Re-Re Brat - Same wheels as Ranger?

[TWINSET]

Does the re-re Brat have the same wheels as the SRB Ranger?

I seem to remember there were two different offsets available at one time, were the others off the Pajero?

 

[MikeT]

Brat and Ranger are the same Andy, Pajero were different.

[Shodog]

It was my understanding that the first generation xlt had a shallower dish on the front wheel along with a smaller wheel well opening on the front fender.  Tamiya revised the fender opening and made a front wheel with a deeper dish for clearance.  The Pajero and Brat used the same revised front wheels

[kontemax]

What are the difference between Pajero and Brat wheels? The rims? The tires?

Cheers

 

Max 

[billg4]

What are the difference between Pajero and Brat wheels? The rims? The tires? 

I have a pajero rolling chassis right here and can tell you there isn't a difference between those wheels and my re-released brat wheels except the plastic has yellowed.

[kontemax]

I Checked the manuals on line and seems the Pajero and the Brt front wheel have different offsets but not sure from the drawings.

Can some Pajero and Brat owners have a look on the cars please?

Cheers

Max 

[bakaguyjean]

Shodog gets my vote on this one. You cant really tell with manuals as things change without the manual being changed. On a different note i bought  Brat tires and wheels for my Grasshopper when they sold them as a spare part and they were a different off set than the wheels that came on my Dads Brat at the time. But this as spare parts and they might have been for the F150. I dont remember the part number as I was maybe 12 at the time and i just thought of them as Brat wheels.

 

[Japanscaledriver]

I have two sets of re-re wheels and I have two original Pajeros with their original wheels still attached, the wheels all seem to be exactely the same as each other, except for one thing, the rear wheels on pajeros appear to have a recess for the wheel nut, this could be worn, but may not be. I have taken a set of photos, they are a little hards to see, I will re-touch them now and post them up.

[billg4]

like I said, I have both sitting right here and thetre is no difference other than the pajero's wheels have yellowed

 

[zakspeed]

I'm sure this has been banded about before but I couldn't find the thread.

My understanding is that the very first edition Brat (the one with no screw holes in the chassis) had the deep dish wheels. My early edition NIB Brat kit has these sealed in the kit. If you look at the Model cars 1983 review of the car it states (and shows) the front wheels to be a lot wider than the rear. And I remember my original Brat having these wider wheels.

I have 2 other early original unmolested Brat cars and they both have the deep dish wheels.

It's my understanding that Tamiya changed the wheel to the narrow dish type (at time unknown) and all the later Brats I have (or owned) have the narrow dish type. Being really sad now but all the original tyre sets i've bought (and i've bought a few) I noticed that the deep dish wheels came with slotted screws included and the bag was a wide fuller type. The later narrow type had cross head screws included and the bag was narrow. (god how sad is that !!!)

The reissue kit has the narrow type wheels. Where I get cuffuddled is with the Ranger / Pajero - what style wheels did these have? I am not very good at uploading pics but if someone wants to load them if I email them to you i'd be happy.

[Shodog]

That's odd that they would have the flat headed screws becuase only early scorcher and rough riders had those screws.

The ranger was so far along, they had switched to the phillips heads by then

[loaded]

Dredging this thread up because of some chatting with my good friend Wrecked in Denmark.

The Ranger had two 'issues' (for want of a better word). They discovered (too late IMHO) that the front wheels bind on the body in certain situations. The original Ranger wheels had a very deep profile and this made them 'wider' at the front than the later issue, they corrected this (which in turn affected the about to come issues of the Brat and Pajero). They also lengthened the body wheel arches (though not the body - this has a critical effect on decal sheets, you must make sure that the types match. I can show two pictures of different decals and bodies on photos later.

The screw heads by the time of the Ranger were all Philips (a quick check of 5 NIBs I own confirms this, although I am willing to concede if someone has proof otherwise) and the chassis plates were all of the Super Champ type, as this issue was roughly concurrent.

Not all Rangers wheels or bodies are the same, but all Brat and Pajero wheels are the same.

A problem with using NIB kits to confirm this is that in fact over time parts may have been removed (in a shop for spares, for example) and then unknowingly replaced with incorrect spares. This is yet another reason people collect unmolested shrink wrap kits - in answer to the time old question, 'what's the point in shrink wrap?' that gets asked quite often.

Paul.

[mongoose1983]

...you must make sure that the types match. I can show two pictures of different decals and bodies on photos later.

That's interesting. Hope you can upload those pictures sometime.

You all have a nice Sunday!

EB

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[terry.sc]

There are already pictures in this old thread:

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26116

While we're discussing wheels, here's the comparison

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9581

[loaded]

As with the Mk.I and Mk.II SRB chassis (I mean both early productions, NOT the re issue) the earlier ones (which are often the flawed examples, as in this case) are the more collectable in my opinion.

I would prefer them for display, as would most collectors (I say this, because the earlier versions are more collectable, but in the case of the Ranger, less driveable and in the case of SRBs more fragile) because they guarantee you an early production.

For any of us that wants to run vintage R/C, the choice would be the other way round, because of the wheels not binding on the body.

Paul.

[Wrecked]

Yeah, its a strange thing.

Just checked the Ranger body I bought in here, and its a "wide fender" version. It should match the rere Brat wheels I got (not deep).

Now, hopefully, stickerbod is making me the right stickers

Thank you loaded, for taking the time to dig into this issue!

Jimmy

[loaded]

The repro decals from Tamiyaclub are the longer wheelarch version. Note, the wheelbase is the same on both models, just the wheelarch is longer to accommodate the front wheels.

Paul.

[Wrecked]

This Ranger issue, it yet another reason to make somekind of a wiki of the differences in tamiya models.

The info is in here, but scattered all over the place, and impossible to find with the misserable search function on this forum.

What we need, is a list of differences in the model, and I think a new tabpage in the model reference would do the job.

Like in this link: http://www.tamiyaclub.com/car.asp?id=27 there should be a "Differences" tabpage next to "Parts" and before "Member rides". In there members should be able to write their observations like in the "members review" tabpage.

Terry, what do you think? is it possible?

Jimmy

[Wrecked]

To anyone with a NIB Ranger:

Can you confirm that the depth of the front wheels, follows the body?

Like: deep front wheels equals short wheelarch, and shallow front wheels equals long wheelarch.

Jimmy