New Health and Safety Act about Airbrush Paints

[DimmaDan]

Have been told today buy an old friend that certain airbrush paints will be made unsellable sometime this year due to a new act about thinner content of airbrush paint.

As they are toxic, they are banning them and have insisted that a water based paint is now used.

Has anyone heared of this and can confirm it for me?

I am attempting to use Faskolor instead of Pactra to see how well water based works and cannot get on with it.

Advice please?

[fatboyslim]

Have been told today buy an old friend that certain airbrush paints will be made unsellable sometime this year due to a new act about thinner content of airbrush paint.

As they are toxic, they are banning them and have insisted that a water based paint is now used.

Has anyone heared of this and can confirm it for me?

I am attempting to use Faskolor instead of Pactra to see how well water based works and cannot get on with it.

Advice please?

Awww!! No more getting high whilst painting bodyshells!!

[OCD]

SNIFFING paint whilst painting body shells?

Careful or you could mess up an otherwise nice paintjob.

[fatboyslim]

SNIFFING paint whilst painting body shells?

Careful or you could mess up an otherwise nice paintjob.

Can't avoid the fumes when you spray in the kitchen[]

[WillyChang]

Have been told today buy an old friend that certain airbrush paints will be made unsellable sometime this year due to a new act about thinner content of airbrush paint. As they are toxic, they are banning them and have insisted that a water based paint is now used.

It wouldn't surprise me, especially in places like US etc. Places like that will be stopping selling even lacquer paints for home handymen, pretty soon it'll be impossible to do stuff like touching up your 1:1 car in your driveway.

The problem is not the toxicity but the VOCs (Volatile Organic Compounds) aka mineral alcohols eg thinners. These evaporating solvents cause smog, "birth defects in the State of California" etc etc

(is there ANYTHING that doesn't cause bad things to babies in Cali??! [])

There will come a day when they ban WD40...! []

 

[DimmaDan]

I'm going to do some research today and see what i find. I'll let you guys and gals know what i find.

[theshopkeeper]

It's like Creosote - aparantly it's not legal to own, posess or use this now.  Of course, everyone who's ever used some probably has half a gallon in their shed but...

[jozza]

In the UK you are also no longer allowed to buy or use lots of weedkiller and other products. The only ones you can get now are the mild ones which don't work.

 

As far as Faskolor goes, I use it all the time now. Hated it when I started as I couldn't get it to work properly, but now that I have a decent compressor and I've learnt the best way to use it I would never return to solvent based paints for Lexan.

 

The main points to remember is that it shouldn't be thinned unless it's really necessary. Solvent paints are thinned to milky consistency to spray, but Faskolor should be more like custard. Each coat should be dried with a hairdryer for 30 seconds or so before applying the next one. And once you have painted the shell, let the paint cure for at least a couple of days before using it (you should notice that the shell gets lighter over 24 hours as the paint fully dries out and cures).

 

Using the above techniques I find that the Faskolor paints have always outlasted Pactra and other solvent paints; it seems to be more rubbery than solvent paint and less prone to flaking. It took me a couple of shells before I got the hang of it though.

 

See http://www.cosmic-cat.co.uk/default.asp?pg=1353 for some info on Faskolor techniques.

[Biggins]

It is quite possible that the solvent used in the production of some paints is being banned. Some solvents in the past have been proven to be respiratory sensitisers. This simply means reapted exposure to them can cause a form of Asthma. This is not reversible and if a sensitised person is re-introduced to the substance even after years away the symptoms will start up again. I am in the safety proffesion and if you let me know what the solvent used is I will look it up.

[DimmaDan]

I have contacted a few paint manufacturers to see what they say, bith this side and the other side of the sea!

[thesuper]

Have been told today buy an old friend that certain airbrush paints

will be made unsellable sometime this year due to a new act about

thinner content of airbrush paint. As they are toxic, they are banning

them and have insisted that a water based paint is now used.

It wouldn't surprise me, especially in places like US etc. Places

like that will be stopping selling even lacquer paints for home

handymen, pretty soon it'll be impossible to do stuff like touching up

your 1:1 car in your driveway.

The problem is not the toxicity but the VOCs (Volatile Organic

Compounds) aka mineral alcohols eg thinners. These evaporating solvents

cause smog, "birth defects in the State of California" etc etc

(is there ANYTHING that doesn't cause bad things to babies in Cali??! [])

There will come a day when they ban WD40...! []

 

i totally understand your post.....i wish they would ban McDonald's

food....it's probably worse than anything you could probably get from

spray paint....heheheh

but....on the other hand...as a bike mechanic....i handle all sorts of

checmicals on a daily basis.  while most don't have warnings....i

don't dare touch any of them with a bare hand or use them without a

breathing filter. 

some are quite mild but others contain stuff like toluene and alkalis...nasty stuff.....

