sponsorship-Germany and Britain for example.

[Kpowell911 2293]

8 minutes ago, RennsportEd said:

That’s because there were races in countries that did not allow tobacco sponsorship-Germany and Britain for example.

Yes I get why was just showing a picture of the original car with Racing livery

[RennsportEd 200]

17 hours ago, svenb said:

What countries didn't allow tobacco advertising?

Wasn't all Tobacco sponsorship banned by 2006? It was with F1 and I thought all Motorsport about the same time.

Britain and Germany if I remember correctly.

[svenb 4430]

18 hours ago, Kpowell911 said:

@svenb is the third picture there not an old picture of it with Racing Livery?

It is, well spotted, I watched the video of it and even the overalls had Racing on them

A good read too👍🏻

[Dan1891 289]

So you can say that both Tamiya's Racing livery and the Rothmans are preriod correct then!?

[svenb 4430]

34 minutes ago, Dan1891 said:

So you can say that both Tamiya's Racing livery and the Rothmans are preriod correct then!?

Looks like it but I won't be using the RACING stickers

[Dan1891 289]

[EvilSpike 316]

22 hours ago, svenb said:

Interesting but the 956 was early-mid 80's , twenty years before the ban.

I've never seen a 80's photo of a 956 with the words RACING instead of ROTHMANS, but I'm not expert and happy to see a period picture with that livery 

I don't think it is period correct, the Racing livery is a modern addition to an old car. Cars which are being used on circuit get repainted over and over again, either through shunts or thin aluminium or fibreglass failing. The photos on the linked to article are all recent photos because the 956 is pictured alongside a (thoroughly modern, hybrid powered) Porsche 919 Evo.

I'm sure the rules around historic racing are somewhat different, I've a friend who works on classic race cars and he often posts pictures on our group chat. The company he works for maintains two Tyrrell P34's in Elf livery, and some Mclarens in Marlboro paint and something else in Skoal Bandit colours. These all get raced, and raced hard around circuits such as Jerez, Portimao and Spa, but I'm not certain it'll be televised anywhere except for on very niche channels on the internet. I guess ultimately, none of the tobacco companies are giving any money to these very rich individuals to race the cars, which will probably circumnavigate some of the laws governing sponsorship.

I'm absolutely certain that Porsche would not have allowed Tamiya to sell the kit with Rothmans stickers on the side however, like Lotus wouldn't allow Tamiya to sell a Europa with JPS stickers. A company can't be seen to be contravening public health laws so flagrantly.

 

In a slightly tangential subject, the very respected MotoGP journalist David Emmet (www.motomatters.com) has written an interesting article about energy drink sponsorship. In short Red Bull, Monster et al. currently sponsor every rider and team in the MotoGP paddock, and a huge swath of other sports. Unarguably almost every country in the world is suffering from obesity issues, in some it could well be considered a crisis. Although it's more noticeable in North America and to a lesser extent Europe, the vast number of premature deaths are happening in China, India and Brazil. High sugar drinks are a significant contributor to the problems and he believes that sooner or later the energy drink manufacturers are going to be in the spotlight, much like tobacco companies. His article deals more with the fall out from when teams in the paddock all simultaneously loose their largest source of revenue, but it might mean that one day the modern r/c models we are making and driving today with energy drink sponsors will have similar, vague wording and empty flanks where once bulls and claw marks inhabited.

[bavee 1195]

17 minutes ago, EvilSpike said:

I don't think it is period correct, the Racing livery is a modern addition to an old car. Cars which are being used on circuit get repainted over and over again, either through shunts or thin aluminium or fibreglass failing. The photos on the linked to article are all recent photos because the 956 is pictured alongside a (thoroughly modern, hybrid powered) Porsche 919 Evo.

It really is period correct. Look at this video for example:

 

[EvilSpike 316]

I can't see the video, I'm at work on a ship for a few weeks and the companies IT policy blocks any kind of video streaming.

But ok, that's news to me. You learn something new every day! Which track was is shot at and in what year? I'll have a watch when I get home later.

[Dan1891 289]

8 minutes ago, bavee said:

It really is period correct. Look at this video for example:

 

its a bit funny though, they are refering to the Rothmans Porsche in this video!

[bavee 1195]

3 hours ago, EvilSpike said:

I can't see the video, I'm at work on a ship for a few weeks and the companies IT policy blocks any kind of video streaming.

But ok, that's news to me. You learn something new every day! Which track was is shot at and in what year? I'll have a watch when I get home later.

It's Stefan Bellof's 1983 Ringrecord on the old Nurburgring.

[Superluminal 3970]

All it needs is the high downforce wing and then the stickers are correct for the 1983 Nurburgring cars

I cant find anything to show it with the low wing without a Rothmans livery

[Superluminal 3970]

On that same video

The car behind looks like the black dashes are what would have been a Marlboro livery so I assume tobacco advertising in Germany was banned in the very early 80s?