Impending F350 Hilift release

[Constructor]

Does anyone reckon the value of existing vintage 3 speeds will come down to respectable levels with the advent of the new tamiya 3 speed?

Have the days of 300-600 resto's/1000+ NIBs gone?

I hope so

[Shodog]

Because this truck is so different, I doubt you will see much dip in price.  It's possible that the F350 will reignite interest in this type of truck driving the prices even more skyward.

[MikeT]

I TOTALLY AGREE.

If they did a Re-Release, with EXACT parts, then they would drop significantly i think.

[Constructor]

I think all the people who are after the joy of 3 speeds, will have a much cheaper option now.  Driving down demand for the originals.

 

[Guest DImblum]

I wouldn't be surprised if some members try to retrofit a Bruiser body etc to the new Hi-Lift. If it's an easy conversion, then it may definately drive down the price of the original 3-speeds.

[Constructor]

Good call.  Exactly what I'm thinking

[OCD]

Too bad that a Toyata body will cost you nearly as much as an entire Hi-Lift kit.

No matter how close this comes to a vintage 3-speed, it will never replace it in terms a popularity and nostalgia.

Imagine a Blitzer-bodied Frog re-re running next to an actual Sand Scorcher and I think you'll see what I mean..

-Steve

[Shodog]

I wouldn't be surprised if some members try to retrofit a Bruiser body etc to the new Hi-Lift. If it's an easy conversion, then it may definately drive down the price of the original 3-speeds.

I doubt that would happen.  There are far more bodiless bruiser chassis's than the other way around.  you can bet if someone finds a bruiser body, it's going to go on a bruiser chassis.

[Typhoon]

I think all the people who are after the joy of 3 speeds, will have a much cheaper option now.  Driving down demand for the originals.

 

 

I think this is wishfull thinking. The High Lift, other than the 3 speed gear box, has very little in common with a Hilux, Blazer, Bruiser or Mountaineer. Its almost akin to saying that the Frog Re Re will bring down the price of a Scorcher as every one after a vintage 2 WD buggy will buy the Frog rather than spend £££'s on Scorcher. Unless they bring out a ReRe Bruiser there will be no effect on price.

[Constructor]

That's why I think it's a good thing.  It's the transmission which makes the orig 3 speeds desirable.  It's completely different. 

Whatever body goes on top, is not really the issue for me.

I think what tamiya have done is superb,  I had to fork out for my 959 and my hotshot, I'm just glad to have a modern-day equivalent and make the 3 speed model now accesible.

I won't have to fork out a small fortune to buy an orig 3-speed.

What's even more evident is the sudden influx of sales of the orig models starting to show up.

[Shodog]

Its almost akin to saying that the Frog Re Re will bring down the price of a Scorcher as every one after a vintage 2 WD buggy will buy the Frog rather than spend £££'s on Scorcher.

 

Thats a great analogy.  While the F350 will be similar in concept to the other three speeds it will be a whole different animal.  Everyone has their reason for wanting a vintage three speed.  I think a few of the top factors are scale appearance, realistic drivning experience and collectabiltiy.  While the F350 will have the scale appearance, it's going to drive ten times better than any bruiser .  Collectability will take a few years to earn.

[HunterZero]

I'd say you are far more likely to see people on here retrofitting the F-350 body to their bodiless bruiser chassis than the other way around!

The F-350 is just too different a chassis to impact the price of the original 3-speeds. I can guarantee the F-350's release will have no impact on the price of vintage 3-speeders. All it will do is give people without the funds or luck in finding one an option to buy a 3-speeder.

I think the analogy Blitzer Beetle is to Sand Scorcher as F-350 will be to Hilux is pretty spot on. It may look similar, but it just doesn't have the nostalgia of the original.

- James

[Shodog]

 It's the transmission which makes the orig 3 speeds desirable. 

For me this is the least desirable piece on the Bruiser.  The transmission is weak and problematic from stripping the slipper to grinding the gears.  The semi truck tranny is a lot better designed. 

The real appeal of the bruiser is it's scale appearance. 

[HunterZero]

Have to agree with Shodog here about the scale appearance. It's the scale appearance of the chassis with all the metal that I find most appealing with the Bruiser. Having the cool 3-speed transmission and a nicely detailed body that matches the chassis really well is just gravy.

- James

[Tamiya1/10]

Does anyone reckon the value of existing vintage 3 speeds will come down to respectable levels with the advent of the new tamiya 3 speed?

Have the days of 300-600 resto's/1000+ NIBs gone?

I hope so

I hope so too, but it may come down initially as collectors with several 3spds or willing to give up the old for the new could effect the supply side given not everyone likes the 350 can effort it.  Overtime the original 3spds. will retain their value with the odd dips and steep raises in price are normal.  My advise, hold onto the original if possible and silcone all rubber parts...your grand or great grand children will love ou when they inherit it at 21.

