Is The Super Champ An Srb

[BORMAC]

Paul I couldnt tell you why the finish is different on those parts but I do know that the Super Champ is actualy an S.R.B. Infact I think that Tamiya should go back and un-call the RR and SS an SRB and just call them RB (Racing Buggies). I think the term SRB should have been saved for the Supar Champ alone- (tongue in cheek)

[loaded]

Good call, I would agree with that! The Sand Scorcher and Rough Rider are both different from the Super Champ. Rather proves the point, don't you think?

(Tongue in both cheeks - hey?)

Paul.

[loaded]

Debate on Super Champ bumpers to be found here:

Super Champ bumper vote!

Showroom entry (in order to choose preferred bumper)

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.a...309&id=4964

:-)

Paul.

[Incredible_Serious]

Well it is funny, those who believe it to be an SRB seem to have been more emotional than rational (general statement, not directed at anyone in particular, but the general 'camp') and those who don't have been more rational than emotional.

So those who think it is an SRB are irrational? Hardly...

I added to this thread in the light-hearted manner in which it SEEMED to have been started. I never expected to have my rationality questioned. I don't own a Super Chump, nor any of the other SRBs.... no emotion comes into it.

I checked the showrooms of most and those who don't think it is an SRB have both. Funny that :-)

Smacks of elitism, that does....

Full build will end up in another thread/showroom entry, as it doesn't belong here.

Thanks for adding the builds, I will never get the opportunity to build one of these from a NIB, so I appreciate your work...

I always knew the vote would, because of the question, invite more negative votes than positive. In fact, I expected even more disagreement in the votes.

You've got it all wrong matey.... there is more positive than negative! You seem to have "loaded" the topic in your own mind, even before anyone had responded! A "Yes" is a positive.... a "No" is a negative. UNLESS........ you always wanted to have the yes vote be the negative, and thus in your eyes, wrong vote.

I've had a hard time putting into words exactly what I wanted to say in this post, as I did want to get a point across, without stepping on toes.... but I guess some toes will be squished, or at least put out of joint. So be it.

Alex

[Woober Goober]

Yeah, definately an SRB. I used to run a couple of my Super Champs until their rubber peeled off the rim.......my friends and I always refererred to the ole Champ as an SRB. Honestly, we did not really care what the paper Did Not say.

Loaded, I gotta be honest, when you were eluding to having the largest private collection of NIB Super Champs, I thought you were talking about a dozen or so....you say you are down to four, because you built one. Honestly, I do not think 4 NIB (previously 5,) even comes close to being the bigggest private collection. Jerry S. (Pleiku) used to buy a NIB Super Champ every time the price of gold went up 10 cents, and last year, he gave one away just for the fun of it- well, you had to be the first person to answer his riddle correctly. I think he would be the first to admit that even with his 6 gold plated Super Champ chassis' and the loads of aftermarket parts, that he still did not have the largest private collection.

Did I already say that the Super Champ is an SRB? Oh, yeah, I guess I did.

Scott

[RETRO R/C]

I have my own opinion, but I am not incapable of changing it. In fact I was hoping to either confirm my opinion or find enough argument to change it, as so many others have a different one.

For the record, to this point, I can say that no one has convinced me that the Super Champ is an SRB. On the contrary, despite the vote, the more reasoned arguments are coming from the 'isn't' camp (again, my opinion)

Just to be clear Paul - I was referring to these remarks above by yourself in my original post.......... I dont see why anyone could be bothered to try and change someones opinion??

I dont think there are any over the top posts here - nor do I think people have gotten irrational at all - just different ways of thinking and viewing their hobby. This seems to be more of a wind up now - just to get it going?

To be honest I see both sides - the literal Tamiya catalog way and the way the majority have called the series of cars all their lives............at the end of the day does it really matter?

Cheers

Darryn

[Wireless]

In my opinion, the Super Champ is an SRB. The reason for this is that it represents an evolution of the SS / RR / FR chassis, incorporating Tamiya's 'best effort' parts and designs of the time.

To me it's the equivalent of saying a Supershot is not a part of the Hotshot family because it has four shocks, gold wheels and a RX-540SD motor - of course it is, it's an evolution of ther Hotshot.

[Backlash]

IMO, YES the Super Champ is an SRB..

Whilst the Rough Rider and Sand Scorcher are the only 2 (of the 4) to be labeled SRB by Tamiya, the similarities between the 2 chassis outweigh the differences..

I have basically read this entire post (over the last 2 nights) and honestly "Loaded", I dont know what you expect us Believers to proove.. Opinions are like that, each to their own, and not one of them is necessarily wrong. Mate, she would be a boring old place (world) to live in if everyone thought the same.

In reality, I suppose it all comes down to how one looks at things... "Is the glass half empty, or is it half full??"

Cheers

Oh, and for the record, I own 4 x Super Champs, 1 x Rough Rider and 1 x Ranger (Still wanting a Scorcher) and of all of the SRB's, I feel that the Super Champ is the best SRB that Tamiya built, but at the same time, it is not my favorite..

