Tamiya Stars: Q&A.

[DeeMiller]

Hi folks, I get a lot of entries in the Tamiya Stars SIG and sometimes it's hard to refuse some items.

It's not that we don't like them but it's purely for keeping the SIG for really special items.

About cars:

-Cars must be based on (prefered) Tamiya cars and there must be some unique modification made to it that no-one else could do or buy easily themselves.

It sounds a bit vague but we admire heavily mods based on originality and creativity.

-Rare cars: like the Black Porsche as there aren't that much of them, they stand out to the normal vintage 934.

-Cars with unique or rare parts (like prototype parts or bodies).

One rare part is not enough though but it would help to get it in (like a nice paint job AND rare parts).

About projects:

Not welcome, sorry.

A lot of nice project never gonna make it to the end so see it as an encouragement to finish it properly.

About kits:

-Rare kits based on Tamiya (Build or NIB).

For example: some manufacturers bring out special "occasion" kits like the Subaru Impreza from Pro-Drive (Impreza WRC sponsor/supplier).

Also the Snap-On Lunchbox kit, very nice!

We are still searching for the Snap-On Fox.

 

The above is not ment as "rules" but more like guide lines. 

Don't get us wrong, we are gathering all the special kits together and we DON'T want to be snobs, big egos or anything like that (I recieved a very sarcastic mail about this []).

Besides, there are plenty of other SIGs where you could enter your item in.

We are just trying to put all the exclusive, rare and special kits together so you can watch them with one single click of the button.

If you want to know more, this is the topic.

Also critics are welcome as we don't want you to get the wrong idea and we are willing to improve the presentation/assessment if necessary.

I hope you understand the intention.

 

Don't-Kill-The-Messenger-Dee.

[Bigwheels_inc]

Hi Dee

So would something like this count ?

its clod based with alot of Twinset and homemade parts or would it just be for modified kits from other manufatuers using tamiya as a base to create there own model specific to that company ?

sorry for the Questions its just as you say a bit Vage

Pete

 

[DeeMiller]

Thanks for reply.

Indeed, it is vague.

I really have no idea to put it in another way, that's why I made this topic so people can ask and others (and me) can comment.

Your car is one of the vague examples too.

I really don't know where to put it.

This is how I see it: it is build as a crawler and there's already a SIG for crawlers (multiple).

-Would it fit between the other crawlers?

I think so.

-Would it stand out between them?

I really don't know.

-Can other people build what you have build?

Well, that's the question which makes it very hard for us (without being rude) and, to be honest, I don't have an answer to that Q.

Please anwer that Q yourself.

So I look at it this way: if all the questions asked can't be answered in a clear way, it's not going in.

Hope it's is a bit more clearer now.

I hope, one day, somebody stands up to us and says: "yes, I understand you!"

Till then, I'll try to anwer your questions.[]

Don't take it too serious though...plenty of other SIGs to join!

 

Dee.

[DeeMiller]

Anyone knows that home made 1/7 Hummer?

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...46&id=10839#

This is an excellent example of a crawler that gets in without questions being asked (when finished that is...).

Know what i'm after?

It has to stand out to their counterparts.

 

Dee.

[Bigwheels_inc]

the clod was just an example to try to clear things up a bit the same thing would have applied to a sand scorcher or gravel hound looking stockish

i agree with you totaly about cars fitting into other catagories and it looks like your after the cream of the crop which is always a good thing  

 

buy the sounds of things you need some sort of persentage I.E. 50% of parts (std or modified) must be made by tamiya but it also has to be unique !

that way you would get the right sort of members 50% maybe to high or low but thats your disicsion

it sounds like a very intresting club and i wish you all the best & i hope this helps a bit ?

Pete

[DJTheo]

Anyone knows that home made 1/7 Hummer?

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...46&id=10839#

This is an excellent example of a crawler that gets in without questions being asked (when finished that is...).

Know what i'm after?

It has to stand out to their counterparts.

 

Dee.

I have a feeling you aren't sure of your rules yourself yet LOL [] as above you wrote

-Cars

must be based on Tamiya cars and there must be some unique modification

made to it that no-one else could do or buy easily themselves.

and I am not sure that Hummer is based on any Tamiya car or chassis?

Cheers 

 

 

[TWINSET]

Good luck chap

For a while, I guess the rules will be in a state of flux, until you've covered most eventualities - if you want unique examples, then a Black Porsche isn't it, the Snap-On lunchbox is closer, so then you're after rare, and not unique, so how many do there need to be not to be rare?

