Poll, Trade Room, To Price Or Not To Price?

[FERRETTI]

In the interests of democracy.

[Rat Fink]

Most of us here know the value of what we have. I find it annoying to enter into negotiations over price once it is stated.

Maybe it is because I have been collecting this stuff for years and am in no desparate need to sell it but I do not negotiate and always pay he price requested.

If the price is too much I just walk away.

This will probably black ball me at the TC gentleman's club.

RF

[Blacque Jacque]

If the price is too much I just walk away.

This will probably black ball me at the TC gentleman's club.

RF

I'm second in that queue

[bakaguyjean]

This will probably black ball me at the TC gentleman's club.

RF

I thought this thinking is required for the Tamiyaclub Gentlemans/Womans club

[RichieRich]

Yes, things should be priced. Don't be lazy, do some research on the bay to get an idea on value...then price accordingly.

[homerboi]

Most of us here know the value of what we have. I find it annoying to enter into negotiations over price once it is stated....

RF

Would it be more clear to the onlooker(s) to state clearly one of the following examples? "$XXX ono", "$XXX firm" (or "$XXX BIN"), "$XXX obo", etc.

[FERRETTI]

Looks like people aren't really bothered 125 times post viewed and only 23 votes

[acprc]

Looks like people aren't really bothered 125 times post viewed and only 23 votes

Nail, Hammer, head....... Not worth getting worked up about....another always comes along within a short amout of time.

[Blacque Jacque]

Many people will return to a thread to view the replies, each time they do it adds to the # views total.

Ignore the number of voters & look at the percentages, so far it's a landslide for publicising pricing.

[FERRETTI]

The percentage tells a story but so does 33 votes from a supposed 20 + thousand members

[Backlash]

I say YES... all items should have prices on them. As stated earlier in the thread, we are all Big boys and Girls, and all have a good idea of what our "For Sale" items are worth.

I will not "Make offers" because I some how cant help that feel that I might be getting ripped off (or ripping myself off), especially when the seller comes back with a "But, Joe Bloggs has just offered me $XXXX, can you beat that offer??"

For things that are truely rare, or the seller just has no idea of what it is worth, then an auction (like eBay) is really the only way to honestly work out what something is worth.

Remember, an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.........

My 2 cents worth.

Cheers

[twisty]

FERRETTI:

The percentage tells a story but so does 33 votes from a supposed 20 + thousand members

I think ,the 20+ thousand figure is from when TC started,several years ago(i might be wrong about this) and there are current members who don`t even know the forum exists and others who don`t use the forum.

and what Blacque Jacque said.

People should ask a price if they can,if they can`t they should auction it on ebay,not play one offer off against another,which is what has being going on.As backlash said.

[FERRETTI]

I think we will need more than 46 vote to interest the mods.

[twisty]

I think we will need more than 46 vote to interest the mods.

Patience my friend,good things usually take time

[gordb]

I think we will need more than 46 vote to interest the mods.

I have to agree - I guess these are just some of the challanges of administrating a community as large as TC.

As someone mentioned in the related thread, I suspect the more immediate issue for many (myself included) is just the disrespect/rudeness of some sellers, both in the ad, and in the response (or more often, lack of response). Enforcing prices is just one possible solution to this problem.

Given Chris has just instituted a staging area for some members ads for a different reason, perhaps we could piggy back off the same scheme for sellers whos ads or actions are disrespectful/arrogant to fellow club members? If enough complaints are registered, a seller can be placed on a probation and all of their ads go through staging/moderation?

[Rat Fink]

Given Chris has just instituted a staging area for some members ads for a different reason, perhaps we could piggy back off the same scheme for sellers whos ads or actions are disrespectful/arrogant to fellow club members? If enough complaints are registered, a seller can be placed on a probation and all of their ads go through staging/moderation?

Having just recieved 2 insulting offers on one of my trades with a price statedI have decided to remove the NIB trades from my trade section.

This was the case when I first joined and it was put to me that " everybody likes a bargin".

Well in my opinion some people deserve a slap upside the head for being terminally stupid but that's just my opinion

Who want's a NIB black bumper Sand Scorcher with a NIB body kit and a full set of original tyres in the original boxes.......... Value around 2 to 2.5 grand................. willing to accept 10% of it's true value to keep a fellow TC member sweet....................yeah right!

To so blatently under offer is an insult to my intelligence. I am not here to be insulted and I expect those who have the same hobby to show more respect for the seller.

