Snetterton update 1

[BiggusDitchus]

Moosey can you confirm with Trevor exactly what his problem with us trading is? Maybe we could come to some arrangement with him? I presume he is aware that we are only trading vintage parts that he hasnt got in shop and that not selling to public but just within the club?

[kawazx9]

here here rich

[Tipsy]

Im not going to be put off by a lack of trading, if that is the end result? Im going 'cos I want a fun weekend, driving all the runners that maybe cant be run at Clumber. And meeting up with other members that cant make the smaller gatherings that occur locally. If there is no trading, means there is more driving. Im still hoping for both days of running whatever the outcome. Lets have some driving fun!!

How many people get to have full on racing with classic Tamiyas. I cant wait to get there!

I think Paul and Mark have done a great job getting it all arranged. And credit goes to them for the all the work they are putting into this.

By the way, does that mean the PurpleBugsy/Moosey cafe wont be trading with hot drinks in the mornings either!!

[wriggleandgiggle]

Rules are rules people and we have to respect them. Rules, however are designed to be 'worked around'

How about this:

Someone starts a post about Snetterton trades.

People compose a list of what they are taking and post it.

Those interested in doing a trade print off the post/write it down.

Anyone with a trade posted on here wear a badge with your Tamiyaclub name on it on the day.

If two people decide on a trade, simply get in your cars, drive to the nearest petrol station/little chef... DO the trade and drive back again. A pain in the neck but much better than getting Tamiyaclub kicked off never to darken the doorstep of Snetterton again.

Just a thought

[Sonic]

Good point Paul, we must be the only people in todays r/c family that can actually race cars like the Sand Scorcher against another around an official Tamiya track. Trading is just an added bonus to the event.

I'll still be there [].

Lee.

[kawazx9]

what a great idea paul, with that in mind i think iwill now come again [][]

[Moosey]

Sorry guys, But I can't confirm anything. As I'm not the one dealing with Snetterton direct. Paul has been doing all the talking.

I am a bit saddend by the response to this 'NO TRADING' As it's not the end of the world.

I DON'T agree with it myself, But I'm not letting it spoil my w'end.

TRADING CAN BE DONE ALL YEAR ROUND in my book.

Bigggus said it ALL for me, It's about having FUN & thrashing the A*SE off everything you bring![]

Me & Paul are arranging this weekend for YOU! (& ourselves[])

And, It feels a bit like a kick in the teeth when you start wanting to go somewhere else on the Sunday! What's the point of booking a TRACK!!!

I know trading is a part of it all, And if we keep it 'LOW KEY' like I've said before. I don't think he will have a problem with that.

From what Paul has said, Parts are not so much a problem as long as they are not stacked up outside cars etc. Kits, Cars on show for sale are a NO, NO!!!

I know it's a bit vague, But I can only go by what Paul has told me.

If you remember last year, It was a trading FRENZY!!!! I have never seen so many cars, parts for sale! It's was TOP! But, That's maybe what's spoilt it all for this year?!

I'm just stabbing at reasons here?!??

Instead of thinking about what you want to trade, Think about getting those runners sorted! And, how your gonna beat me & Paul on track![][][]

[netsmithUK]

Like I said before, if its no trading, its no trading. Its then a race/display/get together day, which people can come to if they like or not if they don't want to. Its not worth anyone getting worked up over it. If you don't wont to come thats fine, there will be other events.

If we can find another venue later in the year, we will make sure trading is no problem and take it from there.

That said, if this thread raises any points that Paul can put to the host with regard, limits or the fact its all vintage stuff, etc then thats not a bad thing. A clearer defination of what we can and can't do would be good.

Last year the only main problem as I remember is one member from a Tamiya sponsored display team turned up, with tables and an awning and set up a make shift shop with loads of NIB current kits. They asked him to take it down and he did. Lots of other people traded lots of other stuff with no problems that I was aware of. If they are up for the same amount this time (minus anyone setting up a shop) then I can't see there will be a problem.

Cheers

Chris

[Bibbo]

I think "No trading" is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!!..[8)]

It just spoils it because it puts rules on a fun weekend. It's just a typical English attitude for someone to come up with silly strict rules to ruin it. It's not so much the loss of the trading as the fact that our weekend is governed by stupid rules. I mean this is complete nonsense about being against the law and that we will take trade away from his shop. I did'nt even see his shop last year, was it open?.

I feel really sorry for you guys who have organised the weekend. To be honest I am not so interested to come because I won't enjoy something that much if it's all governed by strict silly rules. Specially if the off-road track is as bad as last year.