Sincerely

Nick Leason

 

[Corpse Thrower]

I hope the price of the older 3 speeds drops dramatically. Since the impending release of this truck I've been finding myself drooling over the older kits, wanting an older one more and more.

One word:

STEEL!!

This is what makes the older kits so awesome.

Honestly, in my opinion the high lift will never affect the price of the older 3 speeds. Sure the chassis is steel, so are the springs, but its not the same. Nothing will ever replace those alloy diffs......come to think of it the old chassis as well....heaps more desirable.

[Shodog]

STEEL!!

This is what makes the older kits so awesome.

Honestly, in my opinion the high lift will never affect the price of the older 3 speeds. Sure the chassis is steel, so are the springs, but its not the same.

Technically the new F350 looks to have an aluminum chassis similar to what is used on the 1/14 scale big rigs.

Nothing will ever replace those alloy diffs......come to think of it the old chassis as well....heaps more desirable.

The vintage three speeds never had diffs, they were solid spools and calling the cheap pot metal they used "alloy" would be a big stretch. 

I feel like the defender of the F350 faith but I really feel that the new truck is going to be killer.  I just hope it doesn't turn out like the piece of junk chassis Tamiya realeased with the F350 body.

[Dephcon5]

I feel like the defender of the F350 faith but I really feel that the new truck is going to be killer.  I just hope it doesn't turn out like the piece of junk chassis Tamiya realeased with the F350 body.

 

I think Im in full agreement on this

[Corpse Thrower]

The vintage three speeds never had diffs, they were solid spools and calling the cheap pot metal they used "alloy" would be a big stretch. 

I feel like the defender of the F350 faith but I really feel that the new truck is going to be killer.  I just hope it doesn't turn out like the piece of junk chassis Tamiya realeased with the F350 body.

Cheap pot metal or not, steel is still more desirable to me than plastic.

Same reason that the new truck type gearbox is less desirable to me than the older one.....its made of alu....errr, I mean pot metal.[:S] It may function better, but thats not the charm of one of these.

I used the phrase "diffs" because thats what they look like. I don't subscribe to "exactism" I'm afraid. "Generalizationism" suits my needs perfectly.[]

[HunterZero]

I think what Corpse Thrower meant by the 'diffs' on the old three speeds was the realistic looking 'diff' housings. The casings on the old 3-speeds featured a diff bulge of a scale size, and as a result were probably too small to house a working differential and ring gear of sufficient strength.

The trouble with the diff casings on the 1/14 trucks, clods etc and now the F350 is that they have foregone scale appearance of the diff casings, and enlarged them so they can fit a working diff. Maybe not so bad on the 1/14 rigs, since I know some real-life trucks have huge diffs, but on the F350 it looks a bit odd.

- James

[bling_it]

I like the look of the new F350 but it does look abit toyish and i cant decide wether or not to wait for this or buy a globe liner as i want one Tamiya modal that is a "scale" model. I sometimes think the F350 looks abit to much like a toy but it looks good none the less when is it going to be released anyway?

[acorn]

Is it not possible that the F350 will increase the price of the old

models?  Could it not serve as a kind of advert or pointer to the

old models?

[Shodog]

I think what Corpse Thrower meant by the 'diffs' on the old three speeds was the realistic looking 'diff' housings. The casings on the old 3-speeds featured a diff bulge of a scale size, and as a result were probably too small to house a working differential and ring gear of sufficient strength.

The trouble with the diff casings on the 1/14 trucks, clods etc and now the F350 is that they have foregone scale appearance of the diff casings, and enlarged them so they can fit a working diff. Maybe not so bad on the 1/14 rigs, since I know some real-life trucks have huge diffs, but on the F350 it looks a bit odd.

- James

you said it yourself " were probably too small to house a working differential and ring gear of sufficient strength"  you can't have it both ways, you need the extra size to house the diff.  One thing you didn't mention was just how flimsyk the bruiser axle was.  With just a couple of small jumps you can bend one of the axles.  That pot metal is super soft, actually soft enough to bend it by hand.  While the axle pumpkin looks out of scale with the 1.9 tire, it looks right at home with a 2.2 which I think is what most of the trucks will be wearing after their owners get a hold of them.

Provided that tamiya sorts out any issues before releasing it, they should have a hugely sucessful truck.  Look at the industry spawned by the TLT or even the T-maxx for that matter.  You can bet aftermarket manufacturers with have their CNC mills running 24/7 making all sorts of sweet aluminum candy.

[billg4]

I've already got 2.2 wheels tires and if needed axle extenders ready for my hilift

 

As for it effecting the price of the orig 3 speeders, I doubt it'll lower the price, more likely raise prices

[Constructor]

Not convinced that the price of the oldies will rise.

There's two types of people after the originals, those who want the 3 speed and those want the scale.  (both after the truck design)

The 350 takes care of the 3 speed and that just leaves the scalies.

Less demand for the originals = ....  Simple.

One thing for def - it's going to be interesting watching this one develop.