Live Steam Mad 17 Posted March 20, 2006 Hi, I'm looking for the WIDE type 1/10th scale CAR bodyshells to go on my off road buggy. Needs to be about 270 mm wheelbase approx. and 235 mm wide approx. The modern 190 / 200 mm wide shells WILL NOT DO.I am mainly looking for a 1980's / early 1990's style shell, something like the Parma Ford Escort RS Cosworth or any Group B cars or similar. I already have a Parma Ford Escort Cosworth in wide format and also the Parma Porsche shell also in wide format but I have no back wings for either of them 8-( We used to race this style of bodyshell almost exclusively in the early 1990's at our track at Earlestown, near St.Helens, Merseyside. Unfortunately no-one seems to make them anymore. I did a search but Bolink, Parma, Frewer and the like don't appear to make them anymore. Anyone know where I can get them? Or reproduction ones? Cheers, Alistair G. (Live Steam Mad on TC) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terry.sc 16 Posted March 20, 2006 Parma still make the Escort Cosworth http://www.helgerracing.com/j7parma/j7body...7body10377.html and a Peugeot 306 http://www.helgerracing.com/j7parma/j7body...7body10187.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Live Steam Mad 17 Posted March 20, 2006 OMG []!!! Terry, you're a STAR!! WOW THANKS FOR THAT MATE IT IS APPRECIATED !! Cheers, Alistair G. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terry.sc 16 Posted March 20, 2006 You might think me an even bigger star , I'm looking at making repros of some of these bodies from my collection, starting with the yellow one bottom right. Don't expect to see them for a few months though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Live Steam Mad 17 Posted March 20, 2006 Actually Terry would you believe it, the yellow 6R4 in your showroom picture has been my desktop wallpaper for several days now after Mike_T told me about your showroom entry!!!! http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp...006135658_4.jpg http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp...006135658_5.jpg MY GOD I WOULD LOVE to get my hands on a 6R4 shell in mint condition. If you ever manage to make repro's of these 6R4 shells then PUT ME DOWN FOR AT LEAST 7 of them. I would be VERY interested in DECAL SETS for them as well. What is the wheelbase and width of the 6R4 shell that you have, in mm? I will be getting about 5 of those Escort shells NIP tomorrow if I manage to get my hands on them, also. They are mostly for going on my newly acquired and hopped up Top Force re-re that I am turning into a TF Evo... My dream is to pass my driving test and go racing again just like I did when my late Father used to take me 15 years ago to Earlestown. Racing stopped there years ago...8-( This time I will have to go to Stockport since that is the only club that is "nearby" for me to get to. Shaun from LHS Vulcan Hobbies goes there racing every Thursday at 7:00 p.m. IIRC. I have a tremendous liking for the Group B rally supercars, I have the Duke DVD's of them, I grew up with them on the TV on the Lombard RAC rally of GB, they're amazing. I also saw that someone had a realistic looking Group B Peugeot 205 in their showroom ;- http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...6393&id=154 http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp...003100556_1.jpg AWESOME!! Any of these Group B shells in 1/10th WIDE format would be VERY welcome, I'll be buying a load of them! Cheers, Alistair G. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Live Steam Mad 17 Posted March 20, 2006 Hi again guys, I was so excited about this, and so wanted to see these shells produced again, that I just wrote a message to Frewer ;- ********************************************************* "Dear Sirs, In the late 1980's / early 1990's you made a series of Lexan (Polycarbonate) bodyshells for 1/10th scale R/C electric off road buggies. These were road-going car body shells, which were "shaped" into "WIDE" format (to fit the 250 mm wide chassis' popular at the time) with a wheelbase of about 270 mm (again to fit the chassis' which were popular back then). They were mostly of the late 1980's / early 1990's style of cars, for example Ford RS 200, Metro 6R4, and so on. I would like to draw your company's attention to the fact that the Off-Road Buggy scene (using "WIDE" 250 mm width buggies) are becomming more popular and making a comeback, especially from Tamiya, the world's no.1 company making these buggies, for example Tamiya have recently re-released the TOP FORCE buggy which these WIDE 1/10th scale bodyshells fit, and the "Dark Impact" buggy from Tamiya is due for imminent release (was shown recently at the world's biggest Hobby / Toy / RC car show at Nuremberg, Germany). Me, along with a significant number of the 14,000 Tamiya Club members over at www.tamiyaclub.com would like very much to see these beautiful bodyshells make a return as they had so much more character than the modern bland looking cars like the oh-so-many Dodge Stratus / Protoform shells that we are all sick of that look identical to each other and look aweful. We would like very much to see some of the Group B Supercars from the 1980's such as the World famous Peugeot 205 16V, Ford Escort RS Cosworth, Ford Sierra RS Cosworth, Ford Escord RS 2000, Talbot, Ford RS200, Metro 6R4, standard mini-Metro, and so on. My favourite is the Metro 6R4! These cars are still very much fondly remembered and much loved amongst R/C motorsport fanatics and I'm sure that a series of these cars would sell well. Indeed, your company (so I have heard) indicated that the best selling body shell from that time was the Frewer "METRO 6R4", this is pictured here for example ;- http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp...006135658_4.jpg