Clarification Is Need On Miscellaneous>other In Showrooms

[Wandy]

Last week when updating my showroom I decided, after viewing some of the stuff in other member's showrooms, to post pics of my vintage Raleigh Bomber bicycle. This is a bike that has been in storage for 25 years and unused....and I likened it to finding the one and only NIB Sand Scorcher in the world and me having it.

Now fair enough, listing this had nothing to do with Tamiya or R/C but in my opinion it was worthy of a listing as many fellow members who were into Tamiya as teenagers would also in all probablity have owned a Raleigh bike at the same time.

As soon as I listed the bike there were a flood of comments - all positive - about how much they appreciated the sentiment of the listing.

12 hours later it was deleted by the mods.

In my opinion, compared to other stuff posted in Miscellaneous>Other this had a lot more connection with our love of collecting vintage stuff...even if it was not R/C related.

There is even a Raleigh Chopper in there that has been listed for years! Is there one rule for some members and another rule for others?

Can someone tell me how these listings can be deemed acceptable and yet mine not?

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...935&id=4836

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...8109&id=767

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...8110&id=767

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...8159&id=767

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...1585&id=220

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...1690&id=220

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...=37652&id=2

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...=1482&id=68

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...2530&id=285

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...=4459&id=37

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...763&id=2731

Now I am NOT asking for these items to be deleted, but I think my bike did not deserve to be deleted bearing in mind the nature of the above links. I think this site is more than just a homage to Tamiya but it is a homage to our childhood experiences and I think it is not too much to be allowed one or two listings that are not directly related to Tamiya but ARE somehow related to our childhood/teenage years...hence the seemingly acceptable posting of a Raleigh Chopper, MB Big Trak etc.

[acprc]

Last week when updating my showroom I decided, after viewing some of the stuff in other member's showrooms, to post pics of my vintage Raleigh Bomber bicycle. This is a bike that has been in storage for 25 years and unused....and I likened it to finding the one and only NIB Sand Scorcher in the world and me having it. See here http://s60.photobucket.com/albums/h24/too-many-jettas/

Now fair enough, listing this had nothing to do with Tamiya or R/C but in my opinion it was worthy of a listing as many fellow members who were into Tamiya as teenagers would also in all probablity have owned a Raleigh bike at the same time.

As soon as I listed the bike there were a flood of comments - all positive - about how much they appreciated the sentiment of the listing.

12 hours later it was deleted by the mods.

In my opinion, compared to other stuff posted in Miscellaneous>Other this had a lot more connection with our love of collecting vintage stuff...even if it was not R/C related.

There is even a Raleigh Chopper in there that has been listed for years! Is there one rule for some members and another rule for others?

Can someone tell me how these listings can be deemed acceptable and yet mine not?

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...935&id=4836

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...8109&id=767

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...8110&id=767

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...8159&id=767

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...1585&id=220

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...1690&id=220

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...=37652&id=2

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...=1482&id=68

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...2530&id=285

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...=4459&id=37

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...763&id=2731

Now I am NOT asking for these items to be deleted, but I think my bike did not deserve to be deleted bearing in mind the nature of the above links. I think this site is more than just a homage to Tamiya but it is a homage to our childhood experiences and I think it is not too much to be allowed one or two listings that are not directly related to Tamiya but ARE somehow related to our childhood/teenage years...hence the seemingly acceptable posting of a Raleigh Chopper, MB Big Trak etc.

Hi,

I'm afraid I have to agree and also disagree with you on this subject as it's also something that really gets on my nerves. I agree with the mods deleting your post as sadly it has nothing to do with Tamiya or R/C but I agree that there needs to be a standard to follow. The other items you listed shouldn't be there either.

If I wanted to look at bikes, clothing or any number of other stuff, now matter how old I would be subscribing to www.oldbikes.com or something similar not www.tamiyaclub.com. I myself have a large collection of old toys inclusing a chopper, Big Trak etc but they have nothing to do with this site and you have to remember a lot of members won't remember them anyway.

Just my opinion.

Adam

[Wandy]

Hi,

I'm afraid I have to agree and also disagree with you on this subject as it's also something that really gets on my nerves. I agree with the mods deleting your post as sadly it has nothing to do with Tamiya or R/C but I agree that there needs to be a standard to follow. The other items you listed shouldn't be there either.

If I wanted to look at bikes, clothing or any number of other stuff, now matter how old I would be subscribing to www.oldbikes.com or something similar not www.tamiyaclub.com. I myself have a large collection of old toys inclusing a chopper, Big Trak etc but they have nothing to do with this site and you have to remember a lot of members won't remember them anyway.

Just my opinion.

Adam

Yeah, dont get me wrong, I understand why it was deleted but it does seem that the rules on this subject are wishy washy as some members are being allowed to post their stuff which is every bit as unrelated to Tamiya & R/C as mine was...probably even more so actually.

[TWINSET]

This was discussed at length previously, and the gist of it was that there's not enough time for 3 or 4 mods to go looking for old problems.

However, on every showroom page there's a 'report' button (if you're logged in), so you could always report anything you feel irrelevant?

This one was for a compo entry though, about local 'landmarks'

[markellie]

This was discussed at length previously, and the gist of it was that there's not enough time for 3 or 4 mods to go looking for old problems.

However, on every showroom page there's a 'report' button (if you're logged in), so you could always report anything you feel irrelevant?

This one was for a compo entry though, about local 'landmarks'

I notice someone wasnt brave enough to put it in front of the wheels and take the picture

[Backlash]

Wandy.

I agree with you in that we need to remove the "grey" area from this topic and draw the line in the sand. I did see your bike, and can fully understand your excitement with finding it in a store, unused, 25 years after they were made. This truly has to be vintage, and I am glad you shared it with us here at TC.

