New 2007 Hotshot!!!!!!!!!!

[Z]

What's making me mad is that all the sponsor stickers (KC Hilights, K&N Air Filters, Holley Performance Parts) are GONE! Couldn't Mr. T have gotten a licensing agreement to use those two company's names, for nostalgia's sake, if nothing else.

[MB190E]

This is what I think:

 

1st This is another DF-03 chassis with a different bathtub to accept the narrow Hot Shot body. It's modified to accept dual mono shocks. Could be the rims will be equal or similar to original. No idea about the tires. This is the lesson Tamiya did learn releasing the hated Avante MKII and now he keeps the faithfull to original body changing the chassis to accept it. Exactly the opposite way than the Avante MKII.

 

2nd This is really an enhanced Hot Shot chassis that is a replica of original one with some mods like a better drive shaft, motor heatsink and other minimal parts

 

3th This is a replica of original Hot Shot.

 

I believe in the first ipothesis.

Please let me know what you think about

Cheers

Max 

 

I am much with your analysis, and I believed that Tamiya is not direct re-issue the hot-shot instead re-create the 'new' hot-shot using existing (current) chassis. Indication from the description of the model do show that being the case. Besides that when I click on the hop-up options that is already available to the page of new hot-shot introduction in Tamiya-usa,  it shows a list of hopups for DT02 !

 This is getting more interesting as it contrast to the speculation that it's being a form of Dark-impact chassis.!!!

  And that also explained (as least to myself) the original typo of 2WD (as DT02 is a 2wd CHASSIS).

 Before I got fired with all sort of query as to how a 2wd chassis can turns into 4wd honestly I don't know. But then I think Tamiya

 is making a very interesting re-invention move and that can also be traced back with recent announcement of the tamtech superchamp

 therefore I think the direction of re-release is slightly shifted toward some form of re-iteration of the old theme using current chassis/technology.

 

 

[theshopkeeper]

Wouldn't assume that Tamiya's site is accurate.

It's usually full of mistakes when they first put up the info and it gets tweaked over the coming weeks.

[mobias]

If it were based on a modern chassis and was getting far removed from the original car there is no way they would get away with calling it the Hotshot and using the original box art. My theory is it will be  very much like the original but with some clever tweaks here and there to strengthen weak points on the original chassis. I can't see them adapting a modern chassis to put on mono shocks etc, that would just be a ridiculous step backwards and would defeat the purpose of it being a vintage re-re.

[blasta999]

I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for when they hit the shelves, it has to be my favourite buggy.

I am a little sad though, i do like the uniqueness of taking my hotshot down to the local track on non-race days for a spin amongst the assoc and current tamiya buggies. That won't mean as much anymore, the labour of love won't be as significant. Still have my fox for that though..... for now!

Rob

[Wandy]

Nah, I cant see this being anything other than an almost identical version of the original, minus a few tweaks. And it will be all the better for it.

Mind you I would be very surprised if they included the original heatsinks. What would they be for? It would seem like a pointless and expensive add on if you ask me...but I hope I'm wrong and they do put them on as they were a prominent positive feature in the design of the car.

The link also says that the chassis has been "redesigned". I think what this means we will see is the same monocoque chassis...but that from the Hotshot 2 (with the metal door for easier R/C access). I also think that they will have improved the metal dampers to reduce the notorious slop, especially in the front set up. I also would not be surprised if they have come up with a new and improved linkage to operate the rear monoshock, as we all know how much stress the original design placed on the upper wisbones..resulting in a need for new 'R' parts.

I thought they would use the piano wire for the prop shaft but the use of a dogbone is an even better idea.

I know for a fact it will not happen but I would be ecstatic if they used the series 1 bumper that was found on only the earliest 1985 Hotshots. It's extremely unlikely though because it was much weaker than than it's replacement...but it was soo much better looking.

One other thing that will have to happen....on the upper chassis half where the ESC switch locates the ON/OFF writing will have to be reversed because when you currently put a TEU-101BK into an original Hotshot it is switched ON when in the chassis' OFF position!

All in all I am delighted with this re-re and, as I said earlier, I am sure the Boomerang will follow shortly. If it is true that there will be loads of hop-ups available it will surely show that Tamiya has finally cottoned onto the fact that the re-re market is to be taken deadly seriously...as their sales figures must be showing. I mean, by all means continue to produce modern and forward thinking designs but there is nothing wrong with indulging in nostalgia as long as it makes a profit and does not damage the brand..which is why we will continue to see more re-releases every 6 to 12 months.

