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This is how i can describe it, if i were to

take many off-roaders, different models and enlarge them to full scale

The

hotshot would get to be the real car simply because it looks exactly

like a full scale sandmaster. The triangle wheel hubs which you can see

the three dots on the rims where they lock in place, it looks just like

a real 4x4 drive system.The akuminum heatsinks. I can write

pages...

This is why I asked, and that Mickey Thompson buggy

looks nothing like a Hotshot. I must agree with everyone that it looks

just like a Gallop though.

Even though a full size Hotshot or

similar doesn't exist, that doesn't mean the Hotshot isn't realistic.

No full size off roaders have such huge wishbones like the

Hotshot and monoshock suspension at both ends and a low profile

cockpit. On the basis of being realistic means looking like it could

practically exist in full size the Hotshot would have 20 inch wheels

with low profile tyres. I would therefore consider the Hotshots rival

the Optima considerably more realistic, the Optima also performed

considerably better and totally outclassed it on the track. Yet very

few are interested in Kyoshos at all.

Hiber, there are loads of

great Kyoshos that look even more realistic yet perform much better

than any 80s Tamiya. As you are a fan of decent engineering check

Darryns showroom for AYKs, especially his gorgeous Viper. You certainly

wouldn't want to throw one of those in the bin when you've finished

building it.

Despite Japan being the majority for the

Thundershot and other cars, they would increase their audience for

catering on a broader scale of entheusiasts.

Actually us enthusiasts are a very small percentage of R/Cers in the

world, and Tamiyas sales in Japan has always been bigger than the rest

of the world put together. Again there is an even smaller percentage of

enthusiasts who would be interested in aHotshot rerelease compared to a

Frog, Hornet or Top Force. We are but a very small minority within

another minority unfortunately.

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No full size off roaders have such huge wishbones like the Hotshot and monoshock suspension at both ends and a low profile cockpit. On the basis of being realistic means looking like it could practically exist in full size the Hotshot would have 20 inch wheels with low profile tyres. I would therefore consider the Hotshots rival the Optima considerably more realistic,

No real argument here. I think the Optima looks great as well. It may well be more realistic to some. But that still doesn't mean the Hotshot fails to tap into a realism that we recognise or accept, as I said earlier.

It's probably worth just mentioning that no toy car - whether it be a scale model, die cast or R/C, is a pure miniature of a full sized car. To be so, it would need operating windscreen wipers, engine valves - everything. I just mention this because it means the debate about realism really starts from a point of compromise, not a point of absolute perfection. Every model car ever made has had it's realism compromised in some way. It's just a question of how much. And "how much" is really a matter of personal opinion, aesthetics and preferences. So if you prefer the Optima - or Kyoshos in general - that's perfectly cool.

, the Optima also performed considerably better and totally outclassed it on the track. Yet very few are interested in Kyoshos at all.
Hiber, there are loads of great Kyoshos that look even more realistic yet perform much better than any 80s Tamiya. As you are a fan of decent engineering check Darryns showroom for AYKs, especially his gorgeous Viper. You certainly wouldn't want to throw one of those in the bin when you've finished building it.

Sometimes I wonder if people take me for some sort of Tamiya evangelist...you know, sleeping between sheets emblazoned with huge red and blue stars, inside a house shaped like a giant white kit box. Or reading the catalogues every day, and hugging my Frog every night before bed. Crazy stuff. Well, I can assure you that I don't do any more than about 60% of those things.

Seriously though, big fan of Tamiya like anyone. But bigger fan of 1980s R/C as a whole. I own more non-Tamiyas, than Tamiyas. Fascinated by everything and anything from the 80s era, when all R/C toys had an emphasis on cool features and realism.

Being pro-Tamiya does not mean being anti-Kyosho either - I love the look of Kyoshos. Turbo Scorpion is a favourite. And those AYKs are superb. Almost as good as my Mugen Bulldog II. [H]

As for the performance issue, well, that's just not important...to me. Modern buggies wipe the floor with old Kyoshos as well as old Tamiyas - but that doesn't impress me one bit. If anything, a few vintage performance inadequacies can often mean something is way more fun to drive. Nobody holds the Wild Willy's racing performance up as a virtue. Yet it's legend is undeniable.

For me, realistic retro looks and design complexity are where the vintage hobby is at. Those are what I like most, no matter what the brand is.