Those bashers Scollins and Cardesigner knocked up ([]) are pretty sweeeet, but I would say the Porsche is more suitable than the GT40 purely because the Porsche uses a Tamiya shell (don't get me wrong, that GT40 is the mutts, but the primary thing that makes it amazing - the body, isn't Tamiya.) even though the GT40 has a ton of interior detailing

 

Once more people join, I guess you'll have a better idea of direction,  and can then 'specialise' a bit more  

 

None of these comments are meant as a pop, but just observations on the SIG so far. [Y]

 

[Wrc action]

Deemiller

- I still havent had a reply about the possible inclusion of either of my 2 rarest cars.

Number one is my dark impact based Pajero T3 - I know its a first prototype from Kamtec as a copy of a 1992 pajero that one the paris sirte le cap rally raid which replaced the dakar that year.

This shell is totally unique and a one off for this club - Please show me another? There has been a lot of development work so far into the chassis - to raise it and fit the shell as well as to work the arches so the wheels fit straight into the arches for full articulation. I dont pretend that this is 100% finished it will get full mud gaurds, mud flaps and hopefully when the lexan comes out a full cockpit as well.

But It is in no way a part finished model as a bits box beauty - It works perfectly and today climed ever inch of the malvern hills which I think is a fair achievement.

 

its a phone pic so better pics will be submitted anyway.

 

- Other item is my HKS CLK shells - I admit its not quite as rare with all of 4 or so still on tc but Im sure I could do it up for a shoot with a chassis, some action shots as it was used so carries some scares?, Is this what you are looking for over the pajero?

 

Please advise on this matter as i haven't had a reply to my mail application.

Best regards Ryck

 

[DeeMiller]

Yes folks there are no "rules", just guidelines, "in a state of flux", as Twinset mentioned, is indeed one way to call it, lol!.

There is no law.

I'm trying to get the idea to you: If it's something that stands out, it gets in.

Like "the cream of the crop" or something like that.

BUT to prevent to get everyone in, the base line is "Tamiya based" (as it is TC, right?).

If someone has a better way to discribe it, please speak out (loud).[]

Ok, very good replies btw.

Ryck, your Pajero is being considered (still waiting for reply of the "staff").

You'll be noticed asap.

 

Dee

[DeeMiller]

Deemiller

- I still havent had a reply about the possible inclusion of either of my 2 rarest cars.

Number one is my dark impact based Pajero T3 - I know its a first prototype from Kamtec as a copy of a 1992 pajero that one the paris sirte le cap rally raid which replaced the dakar that year.

This shell is totally unique and a one off for this club - Please show me another? There has been a lot of development work so far into the chassis - to raise it and fit the shell as well as to work the arches so the wheels fit straight into the arches for full articulation. I dont pretend that this is 100% finished it will get full mud gaurds, mud flaps and hopefully when the lexan comes out a full cockpit as well.

 

Ryck, as I want to be honest an get this discussion in the open here's what we think of the Pajero:

-Body is still a repro, yes, one-of-a-kind or prototype indeed, but it's not your own creation, it's Kamtec's.

If it was an original Kyosho prototype it would make a huge difference.

Besides, a future release of these Kamtec shells is plausible (like all the other nice shells from Kamtec).

We think Kamtec bodies aren't that exclusive (although very nice, don't get me wrong).

-Model is a Kyosho, and for now, we only prefer Tamiya based models (It's Tamiya Stars on Tamiya Club).

Exceptions are still possible but it has to stand out then.

So your entry is set on "hold" for now, sorry. 

See it like this: if your body was home made (which we highly encourage) AND fitted with a full interiour AND your own decals, we would reconsider your entry although it is not Tamiya based.

I hope you'll understand.

If you or others think we are wrong please comment as we are still searching for a more accurate discription of the SIG.

Through this discussion it would help to get that done (it has already as I don't get that many Qs through mail any more).

Don't take it too seriously though, plenty of other SIGs.[]

 

Dee.

[DeeMiller]

even though the GT40 has a ton of interior detailing

That's why the GT-40 gets in: Nice job on the body AND scratch build interiour.

Besides, Steve has inspired a lot of people, even with some other projects (that didn't made it to Tamiya Stars), also a good thing.

We think he deserves it.

We think we could make the exception as it looks the mutts (I think everone looks at it that way).

IF more and more exceptions become a "rule" we just change it, simple.

Till now, this discussion is also there to help to get this straightend out.

 

Dee.

[DJTheo]

We think he deserves it.

