Another ebay scam

[PTV70R]

Item no 5943221355 - is a scam, both text and pictures copied form a recent item that I won. (Original Tyrrell 6 wheeler unmade kit).

[Stevenchat2000]

This lot is getting out of hand , have you informed ebay ??

[PTV70R]

I have reported it to ebay - the trouble is you only get to quote the listing number and not any explanation. Now if ebay look at it will they pick up what I picked up ?? I doubt it. I have sent a message to the only person to bid at the time, who bid on the original one as well - I am surprised he did not spot it.

[Jeckler]

I reported it as well.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_inline/...rt_listing.html

Or goto the security center and select report another problem.

Choose fraudulent listing for #2, and report a listing you think it fraudulent for #3.

[Stickman]

Hi,

Ebay do take action (normally after 2 emails!) I got this response to the NIB scorcher scam the other week

"Hello,

Thank you for writing with your concern.

I have reviewed the listings you have brought to our attention and taken appropriate action.

I would also like to explain eBay's policy with respect to reports like

yours.

eBay is not in a position to make judgements about the authenticity or

authorised nature of listings, except in the most extreme circumstances. This may mean that we cannot remove the item about which you contacted

us, particularly when it is not blatantly clear from the item itself

that it is in some way infringing.

We often cannot remove items upon the representations of third parties

whose credentials we cannot verify, unless of course the alleged

infringement is obvious on its face. That is why we strongly urge you

to notify the seller of the suspected infringement.

If you wish to report a stolen item, click here:

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/stolen.html

Please let me know if there is anything further I can do.

Regards,

Pauline Brennan

eBay VeRO Team"

So the trick is make it absolutely clear to them that its a scam, so they won't have to do much leg work themselves and you should get a result.

Cheers

Dave

[PTV70R]

Just to proove it the car pictured is now sat on my desk having arrived today !! I will add it to my showroom soon.

I have also sent messages to the 2 bidders so I dont think he will be getting a sale !!

[Neil_S2000]

quote:Originally posted by Stickman

Hi,

Ebay do take action (normally after 2 emails!) I got this response to the NIB scorcher scam the other week

"Hello,

Thank you for writing with your concern.

I have reviewed the listings you have brought to our attention and taken appropriate action.

I would also like to explain eBay's policy with respect to reports like

yours.

eBay is not in a position to make judgements about the authenticity or

authorised nature of listings, except in the most extreme circumstances. This may mean that we cannot remove the item about which you contacted

us, particularly when it is not blatantly clear from the item itself

that it is in some way infringing.

We often cannot remove items upon the representations of third parties

whose credentials we cannot verify, unless of course the alleged

infringement is obvious on its face. That is why we strongly urge you

to notify the seller of the suspected infringement.

If you wish to report a stolen item, click here:

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/stolen.html

Please let me know if there is anything further I can do.

Regards,

Pauline Brennan

eBay VeRO Team"

So the trick is make it absolutely clear to them that its a scam, so they won't have to do much leg work themselves and you should get a result.

Cheers

Dave

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What that basically means is

"We don't want to employ a load of people to look into possible fraud because it will eat into our already fat profits, and as long as noones scamming us we're not that bothered."

I reported someone for using my photos last week, giving the item number of the previous auction, so it was clear that the pics had been stolen. They actually state that it's against Ebay policy to copy listings/ pictures and there's a form to report it.

Did Ebay do anything? Did they ****.

[Shodog]

quote:Originally posted by Neil_S2000

What that basically means is "We don't want to employ a load of people to look into possible fraud because it will eat into our already fat profits, and as long as noones scamming us we're not that bothered."

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you hit the nail right on the head.

[sosidge]

I was amazed to actually receive a REAL phonecall from someone at ebay the other day (I had unwittingly violated a listing policy in my shop and apparently they needed to call me about it first). I never thought they actually employed anyone! You get the same emails all the time with "made up" names at the bottom whenever you report anything.

