XC Trailing

[mrbiccies]

Just got a Touareg and would like advice on what mods are required to do some trailing. what motor is required etc.

[Sammy]

Look through the archives using the Search function.

Generally though, LRP Truck Pullers or 55T lathe motors seem to be popular.

Also, 4 linking (petrolhead or mr_pushrod can help) and lead rings (or gravel in my case)

HTH

Sam

[spannerboy]

lock the diffs, i locked the diffs in my tl01 and its now amazing off road with some xc tyres

[OCD]

4 linking - I've been dying to know more - you are refering to the 4 links in the rear end - right? Could somebody finally tell me how to switch out the ridiculous plastic control arms once and for all? I've seen plenty of exaples in your showrooms, but haven't really read any in depth descritions of how you modded your "4 link" setup. Any one have bullet proof XC rear ends? Tell us how you did it! Peace.

[maxHiLux]

What I experienced is the steering going to be a hasle when driving off road. Sand and dust will creep in the steering and make turning very slow/difficult. I know there was a german site where you could buy improved (metal, ballraced) but it has gone. As you can read in an other thread I am desparate looking for a system like that!

Max

[OCD]

Same here, Max. Steering linkage is very suspect- needs help here as well... Why is there no real xc hop-ups available? Or am I mistaken? Don't get me wrong- I'm down with the DIY solutions- provided they don't require any intensive milling, etc. (If such a thing exists, could somebody please point me towards the XC thread?)

(petrolhead or mr_pushrod can help)--> Hear that guys?

Can DJtheo offer any suggestions? He seems to have the right idea:

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=9158&sid=16

I especially like his rear control arms- exquisite!

Then there's this:

http://rc4wd.com/shop/product_info.php?cPa...products_id=772

No specifics on how they're used. (Must be some sort of secret!)

[mr_pushrod]

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...id=22920&sid=79

Here's how I did mine, it gives a lot more articulation although with the upper links as I have them there is a fair bit of side to side movement of the axle.

[DJTheo]

I used parts from http://www.bauteil1.de/ (unfortunately offline lately) and http://www.modellanhaenger.de/

Cheers

[focus1]

Hi Guys. I am also verry worried about the steering link made by bauteil. Hope they soon are upp again! I have some questions about some parts that I have found out will fit the XC.

-53288 Aluminum (TA03) Rear Hub Carrier I have found trough the link over here at RC4WD.COM. Does annyone know where I can gett:

53316 TA03 Aluminium front hub carrier?

-53218 Hard Joint Cup set, and, 53188 CC 4WD torque splitter unit. Are there anny point in buying it and where to buy?

-Ballbearings? I will be trailing in water. Are there ballbearings that are waterproof ore can I just go for metalbearings?

-I have seen some esc's thats says truck on it? I have bought a Lathe motor and I wan't the best possible esc for it witch also are waterproof?

Also the 53056 Pin type wheel adaptor set semms like a good tamiya uppgrade. Looks lie Bauteil are upp again! This time I will by and not just drool[] Thanks for great help guys!

[Sammy]

quote:Originally posted by focus1

Hi Guys. I am also verry worried about the steering link made by bauteil. Hope they soon are upp again! I have some questions about some parts that I have found out will fit the XC.

-53288 Aluminum (TA03) Rear Hub Carrier I have found trough the link over here at RC4WD.COM. Does annyone know where I can gett:

53316 TA03 Aluminium front hub carrier?

-53218 Hard Joint Cup set, and, 53188 CC 4WD torque splitter unit. Are there anny point in buying it and where to buy?

-Ballbearings? I will be trailing in water. Are there ballbearings that are waterproof ore can I just go for metalbearings?

-I have seen some esc's thats says truck on it? I have bought a Lathe motor and I wan't the best possible esc for it witch also are waterproof?

Also the 53056 Pin type wheel adaptor set semms like a good tamiya uppgrade. Looks lie Bauteil are upp again! This time I will by and not just drool[] Thanks for great help guys!

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Focus1,

From what I have read, I have concourred the following:

Motors: Lathe motor (tick) ESC, any MTroniks one should do it - may as well go for the new named Eco27 (Viper something or other)

Torque Splitter: Purchaseable from Stella Models, and is very cheap.