We think we could make the exception as it looks the mutts (I think everone looks at it that way).

IF more and more exceptions become a "rule" we just change it, simple.

Who is "we", me, myself and I? [][] LOL

Btw you didn't reply about my 1/7 Hummer question, which doesn't seem to be Tamiya based?

Cheers 

[DeeMiller]

Hmm, now I'm not sure about your intensions.[^o)]

I think it's the best to read the replies again.

I'm pretty sure the answer is in there.

 

Dee.

[supergreg]

THIS may be the point where trouble starts when inventing a rating system! Maybe some people remember my objections when we had a discussion about a model rating procedure last year in the old snitz forum. Too bad snitz is dead now, or we could have a look at what has been said...

I'm quite curious where this will lead us too, but I promise you nothing helpful for a healthy community. 

[DeeMiller]

THIS may be the point where trouble starts when inventing a rating system! Maybe some people remember my objections when we had a discussion about a model rating procedure last year in the old snitz forum. Too bad snitz is dead now, or we could have a look at what has been said...

I'm quite curious where this will lead us too, but I promise you nothing helpful for a healthy community. 

I know where you're heading and I agree.

So if it doesn't work, no problem.

I tried to explain but if it isn't clear, well, at least I tried.

Don't take it too serious though.

Thx for your constructive reply (no sarcasm here).

I suggest we let it run but I already got a feeling my idea is not easy to accomplish.

But hé, if you don't try, you'll never know it, right?[]

That's also the meaning of this topic: to get it straight and open for discussion.

 

Dee.

PS About the Pajero: personally I like the car (for I'm a Dakar fan) but it's not what we look for.

[TWINSET]

[] You'd think it was life or death - it's just one guys part of a free for all section within TC - Noone seems to mind when they get passed over for the 'have you seens' and that's an even more exclusive section []

If you have to argue that hard not to get in a club, it aint worth it, especially when there's absolutely nothing to gain.

Start a new SIG, broaden the spectrum a bit, and you'll have a load of applications.

 

Equally, Dee can be as exclusive as he wants over acceptance, he started the group, he has a predetermined direction, that thru rules he will eventually achieve, and all this will be forgotten as soon as the Hi Lift II comes out anyway  []

 

Having said all that, I think a couple of the 'Pajero' reasons are a bit lame - Not wanting to detract from the GT40 at all, in any way ever, I don't agree with Dee on these;

• Body is still a repro, yes, one-of-a-kind or prototype indeed, but it's not your own creation, it's Kamtec's. - GT40 is Kyosho, it was not hand carved from virgin lexan!
  
• Besides, a future release of these Kamtec shells is plausible (like all the other nice shells from Kamtec). - The GT40 was a production model
  

Ryck, that Pajero is just not to 'their' tastes chap, meself, I like it, but at the end of the day, it aint getting in. I wouldn't lose any sleep chap

 

 

[DeeMiller]

Having said all that, I think a couple of the 'Pajero' reasons are a bit lame - Not wanting to detract from the GT40 at all, in any way ever, I don't agree with Dee on these;

• Body is still a repro, yes, one-of-a-kind or prototype indeed, but it's not your own creation, it's Kamtec's. - GT40 is Kyosho, it was not hand carved from virgin lexan!
  
• Besides, a future release of these Kamtec shells is plausible (like all the other nice shells from Kamtec). - The GT40 was a production model
  

If I may defend the choice and keep the discussion going (right):

I think it's more suiteable than the Pajero because it has more plus-es or +-s or bonus "points":

-Tamiya based (literally: it's a "heavily modded Top Force chassis").

-Scratch build interiour, based on the real thing (we encourage creativity and eye for detail).

-Great choice of colors and he even tried to get hold of the 6-spoke rims (the 5-spoke comes very close).

In a lesser matter:

-Other projects, suggestions, helpfull tips, etc (you know what I mean).

When I make a count, it's a Tamiya Star.

Well, at least everyone likes it.

I think it's only fair to discuss these "issues" in the open as you may get the right idea why and how we do things.

Remember, we don't have an exact direction yet!

Just trying to get the idea to you folks.

If you don't agree, no problem here.[]

That's what's this topic is all about!

 

Dee.

[DeeMiller]

[] You'd think it was life or death - it's just one guys part of a free for all section within TC - Noone seems to mind when they get passed over for the 'have you seens' and that's an even more exclusive section []

If you have to argue that hard not to get in a club, it aint worth it, especially when there's absolutely nothing to gain.

At least it shows people WANT to be part of an "exclusive club" just as I intended it to be.[]

But then again, don't take it too seriously.