[sgt.barnes]

hi dan

heard the same myself apparently they are going to ban all celluose and two pack (cyanide) based paints in favour of water based acrylics.The acrylic technology has improved drastically in the last few years to the point where I belive most new production cars are all now sprayed in them,although I still  think acrylics still do not give as good a finish as a two pack deep gloss.

[WillyChang]

As far as Faskolor goes, I use it all the time now. Hated it when I started as I couldn't get it to work properly, but now that I have a decent compressor and I've learnt the best way to use it I would never return to solvent based paints for Lexan.

 

The main points to remember is that it shouldn't be thinned unless it's really necessary. Solvent paints are thinned to milky consistency to spray, but Faskolor should be more like custard. Each coat should be dried with a hairdryer for 30 seconds or so before applying the next one. And once you have painted the shell, let the paint cure for at least a couple of days before using it (you should notice that the shell gets lighter over 24 hours as the paint fully dries out and cures).

 

Using the above techniques I find that the Faskolor paints have always outlasted Pactra and other solvent paints; it seems to be more rubbery than solvent paint and less prone to flaking. It took me a couple of shells before I got the hang of it though.

I use Faskolor too, seem to get better results from it rather than Pactra - which cobwebs because I think my airbrush's (unadjustable) airflow is too high. Tamiya Spraywork.

I've been thinning Faskolor with Tamiya X20 thinners maybe about 5-10% by volume. Makes it flow better too, especially for the pearls. Some pros say they use Windex (yeah the ammonia window cleaner!) to thin their Fascolor.

I actually warm the lexan with hairdryer before shooting... then use hairdryer again to dry it quicker for the next coat.

Best thing with Faskolor is that... if everything goes wrong, the paint can be scrubbed off after soaking in warm water!! So yeah you can have several goes at painting your one body until you're happy.

When all's perfect, back it with a coat from a Tamiya PS can and that'll water & fuelproof your handywork.

 

[jozza]

I'd forgotten about the advantage with Faskolor of being able to scrub it and start again (of course, I never make a mistake so I wouldn't have thought about that []). Once it has cured I find it is pretty waterproof even when not coated, it's fine to clean it off with water after a bashing session.

[DCM71]

Good thing to about banning nasty substances...

Unlike McDonalds which, if used and eaten in moderation (not once or

twice a week let alone a day you fat slobs), most of these chemicals,

one in your lungs, don't get exhaled and cumulate in there causing long

term non-reversible health problems.

I used to work in the aerospace industry where we would have small

ultrasonic baths full of warm Tri-chloro-ethelyne and that stuff

normaly would strip the grease from your skin and the snot from your

nose, from the bath it would clear your chest to.... doubt it VERY much

it was actualy doing good to my lung.  As for other stuff, I have

seen 'older' people I have worked with drop dead or have things like

heart attacks and severe breathing problems.

So, if they ban thinners, good to.

Faskolor, once you get used to how the differing paints work (white is

probably the hardest to get nice) it is an excellent paint and cleans

up nice and easy (water and some soapy bubbles).

Now, wheres my Super Sized McD's meal... ooh, we don't have super size in the UK!!

[sgt.barnes]

Good thing to about banning nasty substances...

Unlike McDonalds which, if used and eaten in moderation (not once or twice a week let alone a day you fat slobs), most of these chemicals, one in your lungs, don't get exhaled and cumulate in there causing long term non-reversible health problems.

I used to work in the aerospace industry where we would have small ultrasonic baths full of warm Tri-chloro-ethelyne and that stuff normaly would strip the grease from your skin and the snot from your nose, from the bath it would clear your chest to.... doubt it VERY much it was actualy doing good to my lung.  As for other stuff, I have seen 'older' people I have worked with drop dead or have things like heart attacks and severe breathing problems.

So, if they ban thinners, good to.

Faskolor, once you get used to how the differing paints work (white is probably the hardest to get nice) it is an excellent paint and cleans up nice and easy (water and some soapy bubbles).

Now, wheres my Super Sized McD's meal... ooh, we don't have super size in the UK!!

Absolutly agree mate,I used to spray private light aircraft and since I changed my employment even though I wore masks etc my health feels much better for it. But I must also point out that Mc donalds is also very detrimental to your health if not fatal even inhaled just once into your lungs []