Tamiyas are special because there's a magic about their overall design and appearance that captivated a whole generation of 80's kids. I think Tamiya put more art and science into making their cars fun, than anyone else did.

cheers,

H.

 

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 For those who suggest it is realistic can anyone suggest a full size car that looks anything like a Hotshot?  

This one ? ;-)

Driven by the famous Mickey Thompson..

 

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Great picture mate!! Also that www.tamiyabase.com web site is very interesting.. Super job to the man in charge of that site!!![Y][Y]

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Sometimes I wonder if people take me for some sort of Tamiya evangelist..

Certainly not - I do wonder about your Bulldog obsession though![^o)][:D]

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Yeah - I admit the Bulldog II isn't for everyone. Or perhaps, anyone [:|]

Those darn sentimental memories are to blame yet again for this particular obsession. In those early years of R/C discovery, I came across a Mugen Bulldog II in a local electronics store catalogue from 1986. With a great photo, talk of 4WD and 4WS, and decals like "Racing Magician" and "Concept of speed produced by Mugen", I was sucked in by it's gorgeous 1980s gorgeousity. [:P] My Dad and I used to look at the picture, and wonder if we'd ever own this rare model.

To bring this back on topic, the Bulldog (I and II) were effectively Mugen's "Hotshot" in a sense. (It's a pity that Mugen still exists as a company, when all they manufacture these days is *****s.)

cheers,

H. 

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http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...58&id=11271 It made me curios.

Even the hot shot 2 is a better looking car in my opinion. But since collecting also is about sentimentality, I don't think it is strange that it is your obsession.

Terry, you write that we are a truly small group of people and so on. Makes me think that we can't know that for sure. You are offcourse right, but if it had been out there, markeded propperly?

We should have had a brand with huge b's, witch made frame buggy's and heavy 4wd's with lot of high tech solutions. Stabilizers, 2 speed trannies, brakes, 4ws, maybe a camera and LCD on the transmitter. And that new tech, temp and speed shown on the display. Comes RTR without batteries at 1212 euros... Sorry for this blabbering. But I cant help thinking that the first buggies was about expirementing, and that the time will come for some more soon. We have drifting, crawlig, eh freestyling. Can't see why we cant have a buggy class with a lower weight limit (over 1 kg), or a number of shock limit.

Maybe in some years, the components are even cheaper, and this could be done without performing financial suicide.  

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I'm not sure I understand the logic behind the argument that Tamiya wouldn't re-release the Hotshot because its in to much of a minority market. If Tamiya re-re'd the Hotshot I dare say pretty much everybody belonging to this club would by at least one (possibly 4 or 5 in the case of some people) which is more than could be said for the Keen Hawk. Much as the US and the EU is a small market for Tamiya I'm sure they would like it to be bigger. If the US and EU have differing tastes in RC cars to Japan (ie we don't really go for cars that look like they drove out of Star Wars) why don't Tamiya pander to them? They may end up selling a few cars.   


I can however completely understand the argument that Tamiya would never re-re the Hotshot simply because it was never that great a car in the first place.

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 If Tamiya re-re'd the Hotshot I

dare say pretty much everybody belonging to this club would by at least

one (possibly 4 or 5 in the case of some people)

 

Beg

to differ. Some of us on the club (myself included) don't have the

funds to run out and by every single car that strikes our fancy. Not to

mention, many people (once again, like myself) already own a Hotshot,

and would be happy about it's release, but wouldn't dish out the $$$

for another one. I'd love it if Tamiya rereleased  the Hotshot,

but I'd not buy one; I aready have one .

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If Tamiya re-re'd the Hotshot I dare say pretty

much everybody belonging to this club would by at least one (possibly 4

or 5 in the case of some people) which is more than could be said for

the Keen Hawk.

Following that logic every TC member would also

have bought a Frog, Hornet and Top Force. There are only 84 rerelease

Frogs listed in peoples showrooms. As the majority of TC members are

more interested in older SRBs and 3 speeds most of them will have no

interest in a Hotshot rerelease so Tamiya would be lucky to sell a few

hundred to TC members. I suspect Tamiya will sell loads of Keen Hawks,

after all it is the great Dark Impact chassis with a body that has lots

of cooling vents built in. It certainly looks a lot better than its

direct competitors the Yokomo MR4BC and Academy SB4.

Much as the US and the EU is a small market for Tamiya

I'm sure they would like it to be bigger. If the US and EU have

differing tastes in RC cars to Japan (ie we don't really go for cars

that look like they drove out of Star Wars) why don't Tamiya pander to

them? They may end up selling a few cars.

