No Re-release With Technigold?

[macmeniac]

Until now each re-released was a model with the normal Mabuchi 540 motor. It seems that we will not see a model with Technigold re-released. The Avante Mk.II isnt really a re-release! So any dreams of a re-released Porsche 959 or Bigwig etc. are useless? Of course dreams are always allowed ;-)

[Mad Ax]

In my personal opinion, I think Tamiya's days of including hot motors with their cars are pretty much over. The highest-spec models don't come with a motor at all because Tamiya know that racers will use whichever motor suits their track, club rules and driving style. There's no point increasing kit price by $30 if the motor included won't be compatible with many racer's club regs.

But I don't think that has anything to do with possibilities of re-release. For example, I doubt an Avante would ever be re-re'd because of the cost of reproducing the parts, not because Tamiya don't want to re-release the Technigold (which suffers badly in comparison to modern hot motors). An Avante with an included Super Stock RZ would be a nice touch, but IMO overkill for what is basically quite a fragile car, and would put the kit price up a lot.

The BigWig would be a very interesting re-re, I'd be interested in buying one, but it was quite a flawed model when new and isn't competitive without the 8.4v battery. Maybe Tamiya could redesign it for 7.2v and not pretend it's a top-spec racing machine. Personally I doubt any of the "flawed" models will be re-released because of the damage it could do to Tamiya's current reputation.

This is an interesting side-track for the re-re discussion (sorry, slightly off-topic) - we (as collectors and Tamiya enthusiasts) know that the BigWig had a few flaws or that the Avante had a few weaknesses, but would that stop us buying them? Of course not. However if you were a youngster, just getting into RC for the very first time, and your parents came from the hobby shop with a new model for you to build - would you rather they bought the BigWig, or the Dark Impact?

There is nothing on the re-re boxes to state that they are old and out-dated designs. I would worry, as a manufacturer, what affect my reputation could have if I released vintage models onto the current market to compete directly against modern hardware.

Can you imagine how much Ford's reputation would suffer if they re-released the Anglia and didn't bother to tell people that it hadn't been majorly changed since its first release over 40 years ago..?

This isn't a dig at Tamiya but it's a point worthy of consideration, IMO

[macmeniac]

In my personal opinion, I think Tamiya's days of including hot motors with their cars are pretty much over. The highest-spec models don't come with a motor at all because Tamiya know that racers will use whichever motor suits their track, club rules and driving style. There's no point increasing kit price by $30 if the motor included won't be compatible with many racer's club regs.

But I don't think that has anything to do with possibilities of re-release. For example, I doubt an Avante would ever be re-re'd because of the cost of reproducing the parts, not because Tamiya don't want to re-release the Technigold (which suffers badly in comparison to modern hot motors). An Avante with an included Super Stock RZ would be a nice touch, but IMO overkill for what is basically quite a fragile car, and would put the kit price up a lot.

The BigWig would be a very interesting re-re, I'd be interested in buying one, but it was quite a flawed model when new and isn't competitive without the 8.4v battery. Maybe Tamiya could redesign it for 7.2v and not pretend it's a top-spec racing machine. Personally I doubt any of the "flawed" models will be re-released because of the damage it could do to Tamiya's current reputation.

This is an interesting side-track for the re-re discussion (sorry, slightly off-topic) - we (as collectors and Tamiya enthusiasts) know that the BigWig had a few flaws or that the Avante had a few weaknesses, but would that stop us buying them? Of course not. However if you were a youngster, just getting into RC for the very first time, and your parents came from the hobby shop with a new model for you to build - would you rather they bought the BigWig, or the Dark Impact?

There is nothing on the re-re boxes to state that they are old and out-dated designs. I would worry, as a manufacturer, what affect my reputation could have if I released vintage models onto the current market to compete directly against modern hardware.

Can you imagine how much Ford's reputation would suffer if they re-released the Anglia and didn't bother to tell people that it hadn't been majorly changed since its first release over 40 years ago..?

This isn't a dig at Tamiya but it's a point worthy of consideration, IMO

good points and I agree with you that the Technigold is outdated. I have a Bigwig and with a 8.4V battery you have a lot of fun.

[Karmann]

anglia was released 60 years ago.

Interesting point on the re-re damaging current reputation, maybe they should label the re re's 'vintage series' or something.

[Stefan(2)]

In my personal opinion, I think Tamiya's days of including hot motors with their cars are pretty much over.

Partial incorrect

The c-group re-releases came with sport tuned motors.

Of course, this are not the technigold status motors, but still .. They did came with it

Stefan

[Wireless]

Last year I was in direct contact with Mabuchi Motor of Japan with regards to obtaining any spares that may be compatible with the Technigold or indeed, Technigolds (or the Mabuchi / Marui / whoever else used them generic RX-540VZ variants). Unfortunately, they have not been made for a long time and no spares exist for them any more. It's so unlikely as to be definite that no new Technigold motors will be seen from Tamiya. Same goes for the 'Power and 'Tuned...

Sorry to rain on the parade...

[madaz75]

Can you imagine how much Ford's reputation would suffer if they re-released the Anglia and didn't bother to tell people that it hadn't been majorly changed since its first release over 40 years ago..?

funny you should mention that but...

the Ford "Kent" engine appeared in the 1959 Anglia with a capacity of 997 cc..

Lo and behold in 1996 the Ford Ka was released.

Guess what?

It had a "Kent" engine.

Ok ok.. so it had a slightly different cylinder head, and was upgraded to electronic ignition..

But it was still a Kent

Now apply that to some of the RE-Re's from Tamiya..

Original Brat: Hard Body only, Uni-joint out drives

Re-Re Brat: Poly Carbonate and hard bodies, Dog Bone out drives

(But we still call it a Brat)

Original Hotshot: Sealed Radio tub, Resistor heat sinks under rear wing

Re-Re Hotshot: Hotshot 2 Radio tub, Fake heat sinks under wing.

(We call it a Hotshot, not a Hotshot 1 and 2 Hybrid)

If a 20, 30, or even 40 year old design is copied today..

even with some "Modern' improvements, be it Materials, accesseries ect ect.

Point remains.. it's still a Old design

Now an Avante or BigWig Re-Re with a Technigold would be nice.

But if they were Re-Re'd, I would be more excited about Spare Parts availability being improved,

than I would be upset that it didn't come with a Technigold motor

[mobias]

Personally I doubt any of the "flawed" models will be re-released because of the damage it could do to Tamiya's current reputation.

But hang on they've re-re'd the Hot Shot which was always considered the most flawed of the lot of them (80's 4WD cars) so if they can re-re that with slight changes surely they can re-re any of the other cars based on that chassis including the Bigwig with the same changes implemented. I reckon given time the Super Shot, Boomerang and Bigwig are all candidates for re-release. Tamiya have aimed these re-re'd cars at us collectors and they know we don't give a toss what motor is included, we'll rush out and buy them regardless.

[Wandy]

There is not a single solitary thing that Tamiya would not re-release so long as there was a strong demand for it in the Japanese market.

[bakaguyjean]

There is not a single solitary thing that Tamiya would not re-release so long as there was a strong demand for it in the Japanese market.

Yes you are correct. And if Tamiya wanted to Re re the 959 with the special motor with an end bell that fits they wouldnt use Mabuchi anyway as they only make the Silver can and Sport tuned for Tamiya these days. The other motors are made in Zama,right next to all the other brands of motors here.