M05/6 vs M07

[phiber_optik 99]

I had my mind set on an M07 as a quality build but I also love running my vehicles (car park run around cones normally with my son and his cars. We’ve have a collection but normally it’s a TT02, GF01 and a soon to be retired while it’s still in one piece M03)

I totally understand the M07 is the better kit but how does it fair in car park bashing vs an M05 or M06 (no preference for either FWD or RWD).

Thoughts and advice welcome. 

[Honza 1167]

In a local rally championship, there's a guy who attends with an M-07. It works fine, the only thing that need to be taken care of is hole under pinion on the bottom of the chassis.

[Gebbly 793]

Is spare part availability a consideration? Is it easier to get M-07 spares as it is a newer kit?

[sosidge 669]

In a car park I'd choose an M-05 or M-06 every time because the M-07 has a lower ride height and is designed for smooth, well prepared tracks.

[Kowalski86 4270]

I prefer RWD, so I'd go with the M06. The M07 is a better chassis in almost every way except for ground clearance...and being FWD. The M07 probably couldn't clear a tiny pebble without modifications.

If you liked your M03, the M05 is very similar with only a few minor changes. It's still more or less a brick with gears in it.

[alvinlwh 7226]

1 hour ago, Gebbly said:

Is spare part availability a consideration? Is it easier to get M-07 spares as it is a newer kit?

Both the 05 and 06 are still current so no problems getting spares for them.

[Honza 1167]

3 hours ago, sosidge said:

because the M-07 has a lower ride height and is designed for smooth, well prepared tracks.

It has longer arms, oil filled diff and oil shocks, which is better for off-road. Ride height is mostly matter of dampers and sometimes cutting parts that limit droop, if you want to go to the limits. Plus, after some modifications, you can fit XM-01 uprights to effectively create an "RA" version.

2 hours ago, Kowalski86 said:

I prefer RWD, so I'd go with the M06.

There's RWD version of M-07: M-08.

[Alex97 474]

1 hour ago, alvinlwh said:

Both the 05 and 06 are still current so no problems getting spares for them.

They've stopped releasing new kits using the M05-M06, spares will still be good for another 10+ years however it's something to consider.

[Pylon80 3650]

M-05/M-06 spares are fine, but hop-ups are a bit thin on the ground now. And the basic kits need them (steering upgrades mainly). If you go off brand there are still some Yeah Racing parts although I haven't tried them.

The 7 being lower than the 5 is a tough skinned myth, you set it to where you want it like any car, as others have mentioned. I use 6mm height for unprepared parking lots but that is just me. Unless "car park" means some gnarly surface roughness requiring rally modifications 6mm should get you going nicely.

Let us know what you pick!

[JatoTheRipper 95]

I love my M-07!  The hole in the chassis with tape covering it is a cheap and stupid engineering solution though.  I created and uploaded a chassis plug to Shapeways, but that company when bankrupt in the US.  I read today that they reopened in Europe.

 

https://www.shapeways.com/product/SEVSZVNE6/tamiya-m-07-concept-chassis-plug

[Rinskie 1015]

I run my M08 in my apartment parking lot but it's new with hardly any small rocks or other debris (read best case scenario). I have run the car in other parking lot and it sucks. The poor thing gets upset by random rocks knocking it off course and the scratching sound of Tamiya blue getting removed from aluminum parts makes me sick to my stomach. As much as I like my M08, if I were to do it over again and needed something to run in a normal parking lot I would go with a buggy and street tires. I am not a fan of large scratches on the bottom of the car. 

 

[Andreas W 2507]

There was another thread a while ago about the same, so I thought I had said what I needed there,  but it turns out there is more. 

 

Even though I love my M-05 and now sitting in a greenhouse throwing rocks after splurging even more out on it: In this time and age and with what I now know there is no sensible way outside an M-07 given you start from scratch. With the prices here in Norway things are like this: By the time you have equipped your M-05 with bearings, pinion,  shocks and steering you are beyond the cost of an M-07, which basically only needs a body and better tyres (the latter goes for the M-05 as well).

 

After putting that money into the M-05 you still have an ABS chassis only accepting round packs (unless you change for the Ver 2 chassis or file the tunnel like I did, so you can fit Gens Ace shorty), no droop screws (unless Ver 2) and you can max run a 20t pinion (unless you opt for the 3racing fast gear set). The M-07 and M-08 goes up to 24t pinion, so even with a Torque tuned motor you get decent speed on 2S.

 

I run my M-08 wherever I run my M-05. If the tarmac is not even enough I run 60D tyres. My M-08 has internal spacers in the shocks. The M-05 was built without them. If you skip the spacers and add preload collars if necessary you should get the needed ground clearance. 