I was one of those who speculated that the coffee jar promo was a big 'wink-wink' to all of us about what was coming, and lets not forget that the Rough Rider was one of those cars included in that promotion. I am sure that the company is working on ways of re-releasing a SRB with modern performance capablities whilst staying faithfull to the original design. I imagine a chrome finished selection of plastic parts to replace the metal ones on the originals (as in the first run Subaru Brat) and a differential in the gearbox. Whether the original linkage to the steering servo would be used is debatable but perhaps they would place the steering servo in the current reciever box? One thing is for sure..all those who said a SRB re-re was out of the question must surely now have a rethink. If Tamiya can find a way to release it and improve it whilst staying faithfull to the origianal idea AND make a profit then they WILL do it. The re-re Hotshot shows that they are confident that re-releases are popular worldwide and are not affecting the brand. If anything, they are strengthening it!

 

[kontemax]

If this will not be a perfect re-release I should suggest the name of the car as HOT SHOT 3.

 

In my opinion will be a redesign of the old Hot Shot.

Tamoya re-released the Thunder Shot so the vintage 4wd buggy re-releaseing has been covered. The Hot Shot was not competitive in front of the Thunder Shot so don't know what is the sense to re-release this old car.

In this case I think Mr Tamiya loves us too much.

 I'm sorry but I believe will not a perfect re-print of the old car.

 

MAx

 

[irenL]

The Supra is the Blitz Supra body,not the wide body.

 The Blitz body is pretty cool though.

 

Great! Now i don't have to worry about finding headlight housings.

As for the hot-shot being a 2WD... well, let that be another mis-link. Though backdating the 03 is not out of the question, me hope it's a mono-shock return.

[TheFinn]

Thing i am most curious is will it be with gold rims or not, as the original one did not come with them. Untill we know, i am REALLY glad i didn't yet buy NIB gold wheels to my supershot resto  []

[BeetleLover]

- > I am much with your analysis, and I believed that Tamiya is not direct re-issue the hot-shot instead re-create the 'new' hot-shot using existing 

- > (current) chassis. Indication from the description of the model do show that being the case. Besides that when I click on the hop-up options that is

- > already available to the page of new hot-shot introduction in Tamiya-usa, it shows a list of hopups for DT02 !

Yeah but if you look at the hopups available they really aren't that specific to an actual chassis and I think most of them could be applied to an original hotshot chassis...  i.e. cva hopups to replace monoshock, sport tuned motor, bearings... doesn't suggest to me it will be an actual DT02 chassis... I would imagine that maybe internal gears etc may be different, maybe a mount point for a stabiliser could be different to accept other current solutions on modern day counterparts.  I doubt very much they would reverse engineer a current chassis but rather make additional changes to the original...

cheers

James

[civilguy]

I say this as an avid Hotshot lover-- the original chassis is really a poor design (compared to where the hobby has come in 20+ years).  It is difficult to get at radio gear (even in the Hotshot2) and has many weak spots (especially at the rear gearbox).  I'm not sure why they would want to release a "new and improved" Hotshot with the same chassis that they tried for years to improve (Boomerang, Hotshot2, Super Sabre, Thundershot, etc.).

As far as BeetleLover's response, YES, the hop-ups listed on the TamiyaUSA could be used on any buggy.  But they sure couldn't be used on an original Hotshot.  So my instincts are telling me that it may not be a DT02 or a DF03, but it won't be a faithful repro like the Grasshopper/Hornet or Frog/Brat.  Just my thoughts-- I eagerly await more news!!

[Dirt-Racer]

If this is gonna be true to the original then imma get me a few of these!! [Y]

[mobias]

 With an ESC inside the old chassis instead of a MSC you don't really need easy access inside the chassis. Once you've stuck all your electronics in there you can more or less forget about them. As has been pointed out Tamiya will not reverse engineer a modern chassis to make it worse just so it looks 'vaguely' like the original Hotshot - that would be madness and utterly missing the point. It'll be the vintage Hotshot with vintage performance but with some weak points fixed. I think from the outside it will look all but exactly the same as the original, which is all I'm bothered about.

hopefully we'll get some photos soon. 

[monster_beetle]

I was one of those who speculated that the coffee jar promo was a big 'wink-wink' to all of us about what was coming, and lets not forget that the Rough Rider was one of those cars included in that promotion. I am sure that the company is working on ways of re-releasing a SRB with modern performance capablities whilst staying faithfull to the original design. I imagine a chrome finished selection of plastic parts to replace the metal ones on the originals (as in the first run Subaru Brat) and a differential in the gearbox. Whether the original linkage to the steering servo would be used is debatable but perhaps they would place the steering servo in the current reciever box? One thing is for sure..all those who said a SRB re-re was out of the question must surely now have a rethink. If Tamiya can find a way to release it and improve it whilst staying faithfull to the origianal idea AND make a profit then they WILL do it. The re-re Hotshot shows that they are confident that re-releases are popular worldwide and are not affecting the brand. If anything, they are strengthening it!