I intentionally didn't use the "life or death" comparison for an obvious reason...

 

Dee.

PS The Pajero wasn't the only one which didn't get in.

[DeeMiller]

Ok, last call for today:

I think the Pajero and the GT40 gained more views by this topic and even the other models in the SIG.

Maybe, yes, maybe it would even encourage people to make something special too.

I do hope so as we all can enjoy a step-by-step building of something beautifull...

Now I'll stop because sentiment takes over...[+o(]

 

Dee.

[Wrc action]

Well I can see some of your lines here Deemiller - And I wouldnt enter it soley as it is now - There have been a few more additions with the mudflaps and other areas. But let me just make a few points to counter your reasons.

 

-Body is still a repro, yes, one-of-a-kind or prototype indeed, but it's not your own creation, it's Kamtec's.

If it was an original Kyosho prototype it would make a huge difference.

My answer - Yes the GT40 was a full kyosho production shell that is a lot more common than this model to find? Rareity there - And I know for well that it is Kamtec's copy as I gave it to them to work on for me! 

Besides, a future release of these Kamtec shells is plausible (like all the other nice shells from Kamtec).

We think Kamtec bodies aren't that exclusive (although very nice, don't get me wrong).

- Indeed not whence these items will arrive, tho this is the first the prototype model of the car and as twinset said so the GT40 was a full scale production model from kyosho and more recent.  

-Model is a Kyosho, and for now, we only prefer Tamiya based models (It's Tamiya Stars on Tamiya Club).

- Hmm Gt40 shell was kyosho on the modified top force chassis, Pajero shell by Kyosho on a modified dark impact. That sounds awfully familar lol.

 

I admit that the model isnt completed 100% I have the original decals and hope to sort out the full rothmans decals for it in time with the lexan model - But I do ask for some more concrete reasons as to why this model cannot be added when it follows the same lines as another model for which you sing the praises.

Maybe that model is more fine detail, But I ask does a dakar team care for fine detail when the car crashes through the desert, Fine line paints that will be destroyed on Camel Grass or delicate little indicators? i think that the Gt40 is a superb model, wonderfully and fully deserving.

But I use the Word Model as I feel it is no longer a racing car, I would not take it to the track and race it in the same way that i took mine up the malverns. Its too delicate and finite. Realism must be applied to the models style and purpose, A dakar machine must be capable and that is why even if you dont think the pajero is deserving then it will stay at the top of my list for its real looks and performance.

Best Regards Ryck

 

 

 

[DeeMiller]

Pajero shell by Kyosho on a modified dark impact. That sounds awfully familar lol.

Why didn't you say so in the first place?!!![]

All we talked about was that rare body!

The line in your showroom left a bit of confusion mate: "whilst the copies are run most likely on a dark impact base (does anyone have one for sale)"...

Also the pic was a bit confusing too as it looked like it was the actual Kyosho chassis!

Man, all this discussion wasn't necessary if you just posted a pic of the actual chassis!

You're in!

Well, that's only the least I can do as I haven't met a member that wanted to get in that urgently!!!

We are deeply sorry for the misunderstanding and we thank you for your persistence!

You see, this topic is very usefull after all!

 Your account is now active!

Welcome!

LOL![]

 

Grtz Dee.

[TWINSET]

Number one is my dark impact based Pajero T3

 

Wise man say; Read the words and then look at the pics, otherwise you just look stoopid []

[Wrc action]

lol well at least its all settled -

Deemiller - That pic is of the original kit for my car and is in my showroom with the original chassis car.

The dark impact line is probably relating to some plans for the cars future as a recormended chassis - The dark impact can clearly be seen in my showroom as its own entry and in the latest pajero chassis.

Twinset - Thankyou for your points in this, I think you have made a very valued contribution and seem to have an eye for consistency or lack of it, Many thanks I think you would make a fine debater, Maybe I will see you at some national finals soon []

 

Best Regards to you Both

Ryck

 

[terry.sc]

Does this mean Scollins GT40 wouldn't have got in if he had fitted to the Kyosho chassis?[^o)]

[DeeMiller]

Does this mean Scollins GT40 wouldn't have got in if he had fitted to the Kyosho chassis?[^o)]

Yup, but then again, that interiour would make a great discussion going...[]

Read the words and then look at the pics, otherwise you just look stoopid []

Well, I am so nothing to loose!

It would be even more stupid to not to admit it.

I'm glad it all worked out and proud to see another star on the forum![]

It shines...

 

Dee.