[loaded]

Hi guys,

So, Woober Goober, I am guessing the guy you mention in your showroom 'about me' page in Australia: (Quote follows)

"I think the best thing about this hobby and Tamiyaclub, is the friendships I have formed over the years- have known a guy in Australia and another 1000 miles from me, whom I have never met, but would consider some of my best friends. ":

would be incredible_serious, judging by the number of posts to each others showrooms?

I am just guessing that. Perhaps you could confirm? Or you are just having a little poke against me together coincidentally?

And, Incredible Serious, I reckon your comments say more about you than me! If I make a typo, the thing to do is PM me, rather than try to show me up in forum ;-)

It is funny, you know, I have 'skulked' around the forum for years, not really posting. I saw a lot of anger, flaming and nonsense and frankly I didn't want to be a part of it. I wanted to enjoy the hobby, get some questions answered, but frankly, there are a lot of touchy people out there if they can get so upset about plastic and metal toy cars. I love this hobby and many of the people in it, but things are so often misconstrued, or misunderstood it is not surprising I stayed off for years. When I saw a couple of well known serious collectors, like Hong Kong, getting a bit bashed in forums and constant comments about mega NIB collectors not getting involved in the hobby, or even making comments/descriptions of their showroom, I decided to ramp up my showroom listings and forum comments - you know, get more involved in Tamiyaclub.com . I really thought this was a mature place for people to agree or disagree and enjoy the hobby. Getting your mates to help you with your fight, just drags it down to school yard tactics.

Anyway, back to the topic...

Paul.

PS : Darryn, actually, no - it doesn't really matter :-) That is why I don't understand the hostile and personal nature of some of the posts.

[RETRO R/C]

PS : Darryn, actually, no - it doesn't really matter :-) That is why I don't understand the hostile and personal nature of some of the posts.

Hey Paul,

I actually dont think any of the posts are really hostile at all. I think it is the way you are taking them on board - and because they may not really be what you may want to hear - they are affecting how you are feeling/responding about/to them?? Maybe I am reading you wrong - thats what I hate about emails and forums - you cant convey the emotion or "fun" meant by a comment.

I, (much the same as you say you have been intially), very rarely post on the forums now. Usually I make sure nothing bad is going down (one of the joyous roles of admin), and to try an make a contribution where it is needed.

On another note - when it comes to collections - I know of two collectors who personally have collections that would make the largest collection on TC look like pimple on a pumpkin....hows 27 NIB hotshots sound?? There are people way crazier than here on TC about this stuff. I do commend you for backing up Hong Kong too.

EVERYONE - remember that these are all OPINIONS - everyone is entitled to one - and while you might not agree with another person - DONT TAKE IT PERSONALLY!

DO NOT START dragging this down to a fight. That means - dont start summising and getting all "conspiracy theory" about it too.

TOY CARS PEOPLE.

Cheers

Darryn

[loaded]

You are partly right. The internet/email/text messaging doesn't convey the full message of what one is trying to convey.

There have been plenty of personal comments on here, just because you haven't read them doesn't mean they are not there.

This thread was started in a nice spirit, by me, it was not intended to get like this. I should have known better. I don't enjoy confrontation, even worse is anonymous confrontation.

27 Hotshots sounds nuts, especially since the re release! Despite the fact that values are not important, it can't be nice to hear one day that the value of your Hotshot collection has gone down by $13,500 That said, not even a quarter of my collection is on TC, I kept it off and haven't uploaded much recently. The way I am feeling right now, it is likely to stay that way. Not exactly my loss. Its my collection after all, my choice to share it or not.

The Super Champ is no Super Chump. It is a great buggy and my collection is all the better for having them. I think I am going to go outside now, run my nice little new buggy in my garden, in the shining sun and forget about bothering to share my opinions with people, most of whom I have never actually met.

Paul.

Signing off this topic, do with it what you will.

[RA1028]

Very interesting topic so I hope everyone be postitive and keep this thread going.

I voted for yes. I think Super Champ should be referred to as a SRB. My reason is I think Tamiya used the term 'special racing buggy' at the beginning has less meaning as now. . So I think there were no true meaning to the term 'special racing buggy' .When the RR and SS first released, to me, Tamiya just wanted to point out they were special and simliar to the real offroad buggy that you can race with your friend. But because of the success, then people start to group them and call them SRBs.

By the way, Super Champ was my first RC car, so it is one of my favourite but I don't get offended if people say it is not a SRB. To me it is just a common term that a group of people use to refer to something. Different group of people simply use it differently.

Because f this post, now I know above 2/3 of people here( or at least people who placed their vote) think RR,SS,FR and SC all SRBs.

[Incredible_Serious]

Hi guys,

So, Woober Goober, I am guessing the guy you mention in your showroom 'about me' page in Australia: (Quote follows)

"I think the best thing about this hobby and Tamiyaclub, is the friendships I have formed over the years- have known a guy in Australia and another 1000 miles from me, whom I have never met, but would consider some of my best friends. ":

would be incredible_serious, judging by the number of posts to each others showrooms?

