Best HOP UP motor for a new RC User

[DimmaDan]

Need help, and i dont have a clue.

Is there anything good for £20?

Cheers

Dan

[DimmaDan]

Sorry, that post was rushed.

I have a FF01 Maxi 306 kit and i really want to add some real poke to it.

Have got ball racers fitted but apart from that that it.

Need any advice possible as i dont want to get ripped of when buying a motor.

[jimbob4000]

you could get a stock 27 turn motor, but you would need an esc(electronic speed control)

cheers

Adam

[DimmaDan]

Yeah, ive been looking at electronic speed controllers.

Is a 27 turn motor good, what the next option up?

Cheers

[Shodog]

Generally you could use a 27 turn stock motor with and MSC as long as you don't use the low speeds excesively. I use a stock MSC with a 15turn in my Pumpkin but I drive it wide open most of the time.

Since this is a front driver I wouldn't go too wild. My suggestion is a nice spec 19 turn motor with a decent ESC like a Novak XRS or some other speedo in the $60 range.

[DimmaDan]

Is a lower turn motor 19 better than 27?

[Shodog]

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Originally posted by DimmaDan

Is a lower turn motor 19 better than 27?

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Better is subjective. A search of the archives on electric motors will yield a wealth of knowledge on the subject. But quickly though, a 19 turn will be faster than a 27 at the expense of battery life.

[DimmaDan]

Cheers, i did a search before posting but couldn't really work my way through it all.

Cheers

[raemin]

I would go for a good quality 27turn stock motor and a few ball bearings. Start with the ball bearings.

[mr_pushrod]

Go with a decent 27 stock such as a Trinity Revenge of the Monster, you'll get plenty of runtime more speed and the car won't be uncontrollable.

[irenL]

I'd suggest going with a decent stock motor (27 turn).... I've seen some older Yokomo outlaws stock motor go for 13 or so bucks, new... and that motor got some nice torque (got 1 in my FF01 and it gives me a nice torque steer down the front straight)...

In general, the lower the number of turns, the more rpm the motor will yield which in turns higher top end speed within the same gearing... but as peak rpm rises, low end power usually sacrificed. i.e: a 27 turn motor would in general have more torque compared to a 19 turn or lower. Sometimes the difference is so great that you have to change the gearing (just so you get a nice balance between accleration and top speed)

[DimmaDan]

Im not really looking at changing the gearing.

27 turn stock motor it is then.

Thanks for the help.

[jozza]

One thing to bear in mind is that a hopped up 27 or 19 turn motor like the Monster or P2K2 will need more maintenance than the standard motor. The motor which comes with the Tamiya kits will run for years without doing anything with it, but if you run a stock or 19 turn motor it will need to be cleaned and rebuilt, and eventually will need skimming and brush replacement. Most hobby stores will do a motor service where they clean, skim and replace the brushes on a rebuildable motor.

[DimmaDan]

Cheers, im not sure how much use it will get yet. Depends on the weather here in the uk!

[yzfJim]

Hi there, Go for the Trinity monster horsepower pro it is a 27t motor but with timing at 24 degrees plenty of poke and nearly as fast as most 19t motors and it is rebuildable, got one myself which I run against modifyed motors at my local club and im always in the top two. A really good motor at a reasonable price about £20-£27.also a good esc is a sound investment as you will get longer run times but you will be OK with msc with any motor 23t or above just dont drive it to slow for to long, hope this helped.

Jim

[DimmaDan]

So the best thing is a half decent ESC and a 27 turn motor.

What are tamiya motors really like?

[DimmaDan]

Are these any good?

Mtroniks Sonik4 Eco27 ESC

Tamiya Super Stock Motor Type-R (23T) or

Mtroniks 19x2 Blue Heat Modified Motor

[irenL]

I think you've meant the sonik4 eco20, handles down to 20 turns.... I don't remember seeing an eco27... if that's the case, then you're limited to any motor 20 turns and up.

[mr_pushrod]

I would go for the eco 20 in terms of speed control, the eco 27 gives you limited motor choice (not sure I'd trust it on a rebuildable stock!). I've heard good things about the Tamiya motor and it's cheap from Hong Kong although massively expensive in the UK. The Mtroniks motor is a basic motor that even as a 19 will be slower than the Tamiya or trinity motors that have been mentioned.

[irenL]

yup... those tamiya's 23 turn motors got some nice punch. if you want a 19 turn motor... then I'd suggest Associated's/Reedy's 4 magnets 19 turn spec motor... heard nothing but goobs of torque out of it, even more than some 27 turn stock rebuildable motor. Trinity's Chameleon 2 motor felt more like a mild spec 21turn motor...

As for ESC... see if you can get something with a 15turn motor limit cheaply... something similar to novak's XRS will do. Tekin's newly issued Rebel 2 ESC seems to be a good contender as well... I still remember the good days when I got the original Rebel.

[raemin]

ESC bellow 20GBP :

As for ESC I would recomend an hitec one, these are reasonably priced and really offer an impressive amount of torque and a 5 amps bec. If your on a budget these esc can be found second hand on ebay for a gentle price: you just have to avoid ESCs with visible abuse / bad soldering. Tekin is also reselling refurbished ESCs from their websites (why buy a second hand one on ebay, when you can have a refurbished one with tekin guarantee for the same price???). Both ESCs offer torque control which is highly advisable with your chassis.

Novak are very good but at a cost and often require additional diodes caps, etc... The sonik ones are not punchy but on the plus side, most of them are waterproof. LRP products are also of high quality. In any case avoid no-names ESCs: despite "temptating" specs (9t, unlimited or whatever), quality is very low (I learnt it the hard way): low frequency (bad at low speeds), inconsistent bec power, etc...

For more info, just have a look here

Motor Bellow 20GBP:

Why not find last year top of the range stock motors? Top drivers are reselling these through ebay in order to get the "latest/hotest/..." ones. Some of these were not used at all and going very cheap (above all the non rebuildable ones). Bear in mind that one may have very bad surprises with second hand engines, so you'll be better of buying a slightly outdated / never used motor rather than a brand new / heavily abused one. Here again, go for a well known brand (orion, trinity, ...): I've bought a cheap LRP stock motor and have to say it's a piece of ****.