Electric buggies are still big in Japan. If Tamiya

pandered to the US and EU markets they would forget about electric

buggies and start building huge nitro trucks and nitro rallycross

buggies, that's what sells around the rest of the world these days.

In electric buggies at least Tamiya want to make buggies with some

sense of style, even if it isn't your personal taste. There does seem

to be several styling cues from the Bigwig in the Keen Hawk. Every

other buggy has a body that is a featureless blob designed purely to

cover the electrics. This actually makes the Keen Hawk appealing to

newcomers around the world as it just looks more purposeful to a

beginner compared with every other buggy on the market these days and

means Tamiya gives you a choice of body styles for the DF-03 chassis.

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Amongst TC members the re-releases (at least the Hornet, Frog, and Grasshopper) do see  to be selling better than anything Tamiya currently offers, except for the F-350.  But I suppose that is to be expected given that this is a Tamiya collector's site, not a kid's wish-list site. 

Still, since Tamiya decided it wanted to do re-releases, and presumably knew it was appealing to the collector market, the Hotshot would have seemed to be a pretty good call.  Most popular 4WD on the site, after all.  The Thundershot seems not to have worked out, given its short production run.  Rather than doing a show survey, they should just have looked at this site.

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If Tamiya re-re'd the Hotshot I dare say pretty

much everybody belonging to this club would by at least one (possibly 4

or 5 in the case of some people) which is more than could be said for

the Keen Hawk.

Following that logic every TC member would also

have bought a Frog, Hornet and Top Force. There are only 84 rerelease

Frogs listed in peoples showrooms. As the majority of TC members are

more interested in older SRBs and 3 speeds most of them will have no

interest in a Hotshot rerelease so Tamiya would be lucky to sell a few

hundred to TC members. I suspect Tamiya will sell loads of Keen Hawks,

after all it is the great Dark Impact chassis with a body that has lots

of cooling vents built in. It certainly looks a lot better than its

direct competitors the Yokomo MR4BC and Academy SB4.

Much as the US and the EU is a small market for Tamiya

I'm sure they would like it to be bigger. If the US and EU have

differing tastes in RC cars to Japan (ie we don't really go for cars

that look like they drove out of Star Wars) why don't Tamiya pander to

them? They may end up selling a few cars.

Electric buggies are still big in Japan. If Tamiya

pandered to the US and EU markets they would forget about electric

buggies and start building huge nitro trucks and nitro rallycross

buggies, that's what sells around the rest of the world these days.

In electric buggies at least Tamiya want to make buggies with some

sense of style, even if it isn't your personal taste. There does seem

to be several styling cues from the Bigwig in the Keen Hawk. Every

other buggy has a body that is a featureless blob designed purely to

cover the electrics. This actually makes the Keen Hawk appealing to

newcomers around the world as it just looks more purposeful to a

beginner compared with every other buggy on the market these days and

means Tamiya gives you a choice of body styles for the DF-03 chassis.


Come off it though, to say most Tamiya collectors will have no interest in a re-re'd Hotshot is more than a slight exageration. The Hotshot is one of the most sought after cars the company ever made, you don't have to look far to find evidence for that. The re-re's may well be a small market for Tamiya but they are a market never the less. Presumably 84 brand new Frogs to Tamiya is better than no Frogs to Tamiya, especially since developement costs to the company have long since been paid for. 

Like I said earlier though I can see why they didn't re-re the Hotshot since it was a comparably flawed car. But then again I can't really see the logic of re-reing the Thunder Shot over say the Monster Beetle. 

 I personally think a big part of the reason why not many people of any age are into RC off road cars in general is that they look so awful these days. In that respect I can see why on road RC cars are more popular, simply because they look a whole lot better. It may well be my personal taste that makes me dislike modern buggy design but there must be something in the fact that I seem to be in the majority and not the minority. The appeal of the 80's buggies is about a whole lot more than just nostalgia, most of them simply looked great. 

The amount of people round here who have thus far said how awful the Keen Hawk looks makes think Tamiya won't be selling loads of them (to TC members anyway) 

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Hi, Im new so please forgive me if ive posted this in the wrong forum, but I have a Hotshot 1 my dad brought me 30 years ago, ( who now has passed away) anyway it was all up and running until saturday, when a friends little bloke decession to push down on the back end and broke the rear arms (i think  thats the part) I really need to find this part. it means so much to me , i have'nt sleeped because of it. is there anyone out there that can help me? i do have pics . Kas

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Oh, no not the Hot Shot. Better re-release the Boomerang, 'cos it has a less overengineered design. The monoshocks, ahhhhhhh, especially the rear monoshock is simply mental and think about the rc box! Anyone ever drove such a car? I mean do you know how hard the msc and electronics are accessible? You need to remove so many screws in order to get to those parts.