 

 

Wandy, could you give me a link to a movie of that promo, really want to see it [] 

[civilguy]

mobias I really hope you are correct!!!!

I just think it strange that all the re-re's that I know of had no (zero!) Hop-up option parts through Tamiya, just replacement parts.  Why suddenly start to offer hop-ups on a chassis that was possibly one of the most difficult to mod??  That is truly confusing.

Also, I don't think I said it had to be a DT02.  Maybe Tamiya has a new chassis and plans on releasing all the 'shot series on it!?!

[Wandy]

I was one of those who speculated that the coffee jar promo was a big 'wink-wink' to all of us about what was coming, and lets not forget that the Rough Rider was one of those cars included in that promotion. I am sure that the company is working on ways of re-releasing a SRB with modern performance capablities whilst staying faithfull to the original design. I imagine a chrome finished selection of plastic parts to replace the metal ones on the originals (as in the first run Subaru Brat) and a differential in the gearbox. Whether the original linkage to the steering servo would be used is debatable but perhaps they would place the steering servo in the current reciever box? One thing is for sure..all those who said a SRB re-re was out of the question must surely now have a rethink. If Tamiya can find a way to release it and improve it whilst staying faithfull to the origianal idea AND make a profit then they WILL do it. The re-re Hotshot shows that they are confident that re-releases are popular worldwide and are not affecting the brand. If anything, they are strengthening it!

 

Wandy, could you give me a link to a movie of that promo, really want to see it [] 

 

http://tamiyaclub.com/CS/forums/1/69108/ShowThread.aspx

http://tamiyaclub.com/CS/forums/1/67942/ShowThread.aspx

It was discussed nearly two years ago and nearly all of the cars re-re'd so far were part of that promotion.

 

[monster_beetle]

Ah, ok thanks. I really hope that the RR will become the next rere []

[jocktheglide]

ebay should be flooded with these once everyone finds out...

[Wrc action]

yeah tho one has to wonder how many models are in each re-release. Some go on for ages like the lunchbox but others like the 190E seem to dry up after an initial flood.  I know im comparing off road to on road but Im just curious, Is this a more limited re-release as in a set number produced and after that no more, in which case we will see loads on ebay and then none, Or are we going to see a more constant production until interest drys up?

cheers Ryck 

[mobias]

Considering they must have gone to more than the usual amount of effort to re-engineer this car for re-re and also that fact that it'll be the most sought after re-re yet I reckon it'll get a good long run of production. Depends on sales of course but I'm buying at least two and I reckon it'll sell like hot cakes for them.

[bakaguyjean]

Keep an eye out for the Full option F-350 as well.

[Mad Ax]

Yeah but if you look at the hopups

available they really aren't that specific to an actual chassis and I

think most of them could be applied to an original hotshot

chassis...  i.e. cva hopups to replace monoshock, sport tuned

motor, bearings... doesn't suggest to me it will be an actual DT02

chassis... I would imagine that maybe internal gears etc may be

different, maybe a mount point for a stabiliser could be different to

accept other current solutions on modern day counterparts.  I

doubt very much they would reverse engineer a current chassis but

rather make additional changes to the original...

I'm

with this one too.  Also I can't see how Tamiya could use the

boxart on the website if the new model won't look anything like

it.  According to the boxart, it will be called "Hot Shot" and it

will have a chassis that from the outside, looks very similar to the

original model.

But maybe this was just a mock-up, and maybe they

will pull that image and replace it with an updated boxart once the new

model is further into development.

If the new Hot Shot is a

complete re-development or a modification of a modern chassis then it

will basically be another 4wd buggy to their current line-up, but it

won't be as good as a DF-03 because a monoshock principle will never be

as good as independant shocks.  Therefore, I see no reason why I

would want one over a DF-03.  OTOH, if it's a faithful

reproduction of the original, but with some parts re-engineered for

longevity or performance, then it is definately on my "want list" and

I'll start putting money right away []

[mr_pushrod]

Hmm, could there be elements of Thundershot to the buggy? That was very similar to the Hotshot and did indeed have some improvements over it. Look forward to seeing the 288 GTO and I'm glad they'll be using the Blitz Supra shell. Inboard front suspension on the TA-05 sounds interesting too.

[backtomyroots]

Keep an eye out for the Full option F-350 as well.

Now that would be sweet [] ! I got my Scania Full Option Kit already & it's a great deal.  Of course - just my luck I've already got an F350 kit & MFU sitting here waiting for a build.

Unless of course you mean "full option" = "Hop-Ups" ! 

[mobias]

Is anyone aware of any firm release date yet? I wonder when we'll get the first photos?