New trick to raise the prices ! Beware

[koenc]

I've noticed this a few times with the same seller. I won't tell his name on the board but Bibbo brought this to my attention this morning.

So, how does it work?

Well : you ask your "friend" or use your second EbayID to put for insance 10.000 us$ as first bid.

Than others bid and go higher than they really want (hey, I also sometimes loose my brains when I bid). But no problem cause you're bid isn't the highest.

One hour before the end of the auction your "friend" cancelles his bid and suddenly you're the highest bidder [xx(]!!!

please watch out and be carefull!

Koen

[oldfordguy]

Hey guys, this happened to me! The amount was small, but I refused to pay as a matter of principle. I ended up with a negative because of the whole mess. I put in a proxy, then somone came along and made many small bids till they just barely passed my proxy. Then at the last minute, they canceled their last bid, and my max proxy was the high bid. We traded neg feedbacks. In hindsight, I should have just paid, and then left appropriate feedback. Live and learn.

[AkihabaraMallrat(2)]

Its called bid shilling, and is a big no no. If you report it and ebay confirms it the seller will be suspended

[snollan]

He take a negative feedback with pride on that. We all know that ebay wont do jack to help us out. Maybe somewhere someday a website will pop-up with a wall of shame for these guys.

My question is this: If someone cancel's their bid are you responsible for your bid if it's the highest?

Lesson: Once again this is another reason for the bid sniper. You don't need a high proxy just let the sniper do it.

[TWINSET]

This happened to a mate of mine, he got outbid, so looked elsewhere, the high bidder withdrew, leaving him high, but when he tried explaining this to the seller, he got reported to ebay and slated as a non-payer.

There are ways ebay supply so you can see who's bidding on what, and it makes very good reading if you find the 'right' bidder.

I think it was mentioned here before, a guy whose ebay ID was 2 letters and 2 numbers used a similarily structured second ID to jack his prices up.

[Shodog]

shill biding sucks. It happens more than you think. What you have to ask your self is how much am I really willing to pay for for the item I am bidding on. If you get out bid by the shill bidder then the part might end up back on ebay so you can bid on it again. If someone else outbids the shill bidder, then that person would have won anyway as they were willing to bid the highest amount for the item. I used to sit and analize all the auctions I was bidding on just to make sure some smuck wasn't shill bidding. Now I just say screw it. I place my bid for as much as I am willing to pay and may the technipower (thanks DJtheo) be with me. If I don't win, no harm, another part will most likely turn up soon. If it something really rare or something I want really bad then I bid accordingly to make sure I won.

[Bibbo]

I was talking to Keon about this earlier because what I saw this guy do was so blatant[:0] it made me realise a few things. I've only been using e-bay for about 2 months and have made errors in the things I have done. These were honest mistakes that have both worked for and against me, and I've learned from them.

I think there is a fair amount of e-bay rule breaking going on. I don't know whether e-bay see this or not and I'm sure 95% of it is innocent and causes no harm to seller or buyer. I think in the end you will always get good and bad people involved in something as public as e-bay. The feedback area helps you here but it's not really going to offer that much protection. Theres always a way around it if you are determined enough

At the end of the day it is exactly as Shodog says. Bid what you are prepared to pay. Sometimes I guess it is difficult to know the correct value of an item you want compared to what others have paid. In that case wait and see what sells for what and then buy the next one that comes along, again like Shodog said.

[WillyChang]

Imho eBay won't care, for:

1) they get paid by the VENDOR, not bidder

2) the amt they get paid is based on the ending value.

So its in eBay's interest not to rock the vendors' boat, and to have the highest ending prices to benefit themselves + vendors and to attract potential new listers.

Yeah, rules are rules - but ya gotta always ask who & how dirty the cops are first. [:0]

[Shodog]

Willy you hit it right on the head. Ebay is just as guilty as the dirty sellers. I guess that was point of my post. Put in your bid for what your willing to pay.

[spice]

Go ahead and spell out the user ID. The two letters and two numbers.

My ID happens to have two letters and two numbers so I and others are curious to know who you are referring to.

Spice

quote:Originally posted by TWINSET

This happened to a mate of mine, he got outbid, so looked elsewhere, the high bidder withdrew, leaving him high, but when he tried explaining this to the seller, he got reported to ebay and slated as a non-payer.

There are ways ebay supply so you can see who's bidding on what, and it makes very good reading if you find the 'right' bidder.

I think it was mentioned here before, a guy whose ebay ID was 2 letters and 2 numbers used a similarily structured second ID to jack his prices up.

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[koenc]

Hi Spice,

The ID I refer too in the beginning hasn't got 2 letters + numbers. It has only letters

[DJTheo]

quote:2) the amt they get paid is based on the ending value.

So its in eBay's interest not to rock the vendors' boat, and to have the highest ending prices to benefit themselves + vendors and to attract potential new listers.

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Yes, but with shill bidding, often not a real deal happens and then they loose from (free) relisting.

quote:The ID I refer too in the beginning hasn't got 2 letters + numbers. It has only letters

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Now you made half of ebay members suspects... LOL []

[Bibbo]

If anybody wants to know who Koen and I were talking about then e-mail me and I will let you know what I noticed in this sellers auctions. I'll tell you the ID privatly, not in the forums because it's not really the place to do it.

We all know you have to be careful on e-bay, it's nothing new or clever to realise that. As long as you do to others something that you don'nt mind them doing to you, there should be no problems.

I also think that because some people only sell and never buy they can have a one sided view, and because they have the item in thier possesion they will always have the upper hand and have to take less risks than a buyer.

[TWINSET]

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Go ahead and spell out the user ID. The two letters and two numbers.

My ID happens to have two letters and two numbers so I and others are curious to know who you are referring to.

Spice

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Originally posted by TWINSET

This happened to a mate of mine, he got outbid, so looked elsewhere, the high bidder withdrew, leaving him high, but when he tried explaining this to the seller, he got reported to ebay and slated as a non-payer.

There are ways ebay supply so you can see who's bidding on what, and it makes very good reading if you find the 'right' bidder.

I think it was mentioned here before, a guy whose ebay ID was 2 letters and 2 numbers used a similarily structured second ID to jack his prices up.

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http://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=830

[The_incredible_Fred]

Now it seems that he bought his own parts [] and they can give themselves another good rating![}]

Fred

[Pellandine-sports]

You guys 'n' gals are right there is a lot of mal-practice on Ebay and shill bidding seems to be the most prevalent along with increasing numbers of non-paying bidders.

Getting this sorted out is pretty easy though:

(a) If you are involved in the particular auction or are a victim then REPORT IT!! Even if you only suspect malpractice. It is up to you to decide whether to pay if you win but if you decide not to then make sure you put in a report BEFORE the seller posts negative. By doing this any negative feedback will be removed quicker or will be blocked.

( If you're not involved in the auction but spot somebody up to no good then REPORT IT!!.......and if the winning bidder is a newbie or has a good record then tip them off as well.

I'm afraid you're wrong that EBay don't care cos they're gonna get paid anyway. Ebay doesn't get paid if the sale doesn't complete.

I believe that the people at Ebay realise that their biggest asset is the confidence and optimism of both the buyers and sellers that use the site. Without this then Ebay would surely disappear up its own @rse.......they are not going to jeopardise their success and rep. by turning a blind eye.

I guess my message is don't get cynical, get tough!!!