A Tech Q On Msc / Esc

[mongoose1983]

Hey fellas.

I finally got the High Lift last Monday. It's almost ready -only missing the cosmetic bits (see pic). Anyway, one thing that's been on my mind lately is, I know the Bruiser used a regular MSC and had a much bigger motor and battery than the regular Hilux High lift. Well, since there is plenty of space to use in between the body and the frame of the truck I was wondering what if I use a third servo and a regular Tamiya MSC for this one??? What would you say? I have two other trucks with ESCs (BF, MB) but I always liked the simplicity of MSCs the better. If anybody in the know, please help.

Y'All have a great Sunday!

EB

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[DudeWalker]

For hundreds of reasons, I'd say go with the ESC. Especially for something as expensive and detailed as the high lift. I don't consider an MSC simple, unless you mean 'simple' as 'quaint' or 'isn't that cute the way we used to do things in this hobby'. Installing and maintaining an ESC is by far simpler. I've got two cars that have the MSC - an original Frog and MB. Both are RTR and never get run(away), if you know what I'm saying...

[mymonsterbeetleisbroken]

I wouldn't even consider running a Bruiser with an MSC now days. They are simply not reliable enough. The slightest bit of dirt on the contacts and you'll have to take the shell off to fix it - which is easier said than done with the new High Lifts.

[taliesin]

MSC = runaway truck and heartache. bury the MSC in the cat box where it belongs and call it good.

simplicity + MSC: to me that means it simply isn't worth fooling with.

[mongoose1983]

Nope. This has nothing to do with beign reminiscent but more with the USD $60 I would save by using an MSC rather than the manual-required-super-special-made-for-Tamiya-only ESC!

Still, is there any technical issue in the practical use of a regular Tamiya MSC on a High Lift truck?

Anybody in the know or should I just try it myself? You see I don't want to make any mods in the chassis before being sure it will work...

Cheers!

EB

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[pikachoo75]

Hi Mongoose1983,

I had cars in the past that used an MSC and on paper it would seem possible,but the problem i think you would have is due to the 3speed gearbox.the reason for this is that the high ratio's used cause the battery to reverse charge itself when the truck is "coasting".basicly the motor turns into a dynamo when free wheeling,this reverse currnet could have a prob with the resistors on the MSC.

Im sure there was a thread that explained why Tamiya had gone with the 302 ESC rather than the 101bk.

The other more probable worry would be the MSC jamming as mentioned,and resulting in your pride and joy running full tilt into something solid! ( a friend had this happen with his Celica Gr.b with its MSC and the result was a horrendous slo-mo of impending unstoppable horror!......then it skelped a wall!)

If you dont fancy the Tamiya ESC im sure someone could point out an alternative.(dont Futaba do the Tamiya 302 but call there own brand the 330? might be worth a look?)

[Live Steam Mad]

Nope. This has nothing to do with beign reminiscent but more with the USD $60 I would save by using an MSC rather than the manual-required-super-special-made-for-Tamiya-only ESC!

Still, is there any technical issue in the practical use of a regular Tamiya MSC on a High Lift truck?

Anybody in the know or should I just try it myself? You see I don't want to make any mods in the chassis before being sure it will work...

Cheers!

EB

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You do know what happens when the drive battery runs down (if you are not using a separate RX pack) when you have an MSC, right?

Sorry but I had to ask.

PS please don't think I am trying to be a smart a**, I just wondered about the logic of leaving an MSC in an expensive truck with a fragile body?

I could understand if it was someone putting an MSC into a shelf queen Scorcher or something, just for originality.

BTW watch out for those "cheap" ESC's, they have very poor brakes!

Regards,

A.G.

[mongoose1983]

You do know what happens when the drive battery runs down (if you are not using a separate RX pack) when you have an MSC, right?

Sorry but I had to ask.

PS please don't think I am trying to be a smart a**, I just wondered about the logic of leaving an MSC in an expensive truck with a fragile body?

Actually, I was reading your TEU-302BK ESC review last night. About my experience with MSC: I have had a runner Pumpkin with an MSC for more than 15 years and never had problems like them crushes you mention. The truck would go in circles when the batt runs down -it doens't respond to the Transmitter no more. But still, there was this five-or-sixty USD doubt I have. I also have a BlackFoot with an Associated ESC. I just don't see no better performance rather than the battery lasts longer. To be honest, if I had someone wanting to pay half the cost of the ESC I would take that and just go back to the MSC.

Still, I got an ESC for the Monster Beetle I been working on the last months. All that thing about programming and such. I hate it. Back in the day, it was all about mechanics, now the thing is half or more about electronics. Just like full size cars. there was a time you could fix and tune them in your own garage, now you need analyzers and stuff. What a world...

Anyway, OK. I think I'll go for the ESC you reviewed. I see me again asking for some tips on installing the darn ESC here in the forum by the time I get it -I hope you don't mind helping me again :-)

You have a nice week!

EB

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[WillyChang]

you don't have to buy Tamiya 302, there's always the Futaba MC330R or Novak XRS which should handle it just as well - might even run a 19t in there

what i'm wondering is... in a truck with the MFU fitted (which doesn't drive anything hotter than 540),

is there enough room to put an ESC as well - run it off CH2 with a Y-cable...

[mongoose1983]

you don't have to buy Tamiya 302, there's always the Futaba MC330R or Novak XRS which should handle it just as well - might even run a 19t in there

what i'm wondering is... in a truck with the MFU fitted (which doesn't drive anything hotter than 540),

is there enough room to put an ESC as well - run it off CH2 with a Y-cable...

Hiya Willy,

Well, the abovementioned review said the Tamiya 302 had much better brakes than the Futaba 330. It's cheaper too. So I think I'll go for the Tamiya.

BTW, I've just made a vid of the proccess of receiving-building-painting the High Lift. Two nights works in only a minute and a half! See it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsiS_R5Aisw

Godnight and Thanks to eveyone here!

EB

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[pikachoo75]

Hi Mongoose1983!

That was a great video! perhaps Tamiya should look into producing a kit that the parts "pop" together as in your vid,would make some of the fiddly stuff more fun!

Congrats on the end result it looks very ,very good!

[mongoose1983]

Congrats on the end result it looks very ,very good!

Thanks Pikachoo75!

So how you liked the scale wild boar by the truck? Ha ha ha...

Have a nice day!

EB

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[DudeWalker]

Nice Video.

Glad to hear your going with the ESC.