SO on the other side of the coin how about banning cretins that have no idea of the value of a real vintage model and come at you with the limp excuse that "Tamiya may re release it and then what would you do" My answer. I have the original...............you have a re release and never the twain shall meet. If you can't tell the difference then get a hobby collecting bottle tops and leave those of us who appreciate the uniqueness of an original to enjoy it away from your inane, stupid and shallow attempts to get something cheap.

If you wish to ban me for being arrogant, go ahead, If you feel I should suffer some probationary period to show what a good boy I can be and my ads vetted, feel free.

I have helped and supported a number of members on here and provided materials free to get their models finished to a higher spec.

RF

Collector of tamiya for many years and 43 years old not 12!

[twisty]

At the end of the day,money has different values depending on how much of it you have or havn`t got.

Don`t take it so seriously...............please.

It costs nothing to refuse ,even a stupid offer.

[acorn]

Having just recieved 2 insulting offers on one of my trades with a price statedI have decided to remove the NIB trades from my trade section.

This was the case when I first joined and it was put to me that " everybody likes a bargin".

Well in my opinion some people deserve a slap upside the head for being terminally stupid but that's just my opinion

Who want's a NIB black bumper Sand Scorcher with a NIB body kit and a full set of original tyres in the original boxes.......... Value around 2 to 2.5 grand................. willing to accept 10% of it's true value to keep a fellow TC member sweet....................yeah right!

To so blatently under offer is an insult to my intelligence. I am not here to be insulted and I expect those who have the same hobby to show more respect for the seller.

SO on the other side of the coin how about banning cretins that have no idea of the value of a real vintage model and come at you with the limp excuse that "Tamiya may re release it and then what would you do" My answer. I have the original...............you have a re release and never the twain shall meet. If you can't tell the difference then get a hobby collecting bottle tops and leave those of us who appreciate the uniqueness of an original to enjoy it away from your inane, stupid and shallow attempts to get something cheap.

If you wish to ban me for being arrogant, go ahead, If you feel I should suffer some probationary period to show what a good boy I can be and my ads vetted, feel free.

I have helped and supported a number of members on here and provided materials free to get their models finished to a higher spec.

RF

Collector of tamiya for many years and 43 years old not 12!

Yeah, thats why I never make offers.

Insulted by an offer that you asked for? You expect this, you expect that?

Im sorry, but I do find your reaction a bit rich. Your tone is extreemely rude and patronising. Who are you to call people cretins? You sound more like a money grabbing trader then a collector. For all you know those offers were made by kids offering all they have. You dont necesseraly know, but you are quite happy you openly insult them. All they did was make a private offer.

And I love the way you lay in to people then try to minimise it with your last sentances. Would I want to see you baned or peanilised? Nope. Your far better out in the open. And your 43, you say? Not 12? Well, I suggest you try to use some of that wisdom you should have gained in that time.

Nice, very nice.

[FERRETTI]

Yeah, thats why I never make offers.

Insulted by an offer that you asked for? You expect this, you expect that?

Sorry acorn, but didn't Rat Fink say he had a starting price in this case? if so I think it's fair to be a little upset by offers way below it, maybe his venom is a touch strong but I get equally worked up about "make me an offer" .

[Rat Fink]

Yeah, thats why I never make offers.

Insulted by an offer that you asked for? You expect this, you expect that?

Im sorry, but I do find your reaction a bit rich. Your tone is extreemely rude and patronising. Who are you to call people cretins? You sound more like a money grabbing trader then a collector. For all you know those offers were made by kids offering all they have. You dont necesseraly know, but you are quite happy you openly insult them. All they did was make a private offer.

And I love the way you lay in to people then try to minimise it with your last sentances. Would I want to see you baned or peanilised? Nope. Your far better out in the open. And your 43, you say? Not 12? Well, I suggest you try to use some of that wisdom you should have gained in that time.

Nice, very nice.

Acorn

I help kids both on here and around me to progress with this hobby. I buy low end cars and rebuild them for youngsters who want to have a go but can't afford it.

I spend hours fixing and hunting down replacement parts after breakages. This is because many youngsters are used to an out of the box, break it then bin it life. I try to generate an interest greater than that in youngsters that are interested.

I stated the price and the offers were stupid.