[pleiku68(2)]

And yet another..Just received an email to buy "second Chance offer" on a Monte that was sold 2 weeks ago on ebay...This guy claims to have the kit...fyfy_74....He has only been a member since the 12th of December and the auction was held around the 3rd...Too much of this going on..I have notifed ebay..The did remove an auction last week that was not ligit that I complained about...I have received three second chance offers on that Monte and none are from the seller...Happy Holidays Jerry

quote:Originally posted by PTV70R

Item no 5943221355 - is a scam, both text and pictures copied form a recent item that I won. (Original Tyrrell 6 wheeler unmade kit).

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[Pellandine-sports]

I would be interested to know how you know for certain that this is a scam, rather than possibly a new Ebayer being lazy or through inexperience using another sellers blurb and pics.

My point is that it is quite possible that this Ebay newbie has plagiarised another ebayer without realising that they are doing something wrong. Instead of assuming, and proclaiming to the world on this forum, that this guy is a crook perhaps you should have brought the matter to the attention of the seller from whom you bought the Tyrrell. It would be up to him/her to raise the issue with this seller.

Ebay rely on its membership to police the site but would you have done something about this had you not bought the item pictured? Probably not I would suggest.

What you have done with this post is left yourself and the site open to litigation as you have no hard evidence that this seller's intention was to defraud. The fact you have taken it upon yourself to email the bidders proclaiming this to be a scam makes matters worse.

I've used other peoples pictures before I had a camera of my own but to my credit I have always stated that the pics were not of the actual item. Where I know the ebayer, I ask them first. However, there is no copyright on the sales blurb/pics on Ebay. It is up to the seller to overprint their ID on the pics and/or restrict the copy and paste facility afforded by the right hand mouse button. Plenty of sellers use pics and blurb from other sources....sometimes even copying the contents of Tamiya catalogues....which are copyrighted.

Does this make all these sellers fraudsters?

This was a very silly and unecessary post in my opinion.

[fastboy]

whilst i agree mostly with you point..isnt it illegal to actually advertise something which you dont actually own??

ie if you put a picture of a frog nib on ebay and dont actually own that particular one but send a similair item,then thats illegal isnt it,false advertising(unless as you said that this isnt the actual item but a pic of similiar itme)

and if we report to ebay, people selling items using other people pictures without actually saying in their description that they are doing so,then that is their fault,not ours,they are clearly advertising something which they do not own.

dave

[pleiku68(2)]

Who is going to hire a lawyer and litigate someone on and/or this site? You think we are that important?? I think you over estimate these "scam" peoples capabilities and resorses. .and if you can't take your own pictures of the item being sold...GET OFF EBAY..If you can not afford a camera you can't afford a lawyer..This post is "in my opinon" was informative..

quote:Originally posted by Pellandine-sports

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What you have done with this post is left yourself and the site open to litigation as you have no hard evidence that this seller's intention was to defraud. The fact you have taken it upon yourself to email the bidders proclaiming this to be a scam makes matters worse.

This was a very silly and unecessary post in my opinion.

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[PTV70R]

quote:Originally posted by Pellandine-sports

I would be interested to know how you know for certain that this is a scam, rather than possibly a new Ebayer being lazy or through inexperience using another sellers blurb and pics.

My point is that it is quite possible that this Ebay newbie has plagiarised another ebayer without realising that they are doing something wrong. Instead of assuming, and proclaiming to the world on this forum, that this guy is a crook perhaps you should have brought the matter to the attention of the seller from whom you bought the Tyrrell. It would be up to him/her to raise the issue with this seller.

Ebay rely on its membership to police the site but would you have done something about this had you not bought the item pictured? Probably not I would suggest.

What you have done with this post is left yourself and the site open to litigation as you have no hard evidence that this seller's intention was to defraud. The fact you have taken it upon yourself to email the bidders proclaiming this to be a scam makes matters worse.

I've used other peoples pictures before I had a camera of my own but to my credit I have always stated that the pics were not of the actual item. Where I know the ebayer, I ask them first. However, there is no copyright on the sales blurb/pics on Ebay. It is up to the seller to overprint their ID on the pics and/or restrict the copy and paste facility afforded by the right hand mouse button. Plenty of sellers use pics and blurb from other sources....sometimes even copying the contents of Tamiya catalogues....which are copyrighted.