[tongue_in_cheek] Yup loaded buddy, me and my international posse are coming for you.... [/tongue_in_cheek]

There's no conspiracy matey..... I know quite a lot of people on TC via e-mails, PMs, forum posts, instant messaging, etc etc. Know quite a few more here in Oz too, through TC, that I am in contact with quite often. We're friends because we discuss similar ideas, like similar stuff, and generally enjoy ragging on each other. We don't always agree, but then with friends you don't always have to.

And, Incredible Serious, I reckon your comments say more about you than me!

Yup, I can take a joke... now, where's that emoticon for sticking out the tongue? Oh yeah, here it is....

If I make a typo, the thing to do is PM me, rather than try to show me up in forum ;-)

Fair comment matey, consider it taken on board.... goes both ways though...

To be honest, I love the big collections, so please don't stop adding your cars and builds. I also love the quirky collections though.... people like wldnas, subarubrattjunkie, heypas.... who have interesting and varied collections of rc models. Even Twinset, if you aren't allergic to yellow and black.....

As you may have guessed, I'm no Tamiya purist; I like Tamiya stuff, but not exclusively, and I don't hold it up on a pillar above the rest of the rc world. Now Schumacher, that's another story.....

Oh, and as RA1028 has noted..... Vote YES in Prop SRB!!!! Go the yes vote!

Alex

[Woober Goober]

Yeah, you got it Loaded.........not ashamed to say I have known the bloke for about 8 years now, and still look forward to chatting with him about a club we have been members of, or have at least paid attention to, for years.

Actually Loaded, the discussion did come up about this poll, as Alex knows what an admirer of these cars I am, having been somebody who actually runs them, as blasphemous as that may seem (joke.)

Was not really trying to gang up on you at all, was simply questioning a pretty bold statement, you had made.

Anyways, did not really intend to offend, but my vote still stands sir!!

Scott

[Grumpy pants]

Great thread - my vote would have been SRB.

But I’d say like the revised BMW E36 M3 - a Super Champ is an Evolution SRB 👍

[jonboy1]

and the prize for randomly reviving the oldest thread go to.......

@Grumpy pants 

[Mouc-RC]

Excellent thread nevertheless
With the original @Saito (I guess, because I'm a fan of Today's @Saito2 ) on page 3 !!!

Voted SRB too. I'd even say "SRBest of the range" . The body is so nice, and the radio-deck is handy. The Sand Scorcher is über cool also. The Rough Rider would be almost perfect but the radio-box doesn't allow the low part of the body to get thinner & rounded, which is a pity.

The Ford is cool, but lacks of a bit of realism, from the chassis standpoint.

[gt6++]

And some members from a long time ago that no longer seem to post, or maybe they changes names....

Super Champ SRB !!

[Saito2]

2 hours ago, Mouc-RC said:

Excellent thread nevertheless
With the original @Saito (I guess, because I'm a fan of Today's @Saito2 ) on page 3 !!!

Thanks! I am both Saito and Saito2 (as well as Rockcrusher briefly). I've been coming on here roughly everyday since 2005, lol.

That debate was a pretty hot one back in the day. Maybe next we can bring up the Hotshot gold wheels debate from back then too.

[gt6++]

8 minutes ago, Saito2 said:

Thanks! I am both Saito and Saito2 (as well as Rockcrusher briefly). I've been coming on here roughly everyday since 2005, lol.

That debate was a pretty hot one back in the day. Maybe next we can bring up the Hotshot gold wheels debate from back then too.

I recall something of a discussion.  Also I purchased white hotshot wheels that member Loaded had plated.

[Saito2]

1 hour ago, gt6++ said:

Also I purchased white hotshot wheels that member Loaded had plated.

Yes! I remember that! That was cool to have those available back then from Loaded before the Super Hotshot release made them commonplace again.

[Grumpy pants]

17 hours ago, jonboy1 said:

and the prize for randomly reviving the oldest thread go to.......

@Grumpy pants 

Thanks @jonboy1, hope all is well with you buddy 🙂

The question came up on Sunday in a chat with a fellow rc’er and a Google search lead me to this thread! 
 

What’s your thoughts on this question then?

I went with ‘Yes, the SC is an SRB’. 

[Incredible_Serious]

7 minutes ago, Grumpy pants said:

What’s your thoughts on this question then?

I went with ‘Yes, the SC is an SRB’. 

Pretty much everyone went YES on this..... except one person, the original poster. 

[Mouc-RC]

As a lover of "writings" about R/C things, I noticed that in the thread were also present @larbut , the guy from TamiyaBase I think (!) & @Hibernaculum , the guy from R/C Toy Memories!
What a great bunch of writers spawned from TamiyaClub...
(Sorry if TB was present before TC ;) )

[jonboy1]

1 hour ago, Grumpy pants said:

Thanks @jonboy1, hope all is well with you buddy 🙂

The question came up on Sunday in a chat with a fellow rc’er and a Google search lead me to this thread! 
 

What’s your thoughts on this question then?

I went with ‘Yes, the SC is an SRB’. 

Hold on, you were "conversing with an rc'er"??? You mean face-to-face, in-real-life???? All a bit too social for me!!! 

I'd have to say yes too, in honesty, i'd always assumed it was and had never questioned it. I'd see it as the Super Astute to the Astute, different, better maybe, but still the same deep down.