You consider me to be a money grabbing trader rather than a collector, an interesting interpretation which is based on what? Because I am exteamly rude or because I patronise you? Who am I to call people cretins I don't call people cretins I call cretins cretins and the insult will only find root with those who consider themselves to be cretins. If the hat fits wear it!

As far as little kids offering their pocket money for a vintage 959 new in box I very much doubt it.

As far as wisdom gained, I have plenty which I share with those who wish to learn.

I'm sure you do your bit to generate young blood in a hobby which is becoming more ready to run than, and less on skills and learning.

RF

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[Lemming]

Come on guys. Lets keep this nice, as this is a useful discussion.

I feel for Rat Fink in that he stated a price, then got silly offers. Whilst that is bad, most people who will try to get something as cheap as possible. I honestly believe that 99% of people would get an item as cheap as they possibly can. It's not being a cretin as much as being a cheeky git! Can you blame them for making a lower offer (don't know the exact figure involved on this one - it could well be insulting) if you have not yet managed to sell an item?

Basically, I generally never reply to ads asking for offers unless I REALLY need the item in question, and then only if I cannot find it elsewhere. I will however always offer the asking price if I need an item someone has priced up (or sometimes even when I don't really need it).

As for the "make me an offer" / "I will ignore stupid offers" / "you know what this is worth" thing...

Prices fluctuate wildly on most items (our precious RC stuff included). I have had a Sand Scorcher in good condition go for well under the expected price, and bought 4 Avante's (job lot) for around the price of 1 decent one. So, yes people can look up prices, but whilst the seller may look up the higher prices they have gone for, the buyer will normally look for the lowest - middle prices. Can you blame them? Would you pay 200 for an Avante, or 95 (as I sold one for) for one? If you say that you would happily pay the 200, then you:

a. Have way more money than most people

b. Are completely bonkers

c. Are probably telling fibs

note: this is my opinion - others are welcome to disagree

Basically I am saying that if someone puts a price (including ONO) then try not to be insulting (if you offer, make it near to the price asked). If they don't put a price then they are really asking people to say what it is worth TO THEM (not to the seller). In that case, be prepared for silly offers and simply have the good humour to tell people that it is way too low and maybe point them in the right direction. An email takes 2 seconds, not replying at all is simply rude and reduces the chance of the person ever buying from you again.

Manners cost nothing, so reply. Rudeness gets you nowhere and you would be surprised at how much members talk amongst themselves.

Finished at last!

Steve

EDIT: Forgot to add, regarding the issue of Traders...

I know several members who buy cheap broken cars on Ebay, do them up, then sell them for a profit (normally very small profit - sometimes a loss!). I see nothing wrong with this at all - in fact I see it as a fun way to experience a whole range of vehicles without blowing a fortune.

Think about it, you have the option of buying those broken cars cheap and doing them up yourself. The time taken to repair a vehicle can often be quite long (hunting for parts etc). Most of those that I deal with who do this simply trade in this way to make enough money to continue their collecting.

If you have enough money to not have to do this, fair enough. Don't criticise those who may not have the funds to do it your way.

[Dr.Robotnik]

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Quote and laugh..............

I don't care and don't understand what the problem with make me an offer is...there can be many reasons for using it. Surely just put whatever you want e.g. make me an offer, o.n.o., o.v.n.o., etc? Imagine its ebay and you have to put in your offer/max. bid, well that's the same here surely?

[Dr.Robotnik]

I know several members who buy cheap broken cars on Ebay, do them up, then sell them for a profit (normally very small profit - sometimes a loss!). I see nothing wrong with this at all - in fact I see it as a fun way to experience a whole range of vehicles without blowing a fortune.

Think about it, you have the option of buying those broken cars cheap and doing them up yourself. The time taken to repair a vehicle can often be quite long (hunting for parts etc). Most of those that I deal with who do this simply trade in this way to make enough money to continue their collecting.

If you have enough money to not have to do this, fair enough. Don't criticise those who may not have the funds to do it your way.

Solid stuff :-)

[Bin ^jammin^]

Having just got back into the "RC scene" (if that's the right way to put it?) i find that there is a serious amount of research to do to find out what parts will fit other kits, when trying to make modifications etc.

I don't have a large box full of parts from a multitude of past kits, so to finally find a piece and then see "NO HOW MUCH make me an offer" on said bits is enough to make me want to smash up the computer!

If you know how much it's worth or want for it, why don't you advertise it as such and save me a premature trip to prison...AAAAAAARRGH

Just my two pence worth

[kontemax]

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Max