Not good for offroad, only racing / onroad

Ballbearings: Best to stick with the plastic ones unless you like regular maintanance - these can rust.

Also, there's the Ta02 Front universal set - good upgrade - watch eBay or TC for them coming up.

Cheers.

Sam

[focus1]

Thanks Sammy, allready bought a couple off universalshafts for it! I stay away from the torque splitter since im going Trailing:-)

[maxHiLux]

Sammy said:

quote:Ballbearings: Best to stick with the plastic ones unless you like regular maintanance - these can rust.

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I don't agree, get it ballraced but get the ones with a rubber sealing. And after trailing in water give you XC a compleet clean.

What I do is shower it of in the bathatub with clean water and dry with a hair dryer. Works fine, of course I first remove receiver and ESC (attached with velcrow) and watch out that I don't wet the servo or detach that as well!

Greetz Max

[focus1]

Ok, thanks. I would think that metal bearings are much moore durable than platic ones. But would offcourse need maintance. Rubber seald once I will gett. I have heard that it can be diffucult to find bearings for the front hub carriers. If I manage to find the TA03 alu ones, are they different, ore still the small and difficult to gett.

I found the 53218 hard joint cup sett in the TC store, are they anny good?

[OCD]

quote:Originally posted by DJTheo

I used parts from http://www.bauteil1.de/ (unfortunately offline lately) and http://www.modellanhaenger.de/

Cheers

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Looks like modellanhaenger is offline now also...only half of his page came up.[?]

Anyhow, Bauteil has some nice looking stuff. What is with the Germans having all the nicest toys?

I want I want I want! Too bad I can't read German[:I]

Oh BTW : here is some of what I've done so far:

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...d=39447&id=2400

and

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...d=39862&id=2400

Still fresh, but me thinks I'll be needing some alloy replacenments before very long []

[focus1]

I maield the modellanhaenger to day on english and gott imediate responce. He said that we could comunicate on English as long as I did not care to much about grammar, witch suits me verry well:-)

I have also been scroling ebay for the mentiond TA03 parts and found bouth blue and blank 53288 and 53316. I guess wath I really want was a front aluminium knuckle head, butt that may not exict?

[OCD]

Try this for the knuckles:

http://walawalashop.com/shop/product_info....products_id/961

Very expensive, but apparently they will do the job.

I found these, but I don't know if they will fit:

http://cgi.ebay.com/933-070-Eagle-Aluminum...1QQcmdZViewItem

Do Ta03 knuckles fit the XC front end?

And finally... http://rc-teufel.de/

Anyone know anything about this stuff? (Still can't read German[])

[DJTheo]

quote:Anyone know anything about this stuff? (Still can't read German)

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Why don't you use http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en ?

Cheers

[mrbiccies]

Anyone know where I can get a set of rubber seal bearings for my CC-01 chassis?

[focus1]

Thanks for the great links OCD, those Germans really know how to make me want stuff! I just found this in the review section in here:

For a nicer look, I replaced the original blue (TA02) steering uprights with identical black (TA03 TRF) parts on all my XC-cars. TA03 aluminum uprights would be an alternative.

entered: 08/12/2002 17:57:14 by miramar

I guess since the upprights are a fitt then the knuckle also will be a fitt???

I have tryed to find rubber seald bearings on the bay, but no luck yet.

[mr_pushrod]

I think Wala Wala store was doing rubber sealed bearings for real cheap.

[OCD]

I bought plenty of rubber seal bearings from Wala- They are excellent quality for the price.[^]

DJTheo- I do occasionally use the translator services, but they don't always work that well. (Too much jargon?)

I'm just suprised, considering how many of us there are, that there aren't more widely available hop-ups for XC owners. I understand they are not racing vehicles, but they are definately priced like one. (I know some of you have spent far more on your 'jero than you would ever spend on a TA05- etc.)

Oh, and one other thing that gets me- NO TRIALING IN THE STATES?

Unless I've missed it, I have found no trialing events, groups, or otherwise here in North America. Am I mistaken? It looks like a lot of fun... []

[shenlonco]

Hi i have 4 XC's 2 are stock form but with a little rear suspension mod and another mnod to make the front A arms drop a few more MM lower...