I just hope this rule situation changes and that the circuit owner see's sense before March.

[netsmithUK]

I guess my main concern is if its not clear, and someone does something which they don't like - that they close the event down.

You've then got a lot of people come a long way, booked accomodation etc and majorly disappointed.

The more from them we can get in terms of guidelines the better for everyone. These can then be listed here and people can decide wether to come or not.

Bottom line is

- Those that are coming, don't hassle people that now don't want to

- Those that aren't coming don't hassle the ones that are going

We all have our reasons...

[Tipsy]

Chris, do you think the Breckland will mind a bit of car park racing!!.

Could be good if they have floodlights!

[Wireless]

REalistically guys, who is going to know you are trading...? A load of kits stacked in a car is no proof whatsoever. If people show up with a stall and/or stuff stickered up with prices and are openly accepting cash then we will fall foul of the rules, everyone gets thrown out and I will be on the rampage[!]. BUT if we DO NOT ALLOW this and only 'private' deals ie: sit in the car to exchange the money / model etc then it's not going to be an issue as far as I can see.

For me the trading is not really an issue - I'm there for the whole social event, meeting like minded idiots, [:I] erm - I mean collectors and having a play with some toys so perhaps I'm taking a lighter view but come on. Keep the trading discreet and it won't be a problem.

Any that show up looking like professional traders are going to ruin it for us, trading out the back seats of cars (get your mind out the gutter...!!!) I don't think will be a problem and like W&G said, go up to the petrol station or up to the entrance of the (full size) race circuit or even the hotel. Perhaps make your deals during the day then pay and collect later. We're all adults and can (hopefully) trust each other enough to show up and make the exchange later. Anyone that takes the pi$$ will be publicly flogged - simple []

As Chris says, some of us are going a long way and have invested heavily (I'm up to well the other side of £300 already and I haven't even bought the beer yet...![:0])

I think after bashing this discussion we need a set of do's and dont's that everybody has to abide by NO EXCEPTIONS...! We can then effectively police the event ourselves because it only takes two doing a public trade of something the owners don't like and we're all done for.

[Wireless]

From what I remember Paul, the car park at Breckland isn't that big and there's a fair bit of traffic with people going to and from the pub, especially Friday and Sat night. Might be worth a look though.

Roop

quote:Originally posted by Tipsy

Chris, do you think the Breckland will mind a bit of car park racing!!.

Could be good if they have floodlights!

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[Dazmeister]

The guy that runs the shop can be a bit of a pain and I have a little story to tell you. As you may or may not know I do a bit of Tamiya Eurocup racing and we have Cheshire models come to each round and they have basically every part you would ever need and plenty of them. In 2002 we visited Snetterton for a round but Cheshire models could not take their mobile shop as it would take business away from the site shop. Fair enough but the guy never ordered any relative spares for us (or they never arrived on time) so a complete lack of spares for that meeting and no tyres [!] - genius ! I even overheard him say that to a punter that Tamiya's are **** and you should buy a Losi [:0]

Anyway keep the trading low key and remember all my cars have a price []

[kawazx9]

i am sorry moosey if you feel as though you have been kicked in the teeth by all that has been said after all your hard work. It was never my intention to make you feel like that. It is just that it will be my first tamiya club meet and i was so looking forward to meeting like minded people who wont ridicule me for my hobby. Unfortunatly i get a great deal of pleasure from trading, which is 1 of the reasons i was coming along. How ever as chris has said if we make sure there is no blatant trading as a shop/market stall with modern kits then hopefully the owners wont get aggitated and throw us all out. So fingers crossed that everyone will be sensible with thier trading so that we dont get any hassle from the owners.

[vintagejack]

Guys,

As far as I can see this all a big fuss about nothing. All it amounts to is no professional trading, i.e no stalls and open pricing, having said that, i`m sure there would not be a probelm with discreet trading as mentioned before. This is no disaster and I for one am really looking forward to it. I`m sure that through socialising any "wanted" and "available" items will be discussed and plenty of trades possible! lets not go from one extereme to another, I doubt they will be concearned as long as it is low key.

Can`t wait to get there.Thanks for organising it!!

[Wireless]

I have thought about this all evening considering all the trading laws and such. I have come to the conclusion that this guy is full of the proverbial. We have hired the circuit and on those two days it's not open to the public. In effect, it's a 100% private event and therefore trading is perfectly legal. The fact that we are using his facility is not germain to the situation. It's a bit of a poor show that he's trying to put the frighteners on us like that. It's not something you'd say without being sure either - unless you were just trying to bully someone. [V] I know it's his facility and therefore he can play God, but you thought he'd leave us to our own devices with stuff like that.