No, the Boomerang is so much better and probably the only car of the Hot Shot based cars that is worth to be rereleased. But even the Boomerang has so many disadvantages like the ratteling and inneffective shaft drive and the high friction steering bar. No, I don't think they will ever rerelease any of the Hot Shot based cars. They already re-released the similar Thundershot, a very good car compared to the Hot Shot, and did you all buy it? No! It they are intelligent, and I am sure they are, they will stop rereleasing unmodified vintage cars. It's good that they now tend to do re-releases with modern chassis, that is the way to go. Maybe they will do a NEO Shot? MHHmmm, there was something, but I forgot.....[;)]

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Come off it though, to say most Tamiya collectors will have no interest in a re-re'd Hotshot is more than a slight exageration. The Hotshot is one of the most sought after cars the company ever made, you don't have to look far to find evidence for that. The re-re's may well be a small market for Tamiya but they are a market never the less. Presumably 84 brand new Frogs to Tamiya is better than no Frogs to Tamiya, especially since developement costs to the company have long since been paid for. 

Like I said earlier though I can see why they didn't re-re the Hotshot since it was a comparably flawed car. But then again I can't really see the logic of re-reing the Thunder Shot over say the Monster Beetle.

Big error above, development costs may have been paid, but setting up a production line, new manuals, decals, moulds (as most are worn after some runs and storage in Japan is expensive) costs alot of money, so even re-releases must sell in quite some numbers (although not as much as a new design) to reach the break-even point. Otherwise Tamiya would have propably made a SS TamiyaClub special release by now, as any income is desirable [;)]

We must try to see things outside our own glasses, something isn't generally cool and desirable just as we like it or grew up with it. As it has been said endless times, Tamiyas biggest mraket is the internal one and there propably the Thunder Shot is more desired then a Monster Beetle. We of course can dream of Tamiya releasing the favourite kit of our youth, or cars like Escort Mk. II as few people have said here, but the chances are close to nill as objecticely those kits would sell peanuts in comparison to an ugly fast monster truck or tourer.

Cheers

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Hi, Im new so please forgive me if ive posted this in the wrong forum, but I have a Hotshot 1 my dad brought me 30 years ago, ( who now has passed away) anyway it was all up and running until saturday, when a friends little bloke decession to push down on the back end and broke the rear arms (i think  thats the part) I really need to find this part. it means so much to me , i have'nt sleeped because of it. is there anyone out there that can help me? i do have pics . Kas

Try the manual section here to find the approriate number(s) and put an add in the trade section of the forum or better look in ebay. Btw, the HS was released in 1985 so yours can be maximum 21 years old.

Cheers 

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Before the re-releases of the frog, thundershot, grashopper etc... i did not see one of them up for sale for over $1000 like the hotshot currently does. In fact not even close to that amount, meaning, the hotshot1 would obviously sell much better than the frog, thundershot, grasshopper and other re-release.

If it was worth it to release the abovementioned which it was because they did re release all of them, then obviously the hotshot1 would be topping sales in comparison with the other re-releases.

Also anyone know who the company was that sold those fake hotshot cars i've seen on ebay, the copy on the box looked the same as the tamiya, but it was without any name? Anyone build and drove one?

 

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The Hot Shot are getting this prices because of it's rareness. Simple as that. If they make a repro body, it will go down! If they made a rerelease, they would go much down. I don't know the hotshot that well, but I know that it mostly some items that make prices go sky high. For instance a Porsche 959 with its arms intact is much more worth than one with one broken arm. That is also the deal with the hotshot, manny rare parts, makes it expensive to restore. Apart from the fact that the cars you mentiond are all rere, they also was what I like to refer to as the first working class RC buggies. They where pretty cheap. A Striker or a Sonic fighter never was a rere, but they still are much cheaper than a HotShot because they where much simpler and also, i guess, sold in larger quanteties.