Does this make all these sellers fraudsters?

This was a very silly and unecessary post in my opinion.

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It would be one thing to copy someones photos of a current brand new item that is identical to yours but how likely is it that your 25+ year old kit is exactly the same as another one - with the same damage to the box and the exact same cut to a blister pack.

This seller made no disclaimer that he had used someone elses pictures so is therefore giving potential bidders a false impression whether he has one or not - this in my opinion is an attempt to scam buyers. The whole buying experience on ebay relies on making bids based on what you see - how do you do that if you are looking at the wrong item. To illustrate this point last week a bought a further Tyrrell kit becasue it was better than this one - the box had no damage from tape and the blister was not cut - this kit cost me more - now if when it arrived it had not been the one pictured and was in worse condition I would have felt ripped off and would have been looking for redress.

I recently sold some brand new switch covers on ebay and a week or two later someone else was selling one using my picture - now this I dont mind because one brand new switch cover is the same as any other.

For a further example TC member 'Fordrangerman' has some of the best painted models around - how would you feel if someone used his showroom pics to sell a car - you bid a hefty sum becasue it looks fantastic. You receive the similar car he actually sold you and it is painted with a tar brush !! You contact him to be told 'Sorry I dont have a camera so could not show the peice of **** I was selling so nicked a picture of a gorgeous model I find on TC !! Would you say, 'Oh thats fine, silly me I should have known you would not put a picture of the item you were selling' or would you say something different ???

I did e-mail the original seller who informs me that he also reported it to ebay and sent the 'seller' a rather rude mail !!

Also how would you feel if you got caught out by a scam similar to this and either received a different item or nothing at all. You then put a post up telling your story only to get replies from other members stating 'Yeah I spotted that scam but did not tell anybody in case I upset anyone !' Again I suppose you would thank him for keeping it to himself, allowing you to make a donation to the sellers finances.

Surely a site such as this relies on a community feeling between people with similar interests - part of which is acting in the best interests of everyone and warning people of potential problems. I will always share anything I spot and hope others would do the same so that maybe I wont become one of there victims.

[Podfather(2)]

PTV70R - I would actually like to thank you for making this post.

I was looking at that item and because I dont have access to your personal RC collection, I had no idea the item pictured belonged to someone else.

If it hadn't been for your post, I may have bid and lost a fair amount of dosh. At the very least I would have bid on an item with no picture, something I rarely do.

[3speeder]

all of the auctions he had listed were copies from auctions about 10 days ago. I was looking at this last night and woundered why someone with good feed back would do this with three auctions. Is it possible this guys ebay account was used by someone else? I had a few emails with the guy and he told me he wasn't sure why the pics were the same from the other auction but he told me i could have it for 1100us.

[PTV70R]

quote:Originally posted by 3speeder

all of the auctions he had listed were copies from auctions about 10 days ago. I was looking at this last night and woundered why someone with good feed back would do this with three auctions. Is it possible this guys ebay account was used by someone else? I had a few emails with the guy and he told me he wasn't sure why the pics were the same from the other auction but he told me i could have it for 1100us.

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How can he not be sure about the pics - its his listing after all so he must know where the pics came from!

His 3 feedbacks were all small value purchases, an easy way to get some positive feedback to gain some credibility. If his account had been used by someone else then surely he would have made some sort of denial regarding this listing.

The model in question has now been added to my showroom !!

[Pellandine-sports]

If this individual is vague about the originality of the pics and comes up with spurious reasons/excuses for why somebodyesles blurb has been used then chances are he's up to no good.....but what if had held his hands up and said " Yes I admit it, I'm guilty of plagiarism because I didn't have a camera, didn't have the time, dont have the imagination to come up with my own sales blurb etc etc etc.....but I do have an item in very similar condition to sell"

Would it not be wrong to declare this individual a crook on a public forum?

And would he not be justified in seeking damages if he could prove otherwise?

As for the comment "If you can not afford a camera you can't afford a lawyer" Sorry but there are more than enough 'No win, no fee' ambulance chasers out there willing to get stuck in to seemingly trivial matters. This would not be the first site to fall foul of these vultures.