At the end of the day it's his loss. There's a fine facility there and he's willing to have us all think he's a miserable git because he won't let us trade personally stuff that hasn't been in stores for years. Anyways, that's all by the by because them's the brakes right now.

Paul and Mark you have every right to be proud of what you have organised. There's no teeth kicking from this side of the penines []. Don't feel bad (even though I know you will because you want everyone to have a great time) Don't worry - everybody will - that is until I have you crying into your beer when I win the Blackfoot race []

Roop

PS : Anyone bringing PMR446 Walkie Talkies...? UKClaire and I will have ours. Heh heh wireless trading. [}]

quote:Originally posted by Moosey

2 reasons he states.. It's against the law & his shop is right at the side of the track.

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[PurpleBugsy]

Right Guys n Galls.

Firstly I would like to apologise to Mark for all the stick and some harsh comments he has recieved over what i asked him to put cos my PC was down, so sorry Mark

Second, yes there can be some trading but Trevor (owner of track) did say it had to be very low key meaning, NO FOR SALE sighns and big boxes of spares out side of the cars and NO NIB KITS.

There is nothing saying that you cannot trade at all but just dont let it be in your face material, as you can exchange money in the car and show people stuff without having 20 cars about all lined up with price tags on em.

All I am saying is just use your heads on this chaps cos I am not going to let it spoil my weekend or anybody elses for that matter.

There is not a lot more I can do as its out of my hands and me and mark are working hard for this weekend so come on do the same.

Once again sorry to Mark, Cheers lad.[8)]

[gunpowder17]

Does that mean im gonna have to cancel the plane i was gonna have flying over,towing a banner with my for sale list! []

Just trying to lighten the mood chaps []

[BiggusDitchus]

I for one would like to thank Paul and Mark for all the hard work they have put in for us all, and am saddened to at others attitude when this problem is not their fault. Trading will still happen so I cant really see what the problem is, just lets remember that the point of this is fun....

so come on lets have some, whos on for a wheeler race [], oh and vintage 2wd, vintage 4wd, 959/Celica grB, sand rover/holiday buggy, SRB's, wild willies, 3 speeders wow where do we stop []

[kawazx9]

well biggus i guess i am just going to have to whop ur *** with my aeromx or knight round the track, so bring ur knight for a whopping []

[Sonic]

I hope you don't think i was having a go at any of you because like i said i deffo wasn't, i was just trying to find out the facts and come up with a way round the problem.

I've tried e-mailing Moosey about seeing if i can help with any organising but he hasn't got back to me yet but if there is anything you guys need help with let me know and i'll try and help.

Let me know,

Lee.

[Jozza(2)]

It's not a big deal if there's no trading of stuff at the track. It shouldn't be difficult to do trading at the hotel, or at a venue close to the track, and if people have lists of what they've got, then offers can be made and the readies and goods swapped later on. I'm sure that trades can be done by

The fun will be in having a relaxed run of our cars, without all the pressure you get from running R/C cars in club racing these days, and to have a couple of enjoyable days meeting like minded people!

Yes, a trade ban maybe a bit of a pain, but I don't think it should be enough to make people cancel. Running some cars round the Snet track for fun is what I'm coming for, and to see (and not necessarily buy) some fine examples of vintage Tamiyas. I haven't got the cash or inclination to restore some of these old runners, so I'm really looking forward to seeing/chatting about them with the other TC club guys.

With a couple of homemade ramps and some cones laid out, even the offroad track might be fine for some buggy fun too...

[Jozza(2)]

quote:Originally posted by Wireless

PS : Anyone bringing PMR446 Walkie Talkies...? UKClaire and I will have ours. Heh heh wireless trading. [}]

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What's PMR446, is that the ones that work on the 446mhz band? I just picked up a pair today, so that my wife can call me when I'm in the workshop at the end of the garden (and so that I can call for the kettle to be put on too) []

[minijosh]

Why not trade in the car park? I'm sure we could do that since Snetterton's hobby store doesn't own the entire thing. I respect them but I think it is kind of dumb that you cannot buy a NIB. They only sell modern stuff and this is in no way hindering you from going over and buying a new kit. But what if you want that old SRB sitting next to Biggus Ditchus? You cannot buy that in their shop. I say we can trade away and sell away just as long as it doesn't take away from them. Who's to govern this? We are all adults [] but shady things will happen insided tents hehe [}]