Cheers

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But the fact of the matter is the Hotshot may have looked amazing and be hugely sought after but it was and is a sub-par 4WD car. Tamiya quickly upgraded it to the Supershot, Boomerang, Bigwig etc. I do agree the with argument that why would Tamiya re-release a sub-par buggy that breaks easily? It also had a fair few metal parts, something we all know adds hugely to their overheads. They re-re'd the Thundershot and Top Force because both those cars are seen as good performers (even if you don't care for their looks) based on good solid design and are mostly plastic.


I agree that had Tamiya re-released the Hotshot it probably would have sold better than all those that were but not enough to justify itself. And again Tamiya probably wouldn't want the extra headache of having to aftermarket support broken buggies (because lets face it people would put 11 turn motors in them and end up destroying them)

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Before the re-releases of the frog,

thundershot, grashopper etc... i did not see one of them up for sale

for over $1000 like the hotshot currently does. In fact not even close

to that amount, meaning, the hotshot1 would obviously sell much

better than the frog, thundershot, grasshopper and other

re-release.

That price is way too high for a Hotshot, NIB ones

usually sell for around $600, occasionally prices can get high but then

come down again. There was a Hotshot on ebay recently that was priced

at $1100 but it didn't sell. The fact that a seller was asking a lot

doesn't mean it is worth that price. I could advertise a Striker on

ebay at $1000 it doesn't mean it is worth that much, I'm just being

hopeful that someone is daft enough to pay the inflated price.

Before

the rereleases the price of all those mentioned, AND the price of the

Hotshot as well, weren't that high. The fact that two people want a kit

so badly they bid it up really high gives absolutely no indication of

the market. As an example a Hotshot suspension upgrade kit once sold

for $130 purely because two bidders with plenty of cash were bidding

against each other, after that auction prices came back down again to

$30-40. If you just want a runner Hotshot worn examples can be picked

up for less than $100 and I suspect most of those are bought as a spare

part supply. Based on ebay prices there are lots of other kits that

would be more desirable as a rerelease.

If it was worth

it to release the abovementioned which it was because they did re

release all of them, then obviously the hotshot1 would be topping sales

in comparison with the other re-releases.

When they were all

originally released Tamiya certainly sold a lot more Frogs, Hornets,

Grasshoppers and Thundershots than they sold Hotshots. Based on the

price of the Frog compared to the later model a Hotshot rerelease would

likely be more expensive than the Top Force. Given the choice I suspect

most people would choose the Top Force - at least you could run it hard

without worrying about a Top Force falling apart.

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A rerelesed Hotshot would not be as fragile as the original because the

original was made of a very brittle plastic. However, there is one

option that has not yet been discussed: Why shouldn't Tamiya resease a

Hotshot-bodied car with an updated chassis underneath, like the Wild

Willy 2. They could better it's durablility, increase its turnig

radious, ease acces to the electronics, etc; yet keep the original

wheelbase, width, rideheight, etc. They could even go so far as to keep

the monoshock setup, in the front anyway. Something like that would

sell like hotcakes!  

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Why shouldn't Tamiya resease a Hotshot-bodied car with an updated chassis underneath, like the Wild Willy 2. They could better it's durablility, increase its turnig radious, ease acces to the electronics, etc; yet keep the original wheelbase, width, rideheight, etc. They could even go so far as to keep the monoshock setup, in the front anyway. Something like that would sell like hotcakes!  

I'd wager that wouldn't sell. You'd lose the nostalgia freaks by updating the chassis under the body too much. I wouldn't buy it. You might as well re-release the Boomerang, or as Tamiya chose to do, the Thunder Shot.

If they re-re'd the Boomerang, at least then we'd have F and G parts for the old Hot Shot.

Anything more than a few minor updates to the car to make it a bit more robust and iron out any problem areas and it'd no longer really be a Hot Shot and you'd lose the nostalgia. And you'd lose the parts compatibility for people who own an older Hot Shot to repair their cars. You would have to keep the suspension arms and gear cases, and possibly use the Hot Shot 2 chassis with the access hatch instead of the sealed one.

Witness the Frog - they chose to only make minor changes to that, which was a good thing as it means the parts are compatible with the older cars, and the nostalgia freaks aren't put off by the changes. And re-releasing it that way also allowed Monster Beetle, Brat etc. fans to cannibalise it for some parts to repair their rides.

Part of the appeal of the Hot Shot is its complexity. It's a fun car to build. Take that away and you've lost another area of the old car market.