http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp...006135658_5.jpg One guy on Tamiya Club also has this body shell which he believes might have been made by Frewer ;- http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp...003100556_1.jpg I would appreciate it if you could tell me as to whether your company has any plans to bring back these R/C body shells in 1/10th scale, WIDE format in clear Lexan (polycarbonate). I looked on your website but could not find anything about these. Sincerely, Alistair Gutcher [address given]" ********************************************************* In fact I was so excited that I cocked it up slightly and had to send it in 2 halves LOL since I hit send a bit early! Should get their attention even more hopefully LOL. Wonder what they will say or even if they will reply? LOL. I noticed that they are in New Zealand so there is a good chance of that at least some of their releases would be of cars that were seen in Britain and Europe in general!! Cheers, Alistair G. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Live Steam Mad 17 Posted March 20, 2006 HEY HEY HEY I just got a reply from Frewer, which was quite encouraging. Can you believe this? LOL. ;- ******************************************************** "Dear Alastair, Yes, we made this body in the pics. We still have most of the moulds you speak of and could reproduce them if needed. From memory the ones you refer to are; (in 250mm wheelbase) Metro 6R4 Ford Sierra Cosworth Peugeot 205 Plus a number of 270mm (235mm wide bodys such as Holden Commodore, Alfa 156, earlier Alfa (made 2 models) Ford RS200, Ford Sierra Sapphire, Ford Mondeo, Vectra, Peugeot 405 plus some more I cannot remember. Can you tell me more about this comeback and what we should be doing and Why. Look forward to hearing from you. Kevin Frewer" ******************************************************** ...I would appreciate it if you guys could give me a few pointers on a reply that I could give to Mr. Frewer (I'm not a flippin' sales man LOL just an R/C fanatic!!)...HELP!! Also THEY STILL HAVE ALL OF THE MOULDS!! Just look at the list of fabulous bodies that Frewer had!! If we show some interest in this then maybe Frewer will do our bidding and make us some new shells!! I wish... Cheers, Alistair G. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incredible_Serious 107 Posted March 20, 2006 Wow, well done Alistair, great response! I would hazard a guess to say that just through Tamiya Club you could sell at least 20 6R4s... I know I'd buy at least 2 or 3... and I'd love an RS200 and a fresh 205 too (to go with my pictured one ;-) ). I have seen Schumacher do limited production runs of ProCats and Cat XLS's after prodding by enthusiasts, so I would love to see Mr Frewer do the same. If I can get a 6R4, then I won't have to try and find a proper body for my Mini Mustang... which means I could RUN IT!!!!! Good luck matey, keep me (us) informed!!! Now I'll leave the floor open for terry.sc ... he will have some thoughts I guarantee ;-) Alex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeT 0 Posted March 20, 2006 That Parma Escort is plain UGLY! Looks like it ran into the wrong end of a bus. Terry, you can also put me down for a 6R4! Even if i haven't got a chassis i'll buy one!! Are you REPRO'ing it yourself, or are Kamtec? Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terry.sc 16 Posted March 21, 2006 If you ever manage to make repro's ofthese 6R4 shells then PUT ME DOWN FOR AT LEAST 7 of them. I would be VERY interested in DECAL SETS for them as well. What is the wheelbase and width of the 6R4 shell that you have, in mm? I will be getting about 5 of those Escort shells NIP tomorrow if I manage to get my hands on them, also. They are mostly for going on my newly acquired and hopped up Top Force re-re that I am turning into a TF Evo... I'll be able to measure the 6R4 tomorrow, but it is designed for the shorter cars from the mid 80s, so the wheelbase will be around 250mm and too short for a Top Force. Looks good on a Hotshot though. The Escort shells should be able to be ordered from anyone who deals with Helger Racing. This time I will have to go to Stockport since that is the onlyclub that is "nearby" for me to get to. Shaun from LHS Vulcan Hobbies goes there racing every Thursday at 7:00 p.m. IIRC. If it's Thursday I guess thats the club I run myself,[] a fun social evenings racing. Fridays is Phoenix Raceway, a much more serious club than mine.[6] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terry.sc 16 Posted March 21, 2006 Terry, you can also put me down for a 6R4! Even if i haven't got a chassis i'll buy one!!Are you REPRO'ing it yourself, or are Kamtec? If I did repro shells I would do them myself. I have a few Kamtec shells and I am not too impressed with the quality of the mouldings, mainly due to the surface finish of the patterns and obvious vent holes moulded into the shells. I would also look at improving the bodies if possible, for example a more scale like wing would be better on the 6R4 and I think the short RS200 has much better wheel arch design than the long version so would look at modifying the design. Generally Kamtecs patterns are just poured into an original body with no chance to alter the design. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terry.sc 16 Posted March 21, 2006 I have seen Schumacher dolimited production runs of ProCats and Cat XLS's after prodding by enthusiasts, so I would love to see Mr Frewer do the same. Yes, Schumacher will do a production run to order as long as you are prepared to pay the setup costs, usually in the £150-200 region, before actually buying any of the shells. Depends on whether Frewer will want the same or if they will have a minimum order. Now I'll leave the floor open for terry.sc ... he will have some thoughts I guarantee ;-) Might have to scrap any plans to repro shells if you can getthem from Frewer themselves, but then again they might only do a one off run. Back tomorrow with some thoughts when I have a bit more time to put my think about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeT 0 Posted March 21, 2006 This time I will have to go to Stockport since that is the only club that is "nearby" for me to get to. Shaun from LHS Vulcan Hobbies goes there racing every Thursday at 7:00 p.m. IIRC. If it's Thursday I guess thats the club I run myself,[] a fun social evenings racing. Fridays is Phoenix Raceway, a much more serious club than mine.[6] Alright lads, I remember Shaun ( Shauns Dad ) telling me that he races at Millenium Raceway. And Al, Stockport isn't really "Nearby" at all is it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incredible_Serious 107 Posted March 21, 2006 I thought you guys might get a kick from this.... put all my wide bodies into my showroom... ;-) http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...856&sid=154 Alex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Live Steam Mad 17 Posted March 30, 2006 Hi Mike, You might view them in a different light maybe if you were to see them in the flesh instead of the photo' in the advert. Here are some pictures that I just took of the ones that I own, they are wonderful to look at IMHO. It's very obvious that a LOT of thought and effort went into the design of the moulds for these shells, they are superb bodyshells, I personally think. See ;- http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...280&id=5475 http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...281&id=5475 I have 2 Parma Ford Escort RS Cosworths on order at Vulcan Hobbies, I'll let you know if anything turns up. BTW anyone got any ideas on a suitable reply that I could give to Frewer to further encourage them to produce a 6R4 shell for us? Cheers, Alistair G. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incredible_Serious 107 Posted March 30, 2006 How about a slap down here of anyone who is prepared to buy a shell... or two... or three? If Mr Frewer sees how many are wanted, it might sway his decision. I personally want two, one to replace my original one (Computervision paint scheme), and another to run (paintscheme unknown). If they were available, I would probably order more over time. Who else is up for it? 2 will not work.... need many more definite orders than that... Terry.sc, can you please put up here the dimensions of the body (track, wheelbase), so that we can measure our old buggies? I know mine fit on a Mini Mustang, but it might help others who have a chassis and don't know if the body will fit... Alex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BiggusDitchus 38 Posted March 30, 2006 I know motomodels on the Wirral have some Alfa body shells that would fit a buggy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gruntfuggly 562 Posted March 30, 2006 Put me down for a 6R4 and a RS200 pease... (either terry's or Frewers) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeT 0 Posted March 30, 2006 6R4 Here too Hey Al, do i get a shell when i buy your buggy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terry.sc 16 Posted March 30, 2006 Terry.sc, can you please put up herethe dimensions of the body (track, wheelbase), so that we can measure our old buggies? I know mine fit on a Mini Mustang, but it might help others who have a chassis and don't know if the body will fit... Alex Oops, forgot about that, too much to do and not enough time to do them recently. Anyway here they are: Short original RS200 (I think the mould would have been modified to create the later version) Width Front arches 215mm Rear arches 230mm Wheelbase 250mm Long later RS200 (the one Frewer still has the mould for) Width Front arches 237mm Rear arches 245mm Wheelbase 255 to 280mm Metro 6R4 Width Front arches 220mm Rear arches 230mm Wheelbase 250mm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamiya King 1 Posted April 1, 2006 Parma still make the Escort Cosworthhttp://www.helgerracing.com/j7parma/j7body...7body10377.html and a Peugeot 306 http://www.helgerracing.com/j7parma/j7body...7body10187.html This Cosworth body would be perfect for my Slngshot, but the website doesn't allow you to order them??????? Where can I order one ????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terry.sc 16 Posted April 1, 2006 ParmaPSE make the bodies, Helger Racing are the UK distributors so do not sell direct. Most UK model shops can order them, but they will have to be a special order. Lets wait and see if they arrive for Alistair, if they do I will be ordering one myself. They aren't listed on www.parmapse.com, I presume they don't expect to sell any of them in the USA. You could try contacting them to see if they could supply one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeT 0 Posted April 2, 2006 Hi Mike, You might view them in a different light maybe if you were to see them in the flesh instead of the photo' in the advert. Very True. Yours looks ALOT better! Just thinking about these wide bodied car/buggy things.. Thought of a few shells i'd love to see; Ford Escort Mk1 ( Bubble Arches ); http://www.rafmsa.co.uk/gallery2/13.jpg Ford Escort Mk2 Mexico ; http://galeria.forocoches.com/data/3101/19...Mexico_-_02.jpg Ford Escort Mk2 RS2000 ; http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/car_info/white.jpg ( Spotted a trend ? ) Mk1 Golf GTi ; http://www.angelfire.com/film/auto_photo_g..._GTi_Mk1_11.jpg Heh, also would love to see some Sierra's. Hey Al, you know they race buggies in Southport too? ( Scorcher on the beach, followed by buggy on the track [] ) Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