 

Edit 1: My M-08 has only got a Yeah Racing chassis brace with fan mount and stabilizers. Otherwise it's stock. The M-05 I got in 2013 while beeing home with my baby daughter, but it was built in 2022 after hoarding hopups over the years. Meanwhile the M-07 was launched, but then the pile of parts had grown so big there was just to pull the trigger and buld it. Without having calculated anything I know the M-05 ows me more than an M-08 R (a few shops here still have them). 

 

Edit 2: if you choose the body carefully you can run full size touring car wheels, which is good for the gearing and the ground clearance. 

 

If more money is ready to be burnt you can always opt for the new XM-01 Pro and don't worry about the ground clearance . 

[alvinlwh 7226]

14 hours ago, Alex97 said:

They've stopped releasing new kits using the M05-M06, spares will still be good for another 10+ years however it's something to consider.

Knowing Tamiya, in 10 years time, they will be releasing a M-05 Ver. III R Pro S Limited. 

[Verskis 406]

2 hours ago, alvinlwh said:

Knowing Tamiya, in 10 years time, they will be releasing a M-05 Ver. III R Pro S Limited. 

That would be nice

 

So far I have been able to buy all the other hopups for my M-05, but the ver. II aluminium motor mount 54609 seems to be discontinued and out of stock everywhere.

[phiber_optik 99]

This is all very interesting, I had worked out that an M05 would cost about the same as an M07 by the time you added the required upgrades.

But the whole running it on a car park is what got me, good to know the M07 can gain some ground clearance which would solve my concern. Plug the hole in the chassis and play away.
 

The car parks and drive I use are both pretty fresh, so hopefully a M07 will cope, else there’s the 60D options and if all else fails full size wheels. 

[toyolien 5902]

57 minutes ago, phiber_optik said:

This is all very interesting, I had worked out that an M05 would cost about the same as an M07 by the time you added the required upgrades.

But the whole running it on a car park is what got me, good to know the M07 can gain some ground clearance which would solve my concern. Plug the hole in the chassis and play away.
 

The car parks and drive I use are both pretty fresh, so hopefully a M07 will cope, else there’s the 60D options and if all else fails full size wheels. 

Be sure to do a build thread. The M-07 is a great car!

[phiber_optik 99]

A build thread will absolutely be done come the time 😃

[Losi XXT-CR 469]

Curious, how does the MB-01 chassis stack up against the M05 and M07?

[Andreas W 2507]

5 hours ago, alvinlwh said:

Knowing Tamiya, in 10 years time, they will be releasing a M-05 Ver. III R Pro S Limited. 

I thought that the M-05 was ready for it's first round of re release in let's say a 5 years time . 

[Kowalski86 4270]

32 minutes ago, Losi XXT-CR said:

Curious, how does the MB-01 chassis stack up against the M05 and M07?

Compared to the M05 the MB-01 is easier to work on, the motor/battery is better protected, and it can fit more types of batteries.

On the downside, it's both sloppier and heavier, like the TT02 it is first and foremost a cheap body holder.

The M07 is better all around than either of them (good plastic, real shocks, bearings), its just lower to the ground than the other two in a class where you're already looking at low ground clearance.

[Alex97 474]

6 hours ago, alvinlwh said:

Knowing Tamiya, in 10 years time, they will be releasing a M-05 Ver. III R Pro S Limited. 

That's too much effort to create something "new"

The most we'd get is a M05 Re release! 

[alvinlwh 7226]

Right, back to the original question... @phiber_optik how much will you baby your chassis? Here are 2 examples of low cars that are used on unclean car park. 

Both are great chassis, much better than the 05, but they do take a hammering if driven outside. If you do not care, the 07 will be good. Or if you want to, you can consider 3R, Xpress... Just to name a few. 

[Verskis 406]

14 hours ago, alvinlwh said:

 

 

This is the way all RC cars should look like 

[qatmix 824]

20 hours ago, Losi XXT-CR said:

Curious, how does the MB-01 chassis stack up against the M05 and M07?

The MB01 is a better kit than the M05. Handles better straight out of the box than the M05. 
 

The M07 is superior to both though. Really needs no upgrades to be a superb Carpark runner, or club racer. 

[phiber_optik 99]

20 hours ago, alvinlwh said:

Right, back to the original question... @phiber_optik how much will you baby your chassis? Here are 2 examples of low cars that are used on unclean car park. 

Both are great chassis, much better than the 05, but they do take a hammering if driven outside. If you do not care, the 07 will be good. Or if you want to, you can consider 3R, Xpress... Just to name a few. 

I don’t baby my cars, if they get battered they get battered as long as there is spares available though I hate breaking a car lol. My concern with the 3Racing and Xpress is the exposed gears. I have ran a mardave on foams outside and never had issues though but it’s direct drive. 
 

Would it break my heart in the long run on a 3R etc?