Brushless In A Top Force Evo?

[GTodd]

So what do you think guys? Once I add the alloy motor mount will my TF be able to handle a mild brush less? I don't want to go 70MPH like that crazy DI. Dont worr I'll be using a basher TF body.

[DI Joe]

So what do you think guys? Once I add the alloy motor mount will my TF be able to handle a mild brush less? I don't want to go 70MPH like that crazy DI. Dont worr I'll be using a basher TF body.

Yeah, no problem at all. Lemming had his at Kidderminster last year and I can tell you it flew!!! I also now have a brushless in my TF Evo.

[Lonestar]

Guys

"a" brushless doesn't mean anything. a 2.5 is in no way comparable to a 13.5 for instance... both are brushless though.

You wouldn't ask the same question with a "brushed" would you? Because in no way is a Checkpoint 7 turn comparable to an Integy 55T

Paul

[Tipsy]

I have an SS5800 in mine. Only issue I have is heat, as the bodyshell shape doesn't allow much airflow. This was only an issue in summer though. I also ran my 5.5 in it, and it worked fine.

[Lemming]

Yep, SS5800 in mine, and apart from gear wear (don't use reverse too much) it's absolutely fine. 40k rpm or thereabouts, so just to get an idea of pace. Torque on the SS5800 is good, as I fitted a second one into a Jugg and that ran superbly!

@Lonestar: (god, this is going to sound like a lecture or something.... Sorry )

Good point, but basically any brushless set-up is going to be 13t or hotter equivalent (unless we talk crawler set-ups which are nothing to do with this).

So he is basically asking if he can fit a 13t plus motor to his Top Force. Not everyone knows that much about motors, but often think in terms of Brushless = Fast (and low maintenance) and normal = 27t stock to 23t "hot" Tamiya motors.

Basically, would someone not in the know fit a hotter brushed motor - not unless they are willing to buy a lathe for skimming the comm, spare brushes etc, so they think in the Std vs Brushless way.

Another thing to consider is a 2.5 - 9 would probably not work well in an older buggy anyway due to the relative lack of torque when used with big wheels and restricted gear ratios (certainly an issue on a Top Force).

So the "real" question is: "Can I fit a resonable (13t to 10t equivalent) into a Top Force without breaking it" or "Can I fit a brushless set-up to my Top Force, if so what do people recommend..."

I like people asking questions like this as it gives a chance for members to present some useful advice, such as "from experience, the Novak SS5800 works fine", or "the Mamba Max destroyed my diffs".

Steve

p.s. He also said "mild" brushless - Novak SS5800 it is then!

[TA-Mark]

I fitted a Castlecreations MambaMax to my Blazing Star (Top Force Chassis'd) and the only real drama I had was the soft alloy pinions. They eat out within a battery. I've since swapped in a 19T steel pinion from a DF02 and have had no problems with the gearboxes what so ever. 17T to 19T seems about the limits of ratio mods with the MambaMax. 17T is alot of wheelspin, 19T is some wheelspin but much higher speed.

Full bearings are a must!! Plastic bushes melt very quick at the high rpms. Alloy hex drives in the wheels are a must aswell.

A slipper clutch for these gearboxes would be a huge bonus, but I've never seen one available.

Main thing to remember with brushless is it's like a 13T brushed or lower wind with twice the runtime and little maintainence. Because of the huge amounts of power the driveline will wear at 4 times the rate of using the 'hot' Tamiya motor that was recommended by Tamiya.

Be prepared to do alot of maintainence and buy alot of replacement parts if you intend to run it alot as I do.

This is by far my favourite buggy. I have DF01, DF02 and DF03 to choose from to drive and nearly always pick the DF01 to race and 'practice' with.

[GTodd]

Nice to hear, thanks. I plan on throwing a brushless in my regular TF too. I was concerned about not having the metal gears in my regular TF like the ones that the EVO has. But seeing how urs is holding up ok I'll be ok.

[Lonestar]

Yep, SS5800 in mine, and apart from gear wear (don't use reverse too much) it's absolutely fine. 40k rpm or thereabouts, so just to get an idea of pace. Torque on the SS5800 is good, as I fitted a second one into a Jugg and that ran superbly!

@Lonestar: (god, this is going to sound like a lecture or something.... Sorry )

Good point, but basically any brushless set-up is going to be 13t or hotter equivalent (unless we talk crawler set-ups which are nothing to do with this).

So he is basically asking if he can fit a 13t plus motor to his Top Force. Not everyone knows that much about motors, but often think in terms of Brushless = Fast (and low maintenance) and normal = 27t stock to 23t "hot" Tamiya motors.

Basically, would someone not in the know fit a hotter brushed motor - not unless they are willing to buy a lathe for skimming the comm, spare brushes etc, so they think in the Std vs Brushless way.

Another thing to consider is a 2.5 - 9 would probably not work well in an older buggy anyway due to the relative lack of torque when used with big wheels and restricted gear ratios (certainly an issue on a Top Force).

So the "real" question is: "Can I fit a resonable (13t to 10t equivalent) into a Top Force without breaking it" or "Can I fit a brushless set-up to my Top Force, if so what do people recommend..."

I like people asking questions like this as it gives a chance for members to present some useful advice, such as "from experience, the Novak SS5800 works fine", or "the Mamba Max destroyed my diffs".

Steve

p.s. He also said "mild" brushless - Novak SS5800 it is then!

Hi Steve - I agree with some of the above... but remember in Japan they sometimes allow 13.5 to run in the 23T class... hence some BL's performance is way milder than 13T's

BTW I met with Oscal Jansen last week at the track. We talked BL's for a few minutes, and he showed me a esc/motor combo aimed at the bashing hobbyist that should match the performance of a 23T (which is what a lot of us now run in the french-speaking part of switzerland, due to the local championships running these) for the weekend warrior, that should sell for about EUR100 all inclusive I told him to put my name on the waiting list

Paul

[Lemming]

Hi Steve - I agree with some of the above... but remember in Japan they sometimes allow 13.5 to run in the 23T class... hence some BL's performance is way milder than 13T's

BTW I met with Oscal Jansen last week at the track. We talked BL's for a few minutes, and he showed me a esc/motor combo aimed at the bashing hobbyist that should match the performance of a 23T (which is what a lot of us now run in the french-speaking part of switzerland, due to the local championships running these) for the weekend warrior, that should sell for about EUR100 all inclusive I told him to put my name on the waiting list

Paul

Hi Paul, (I love to put names to members as well as their TC names, so thanks)

Glad you took that the way it was meant (I sometimes sound worse than I mean too!)

Now, a basher brushless set-up is what is really needed in the market. At 100 Euro's it would be well worthwhile! That's the reason I love the Novak SS5800. Cheap (for brushless) with excellent run-times, pace and torque and with very low maintenance.

Would love it if you could keep us updated on this as it would be of massive interest to loads of members on here.

All the best

Steve