I trail mine through the mountain by me here wich has a little of everything and is very ruff... I found that my 2 Xc's with the rear link mods that give you enough flex so you can put a tamiya spray can under a rear wheel while all the other 3 are still on the ground work worse for mountain trailing... they can'y climb hills as good as my stock XC's with only simple minor mods done to them.

The 2 with end links don'r go good up hills that are angled when you are trying to ride on them because of the great amount of flex on the rear it makes the front wheel lift off the surface really high and then you eventually flip.. where as with my other 2 stock ones with minor mods done to them will climb and drive on much greater angles...

You can see how the front5 lifts here in this video.... And you can look at all my videos you will see i run my trucks very hard indeed!

http://www.rcpics.net/view_single.php?medid=66798

Also those rubber sealed bearings i do have them and i feel using the stock kit bushings is a better way to go... After i got done running my pajero that is in the video above in the woods i got home rinsed it off and dried it with a dryer and found that 2 of the rubber sealed bearings in the C carriers where totally sezed i hade to take them out and pop the seals off and use my bearing blaster to clean them and then i filled them up with grease figuring it will keep a better seal so debries don't enter inside them again.

Here is my stock XC and how i moded it it has just enough flex and workes better in the mountain than the full blown linked ones i have that twist and fit a tamiya spray paint can under them..And the great thing the mod will only cost you a few bucks!

Read how i did it in the pictures discriptions.

http://www.rcpics.net/view_single.php?medid=66798

http://www.rcpics.net/view_single.php?medid=65687

http://www.rcpics.net/view_single.php?medid=65685

http://www.rcpics.net/view_single.php?medid=65684

http://www.rcpics.net/view_single.php?medid=65684

[focus1]

Hi again, great to be here[]

OCD wrote:

I'm just suprised, considering how many of us there are, that there aren't more widely available hop-ups for XC owners. I understand they are not racing vehicles, but they are definately priced like one. (I know some of you have spent far more on your 'jero than you would ever spend on a TA05- etc.)

Oh, and one other thing that gets me- NO TRIALING IN THE STATES?

Unless I've missed it, I have found no trialing events, groups, or otherwise here in North America. Am I mistaken? It looks like a lot of fun...

So verry true! I have orderd the TA03 "BLING" pakage mentiond over here, hope it will fit[8)] But as you say the marked is really there, can't tamiya see it?

I gott verry lucky finding two guys in the neigborhood witch are verry interested in scale trailing. (They where trailing XC's before I new about them)And we al thinks that scale and simularety with real car has to be taken seriosly. But thats like hitting a needel in a barn full of hay finding guys like that here in Norway! I don't no annything about this, but some rules for trailing competition are maybe out there? I would like to enter a scale trail competition where the cars handeling compared to the real car are counting![]

I love to drive my all stock Pajero, butt I love it sove much that it deserves som shiny parts[8D] I want it to have alots of aluminium parts, lights (also rear), interior and so on... I see you point Shenlonco, it was a verry good vid. showing bouth good and bad sides with the max't out link. I am also verry impressed by the stock performance of the XC, but... I want to make it extra special[8D]

I was driving in Oslo this evening when I past a parked Toyata Landcruiser witch in deed was special! I tought to my self that if thats not the car thats belong to Simensays from TC (I have seen it in hes showroom along with his boxart dream) I will eate my hatt! (if you read this; care to trade for a stock 1/1 Mazda626 and a Bruiser[])

In the issue off bearings I really think that bouth opinions has somting to it. I cant see why not just massive metalbearings would do the trick. It has to slide bether than the plastic ones?

[focus1]

Shenlonco, it would be verry cool to try to catch you in a trail competition:-) Looks like a great place to drive and like you have done it a few times!

[mr_pushrod]

Certainly some nice terrain you are driving over Shenlonco, would love to take my XC over that! Given the choice between a stock XC and one with a custom 4 link rear like mine, I would go for the latter every time. The wheel lifting is a pain but I would miss the articulation for sure, it looks so cool for a start! I would also disagree with your point on bearings. I have rubber sealed in mine and have taken it through water numerous times with no problems.