BUT, I can also understand where Chris, and the other Mods are coming from, in that this is "Tamiyaclub", a club for those that are interested in RC, and (Tamiya only?) static model kits. If Tamiyaclub was open up as a "free for all" and members could post what they like, then there would be very little room for, well, Tamiya's... .

Back to the Grey area.... Clarification.... What is allowed and what isn't? Now I'm not picking on DJTheo, but is this entry relevant to Tamiyaclub?

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...20681&id=16 I don't see any RC cars, just some full size 1:1 cars that are similar to some of Tamiya's models.

And, if this is OK, how far can I then bend the rules...? Could I enter a pic of my 1:1 40 series Landcruiser, Proline makes a 40 series Landcruiser body, so is that relevance?

With all that said, there is one thing that I dont mind seeing here on TamiyaClub, and that is when a TC member has a new entry into their family (has a baby).

[TWINSET]

Clarification.... What is allowed and what isn't? Now I'm not picking on DJTheo, but is this entry relevant to Tamiyaclub?

With all that said, there is one thing that I dont mind seeing here on TamiyaClub, and that is when a TC member has a new entry into their family

Bit of a bendy line in the sand then

The Theo one could easily be re-classified as Real Car/Reference, I don't believe the category existed back in '04 though.

As for the 'Cruiser, I personally don't see the problem, add it as 'real car/reference - It relates (to 'RC' if not Tamiya) as much as most of the other 1:1 stuff on here

[Backlash]

Bit of a bendy line in the sand then

Not really. One main difference is of all the members that have posted pics of their new born children, I beleive that most (if not all) of them have removed them themselves a few days after posting.

There is one other thing, for me, Making a child (well practicing anyway) is about the only thing that is better than building up a new Tamiya Kit...... ;-) Do you agree?

Cheers

[TWINSET]

Making a child (well practicing anyway) is about the only thing that is better than building up a new Tamiya Kit...... ;-) Do you agree?

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[netsmithUK]

The rules are clear enough and you just have to look at the proportionally small number of items that we delete to show that the majority of users understand them.

Basically entries have to be RC hobby, Tamiya, model related - the exception being real cars which can be allowed to stand as long as they are classed as 'real/car reference' when they are entered. Not sure how it can be set out any clearer, there are always going to be borderline areas as there is with any rule (although I'm open to suggestions for changes to it, if someone can think of a way that makes its more black and white) - those borderline cases we have to take a view on. Obvious things which don't fall into the category and we have had to delete in the past include, bikes, skateboards, drums, pictures of families, rocking chairs and cuckoo clocks - most of which received some positive comments.

Positive comments in themselves though does not justify an item being there, with a userbase of 16,000 people a day you could probably post a picture of anything and someone would find it interesting, but you only have to imagine if everyone started posting everything that they personally found interesting the showroom and site would then soon becoming less useful to the majority (even those posting the images) as they have to wade through countless random things to find what this site is really about - RC related material.

If you think the area is grey now, imagine how grey it becomes when we allow the posting of cycles - how do we tell people with scooters, unicycles, space hoppers etc that theirs can't stand? Bottom line is we are not a generic photo hosting site and the line has to be drawn somewhere.

With nearly a quarter of million entries over 6 years and only 4 mods, you are always going to be able to find exceptions that get missed. They change nothing as far as the rules go - all they mean is that the mods missed them and no-one reported them (on the really old ones you list I don't think we even had a reporting system)

We understand the ones that got left can cause confusion, which is why we never come down hard on anyone that does it now but placing accounts on moderation, its a genuine mistake to make and we are just pointing it out. Its not personal for us and we hope its not taken personally.

We even provide alternatives for the people that want to post pictures of other stuff. There is both TCphotos.com and the outside world forum.

Cheers

Chris

[Wandy]

The rules are clear enough and you just have to look at the proportionally small number of items that we delete to show that the majority of users understand them.

Basically entries have to be RC hobby, Tamiya, model related - the exception being real cars which can be allowed to stand as long as they are classed as 'real/car reference' when they are entered. Not sure how it can be set out any clearer, there are always going to be borderline areas as there is with any rule (although I'm open to suggestions for changes to it, if someone can think of a way that makes its more black and white) - those borderline cases we have to take a view on. Obvious things which don't fall into the category and we have had to delete in the past include, bikes, skateboards, drums, pictures of families, rocking chairs and cuckoo clocks - most of which received some positive comments.

Positive comments in themselves though does not justify an item being there, with a userbase of 16,000 people a day you could probably post a picture of anything and someone would find it interesting, but you only have to imagine if everyone started posting everything that they personally found interesting the showroom and site would then soon becoming less useful to the majority (even those posting the images) as they have to wade through countless random things to find what this site is really about - RC related material.

If you think the area is grey now, imagine how grey it becomes when we allow the posting of cycles - how do we tell people with scooters, unicycles, space hoppers etc that theirs can't stand? Bottom line is we are not a generic photo hosting site and the line has to be drawn somewhere.

With nearly a quarter of million entries over 6 years and only 4 mods, you are always going to be able to find exceptions that get missed. They change nothing as far as the rules go - all they mean is that the mods missed them and no-one reported them (on the really old ones you list I don't think we even had a reporting system)

We understand the ones that got left can cause confusion, which is why we never come down hard on anyone that does it now but placing accounts on moderation, its a genuine mistake to make and we are just pointing it out. Its not personal for us and we hope its not taken personally.

We even provide alternatives for the people that want to post pictures of other stuff. There is both TCphotos.com and the outside world forum.

Cheers

Chris

Fair enough Chris, thanks for the response.