associated rc-10 stealth car

[cant_get_right2005]

hello...i was looking threw a old 1993 issue of r/c car action last night........and it has a small picture of associated's stealth car

maybe someone has a good picture of it.....as i dont have a scanner

but i found it interesting to see it had a front end very similar to the b4 of today.......the front a-arms looked identical to the b4's

and the rear a-arms looked to be the rc-10t arms......funny it took them this many years to come out with the b-4..which i beleive they are calling there true stealth car

[El Mexican]

You mean the one Masami Hirosaka used to win a World Championship?

I too find it remarkably similar to the actual B4. Look at the steering linkage, its nearly identical to the new one used by Associated now! The Stealth Car actually used a "Yokomo steering linkage with custom-made graphite rack and brace". Since we all now Yok and Assoc are quite "pally", the croosover to the new B4 was given, even though it took them 10 years to make that decision!

With all honesty, the Stealth Car looked only vaguely similar to the original RC-10. It incorporated parts from Yokomo, Losi, KO, custom made graphite parts, RCPS, and a specially trimmed aluminun chassis and of course the stealth tranny. If it werent for that very particular gold finish Associated uses in their chassis and the white suspension arms, you'd be hardpressed to identify the car as an RC-10.

The same car (with a very distinctive green paint scheme) was used to win the Reedy Race of Champions in 91.

[cant_get_right2005]

hello...well i have seen many versions.....but this particular version.......says it has the graphite chassy...which in the picture looks wider.........and it has a graphite upper brace.......and the front a-arms.......look just like the b-4.....and the shocks mount behind the shock tower.which i know masai liked to do..but i agree looks like alot of custom parts

[bender]

El Mexican - I don't know what car you're talking about but it sure isn't any "Stealth" car.[?]

AE have had 2 stealth cars - one was used in the 89 Worlds in Sydney, the other 91 in Detroit. Their 93 winning car was a standard RC10.

The 91 steath car used a double deck carbon fibre chassis but the steering wasn't from Yokomo, it was taken from the first RC10T truck.

And yes, the B4 is just a modified version of that car, with much improvement in materials but little difference in suspension design. Not surprising really - 2wd off road design has been basically at a stand-still since the early 90's, something that would change if we could get more manufacturers (Kyosho, Tamiya, Schumacher) back building good 2wd kits.

[El Mexican]

Thanks for clearing that up, Bender.

Ims still confused though. The version of the car Im talking about has the traditional gold tub chassis, not a graphite one. The article of RC Car Action Im refering to is from 91, and as I said, the car won the RR of Champions of that year.

[bender]

The AE guys generally ran standard RC10 tub chassis cars everywhere except at the worlds, where they used the "stealth car" in the years I mentioned previously.

They have never made a tub chassis RC10 with any of the components from their stealth cars attached. The picture you have maybe a custom made car, not an AE prototype.

However, For many years, racers have modified the standard RC10 in all sorts of ways!

Actually, when I was racing RC10s there was a couple of guys at the track which had gold tub RC10s equipped with the RPM 91 Worlds front end kit, traxxas trx1 shocks, and A&L trailing arm suspension [:0]

Pity you don't have a scanner, I'm sure if you posted the pic we'd be able to clear up exactly what car it is!

Oh **** - I just realised you've been talking about two different cars at two different events [:I]

[El Mexican]

The scanner isnt the problem, Bender: its the idiotic free spece webpages where you can post your pics. My PC always has problems with them! Anyway, I promise to make one final attempt to show you guy the pic so we can clear this thing up[]

[cant_get_right2005]

hi just send a picture to my email if you want v.peters@mchsi.com

hey elmexican..did you buy my turbo scorpian decals off ebay?

[El Mexican]

Youll get the pic soon enough, cat get right.

On another front, buying Turbo Scorpion decals of Ebay? No, not at all.

[cant_get_right2005]

ok thanks......was just wondering cause they where sent to mexico city

[El Mexican]

Just sent you two pics of Masami's RC10, cant get right.

I really wish you could upload them here so everyone else knows what the heck we´re talking about.

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It doesnt surprise someone else from Mexico City bought those Scorpion decals. Kyosho probably had a bigger following here than Tamiya in the middle eighties. By the late eighties, only Tamiya´s 1/32 scale racers where popular, not their RC models. If you wanted an RC kit it almost certainly had to be Kyosho's.

Probably had to do with all the Great Planes and Tower Hobbies distribuiting scheme of the brand, since the bigest RC store in the City (and country) had a deal with them.

Cheers!

[cant_get_right2005]

i sent you a picture too ed

[El Mexican]

Saw the pic, cant get.

You´re totally right. That RC10 in the pic looks almost identical to the B4.

[bender]

Can someone post them somewhere with a link so I can see them?

Better yet, send em to me at relayerATbigpondDOTnetDOTau

Cheers

[cant_get_right2005]

ok ill send them.i tryed to send them butthe email was rejected:(

So i posted them here http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...=13022005122711

[tanker(2)]

Nice to see that two pictures. Now I have a better idea what you guys have been talking about. My 2 cents here:

(1) the so called 'masami car' in the link: Masami had raced numerous RC10 versions. No doubt all his cars were modified one way or the other and all of them had some innovative modifications. e.g. one of them back in 1986 he used two mini servos for steering, because back then small servos are faster but not as strong so he used two for the power but retained the speed.

(2) the so called 'stealth car' picture: it was one of the stealths that was used in 89 or 91, likely 91 because that year Masami won the worlds with a car like that with the shocks mounted behind the front shock tower. 89 Masami won the world with a car that the shocks were mounted in front of the front shock tower. correclt me if I am wrong.

(3) 89 and 91 steath cars were made of double deck carbon fibre chassis. Associated claimed that those cars were good for worlds but not as consistent as their standard aluminium tub chassis and thus they did not mass produce it. My guess was actually the aluminium car was way cheaper to be made and higher in profit margin, and they were good 'enough' to bit the losi back then...

(4) in those associated ad for b4, they always says that the b4 were the results of the stealths. I would say BS. B4 only remotely look like the stealths, the transmissions are different, conceptually very different too. B4 was made partly because injection molded chassis are cheaper to manufactured than graphite chassis, apart from the fact that associated needed new products after almost 20 years of aluminium chassis.

[bender]

Yep, Tanker is right, the last pic is the 91 Detroit Stealth car.

The 89 car had the shocks on the front of the tower plus it used even longer front arms on a very narrow bulkhead (I should know, I saw it up close at the 89 worlds)!