I do believe that a re-re Hot Shot wouldn't cost more than a re re Top Force. The Hot Shot actually doesn't have that many custom metal parts in it. Most of those are pressed metal, not cast or machined, plus you could drop the aluminium resistors and simplify the prop shaft. It has a pretty high parts count overall, but most of the extra parts are plastic. The metal diff gears are the same as those in the Frog anyway. In fact, the Frog probably has about as many metal parts to it. Even the Top Force has quite a few bits made from exotic materials in it, like the FRP chassis plates/stays and all the aluminium chassis stand-offs. They even kept the 2-piece spur gear, which could quite easily have been replaced with a one-piece unit and nobody'd care. But Tamiya obviously cared enough about keeping the re-release faithful that they kept it as a 2-piece.

Tamiya probably thought they could not do justice to the Hot Shot by re-releasing it without updating it too far, and so chose to release a buggy from the 2nd generation 4WD.

- James

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Also anyone know who the company was that sold those fake hotshot cars i've seen on ebay, the copy on the box looked the same as the tamiya, but it was without any name? Anyone build and drove one?

 

I'm in the process of restoring a fake Super Shot (look here). I didn't receive the box with it so I don't know who made it. What I can say is that the parts are interchangeable between the original and the fake (unlike the Chinese Baja Champ ripoff that has completely different sized parts). I'm currently building it with the original parts (which are of lesser quality than tamiya but nonetheless good enough), and my intention is to swap to tamiya parts whenever a part will break (its going to be a runner).

In regard to the Hotshot rerelease, I'd like to say that I'm eagerly waiting to it since the Frog rerelease was annonced. At the time, some tamiya club members which have some connection to tamiya employees hinted that the Hotshot rerelease will be on the next 'big' rerelease wave. I haven't yet lost hope... I think that the production cost vs. market size arguments are basically correct, but no TC member (unless he is tamiya employee) has access to actual production cost numbers or to market research figures (all we have is a 'hunch' based on ebay pricing, Hotshot past popularity as we remember it from the 80's, and, of course, from forum talks such as this one).

I would also like to comment about 'the rereleases are over after the 934/hilift release' notion. To the best of my knowledge this is based on a short article in a japanese paper that mentioned it as an afterthought. Even if it was true, a lot of factors have changed since then, and a dynamic company like tamiya can certainly change its plans due to factors such as product popularity, vintage races growing popularity, product sales (of course...) and marketing. I wrote that last factor because I suspect tamiya intend to rerelease the hotshot together with the tamtech hotshot just like it did with the Frog/Hornet is order to boost sales on the latter. Another important factor for sales evaluation that has already been mentioned (and I think tamiya marketing people are taking into account) is parts interchangeablity (is there such a word?!) with similar models. Just like rereleased Frog kits/parts were bought by Blackfoot/Monster Beetle/Brat etc. owners to help rebuild their cars, so will Boomerang/Supershot/Bigwig owners will buy parts for their cars.

to summarize my post: stay optimist

 

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That Hornet, Frog, Grasshopper or even Blackfoot sold dozens more then HS is a fact, not speculation. Hornet was the most sold Tamiya RC ever with 700.000 items sold on the original re-release, I doubt the HS even reached 100.000 as it was much more expensive, fragile and produced very shortly and a high-end racer would anyway preffer a Kyosho or Asso. Most people like and buy re-releases due to nostalgia, so much more people would buy a re-re Hornet then a re-re HotShot. Nostalgy has to do with childhood memories and not with rational reasons like what was the best or most complicated, thats why vintage Tamiyas fetch now much more money then the more advanced kits other makes of that time.

Also as Snake wrote above, the copy was a Super and not Hot Shot, parts are compatible but lower quality and tolerances, also I think it had no ball bearings and just a silver can. Btw, there did exist also a Grasshopper copy.

 

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Most people like and buy re-releases due to nostalgia, so much more people would buy a re-re Hornet then a re-re HotShot. Nostalgy has to do with childhood memories and not with rational reasons like what was the best or most complicated, thats why vintage Tamiyas fetch now much more money then the more advanced kits other makes of that time.

DJTheo, I think your'e right in those arguments, but the way I see it is that people who bought a Hornet because they couldn't afford the HotShot at the time will be looking to buy one now when they can afford it (I entered rc later, when the Avante was the big thing, and I know I would have bought a rerelease even though I never had one). Personally, my interest and reason to buy the HotShot is because I remember it from looking at the old guide books and from its intriguing technical complexity (those two monoshocks look very interesting).

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