I sold two NIB Wild Dagger kits within the last year off one Ebay sale. I used the picture in my showroom, which is of the third Wild Dagger kit I owned. Have I defrauded the two buyers because I haven't shown the actual kits for sale? Am I a crook? Answer to both questions is no. Both buyers were happy with their purchases and there was no discernable differences between the three kits.

I'm not for one moment defending this individual because I do not know.............and neither do you for sure.

By all means bring everybody's attention that he's using another seller's material but do not make accusations on this site that you can not back up with hard evidence unless you are prepared to take the consequences.

[mymonsterbeetleisbroken]

there was a guy from ebay on the news earlier. just a report on how big ebay is getting [|)]

anyway, the guy was asked to giv a few examples of what you can buy on the bay, and he went on about the virgin mary toast and the haunted walking stick [xx(]

shows you how much attention these ebay people pay to whats going on on there own site, all he could think of was the rediculous crud items []

[Pellandine-sports]

..........yeah and the contents of somebody's Hoover after they had groomed the dog[][][][]

[pleiku68(2)]

Well I still think this a little parnoid and basicly funny[)]

You live in Scotland, the original post comes from Hampton UK and the "Perp" is in Canada...It would take an "International Ambulance Chaser" to pin the tale on that donkey..and I am in Flordia..[]where it is nice an warm...LOL Jerry

quote:Originally posted by Pellandine-sports

As for the comment "If you can not afford a camera you can't afford a lawyer" Sorry but there are more than enough 'No win, no fee' ambulance chasers out there willing to get stuck in to seemingly trivial matters. This would not be the first site to fall foul of these vultures.

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[Pellandine-sports]

Paranoid maybe.....even the weather's against me........its minus 2 and snowing at the moment[][] You got a guest room Jerry??

[PTV70R]

quote:Originally posted by Pellandine-sports

If this individual is vague about the originality of the pics and comes up with spurious reasons/excuses for why somebodyesles blurb has been used then chances are he's up to no good.....but what if had held his hands up and said " Yes I admit it, I'm guilty of plagiarism because I didn't have a camera, didn't have the time, dont have the imagination to come up with my own sales blurb etc etc etc.....but I do have an item in very similar condition to sell"

Would it not be wrong to declare this individual a crook on a public forum?

And would he not be justified in seeking damages if he could prove otherwise?

As for the comment "If you can not afford a camera you can't afford a lawyer" Sorry but there are more than enough 'No win, no fee' ambulance chasers out there willing to get stuck in to seemingly trivial matters. This would not be the first site to fall foul of these vultures.

I sold two NIB Wild Dagger kits within the last year off one Ebay sale. I used the picture in my showroom, which is of the third Wild Dagger kit I owned. Have I defrauded the two buyers because I haven't shown the actual kits for sale? Am I a crook? Answer to both questions is no. Both buyers were happy with their purchases and there was no discernable differences between the three kits.

I'm not for one moment defending this individual because I do not know.............and neither do you for sure.

By all means bring everybody's attention that he's using another seller's material but do not make accusations on this site that you can not back up with hard evidence unless you are prepared to take the consequences.

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Exactly my point when I referred to my switch covers - you have just made it clear that there was no decernable difference between your three kits whereas in this case, as I stated before, what are the chances of 2 25+ year old kits being in the same condition - for an item such as this the buyer is relying on viewing the pictures - if the picture he is viewing is not of the actual one he has been mis-led!!

What if I was to advertise a football club for sale and post a picture of ManUtd, watch the bidding go up to £650m (from an American called Frazer probably). After I get my £650m from paypal I send him a peice of paper saying congratulations on you purchase of Tinpot Town FC, worth a whole £2.50 - do you think he wont mind me posting a picture of a different club ?

[3speeder]

wait a minute his feed back was 103 98.1%, something like that.

[PTV70R]

quote:Originally posted by 3speeder

wait a minute his feed back was 103 98.1%, something like that.

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No, his feedback is 3 (100%).