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I've decided to start upgrading my tl-01, so far ive only ordered a Teu-101bk ESC and was thinking of getting a new motor. Im no expert on how to match an ESC with a compatible motor but ive seen 2 that catch my eye. Im not looking for anything expensive as i just usually mess around with my car. Under 20 is my target but maybe 25 if it really is worth it.

The 2 that i've seen so far are:

Peak Racing - Griffin - SV2 20

and

Venom Racing - Fireball motor 15

Are these 2 motors fully compatible with TL-01's and Teu-101bk ESC's, are they good/worth the money, if not can someone please suggest another compatible motor in my price range please?

Thanks. B)

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Unfortinately the TEU-101BK is not the most powerful of Esc and will probably struggle to run either of those motors well as you will need to buy the lower power version in order to make sure you TEU-101Bk lasts.

Personnally I would look towards a Sport tuned (general use) or a Gt tuned motor (if you are on tarmac only) from ebay these motors are between 10 and 15 depending on where you get them from and will work very well with your car and Esc.

I would also buy a ball race set from somewhere like walawala (ebay) as this will reduce the drag on the drivetrain and increase both the performance/run time and component life cycles.

Best Wishes

Ryck

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Unfortinately the TEU-101BK is not the most powerful of Esc and will probably struggle to run either of those motors well as you will need to buy the lower power version in order to make sure you TEU-101Bk lasts.

Personnally I would look towards a Sport tuned (general use) or a Gt tuned motor (if you are on tarmac only) from ebay these motors are between 10 and 15 depending on where you get them from and will work very well with your car and Esc.

I would also buy a ball race set from somewhere like walawala (ebay) as this will reduce the drag on the drivetrain and increase both the performance/run time and component life cycles.

Best Wishes

Ryck

Thanks for replying,

If i were to choose to go with a GT tuner motor how would this effect the performance because i like to drift a lot so my main conern would be acceleration. Would i be better off buying another ESC in the first place then? And, you said that the ESC would struggle to run either of them motors, forgive me for being a little ineducated but what would be the problem with the ESC?

Thanks again and sorry for not knowing a lot about this subjet B)

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the ESC is only rated for stock type motors, doesbn't have the proper components for sayba 17 turn modified motor

And, STAY AWAY from venom motors. Junk is a kind description of them. If, yes IF it works out of the package they burn up very easy. And normally a motor lasts me for years as I take care of them.

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the ESC is only rated for stock type motors, doesbn't have the proper components for sayba 17 turn modified motor

And, STAY AWAY from venom motors. Junk is a kind description of them. If, yes IF it works out of the package they burn up very easy. And normally a motor lasts me for years as I take care of them.

So if i got a Gt tuned motor it would last long and give a moderate performance upgrade?

If yes is there any you suggest?

Thanks for replying. B)

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I find that the GT tuned motor is tamiyas best motor, the only issue with it being that it can be a little picky to its gear ratio, Once settled it will give better acceleration, higher top end and longer run times than the sport tuned as well as being good for at least 6 months of normal running.

I use on in my F103 Advan courage as well as my TB01 rally car that needs the sharp acceleration you are wanting.

Best Wishes

Ryck

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I find that the GT tuned motor is tamiyas best motor, the only issue with it being that it can be a little picky to its gear ratio, Once settled it will give better acceleration, higher top end and longer run times than the sport tuned as well as being good for at least 6 months of normal running.

I use on in my F103 Advan courage as well as my TB01 rally car that needs the sharp acceleration you are wanting.

Best Wishes

Ryck

Sorry one more thing,

Will this motor be ok? I've looked it up and seen reviews and apprently its really good and long lasting.

http://www.modelsport.co.uk/?CallFunction=...mp;ItemID=24589

Appreciate any info.

Thanks. B)

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Sorry one more thing,

Will this motor be ok? I've looked it up and seen reviews and apprently its really good and long lasting.

http://www.modelsport.co.uk/?CallFunction=...mp;ItemID=24589

Appreciate any info.

Thanks. B)

Nope, that motor, a 14 turn double, will burn up the TEU101BK quickly.

The TEU101BK is limited to 27 turn motor, can run motors as low as 21 turn IF properly geared and IF additional heat sink is added to the ESC. But nothing lower in number of turn.

If you're thinking of keeping the TEU101BK, an open endbell stock motor will be what you're shopping for. More torque and RPM than the silver-cans, and is pretty much within the 101BK's margin.

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Nope, that motor, a 14 turn double, will burn up the TEU101BK quickly.

The TEU101BK is limited to 27 turn motor, can run motors as low as 21 turn IF properly geared and IF additional heat sink is added to the ESC. But nothing lower in number of turn.

If you're thinking of keeping the TEU101BK, an open endbell stock motor will be what you're shopping for. More torque and RPM than the silver-cans, and is pretty much within the 101BK's margin.

If i didn't put the ESC on there would that motor work then?

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Hmm, this is so much harder to find a suitable motor than i though :D

I've looked at loooads of motors and these 3:

Peak Racing Panther modified

or a simple

Tamtech Sport tuned motor

or a

Yokomo Pro Stock 2

would do?

I've checked and they seem to be compatible.

If someone wouldn't mind explaining, what do the different "turn" numbers mean to the performance of the motors?

Thanks.

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If i didn't put the ESC on there would that motor work then?

If your car currently runs an MSC, the motor wil work just ok with the MSC in your car.. avoid prolonged part throttle driving -the MSC's resistor will crack from lack of cooling.

The MSC is good for drag racing, if proper measures are taken, do watch out for run-aways though.

But really, you ought to consider a better ESC than a TEU101bk.. Most of the budget ESC on the market nowadays (novak, venom, futaba, etc...) have a motor limit down to 15 turns or so.. while providing longer run times with the same motor/gearing/battery.

A futaba MC330CR can do as low as 11 turns, however it comes with higher price tag.

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If your car currently runs an MSC, the motor wil work just ok with the MSC in your car.. avoid prolonged part throttle driving -the MSC's resistor will crack from lack of cooling.

The MSC is good for drag racing, if proper measures are taken, do watch out for run-aways though.

But really, you ought to consider a better ESC than a TEU101bk.. Most of the budget ESC on the market nowadays (novak, venom, futaba, etc...) have a motor limit down to 15 turns or so.. while providing longer run times with the same motor/gearing/battery.

A futaba MC330CR can do as low as 11 turns, however it comes with higher price tag.

Wish i'd of read this before i ordered it =/ It's in the post now.

What im looking for is basically the motor with the best performance, mainly acceleration without having to change the gearing and if possible now having to put a heat sink on the ESC.

Will I notice the difference in performance with a normal tamiya sport tuned motor and the Teu-101bk ESC? I don't want to race it so its just for messing about with.

Thanks.

Sorry for asking loads of questions im just keen to find out info for myself so i will know in the future :D

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There's nothing wrong with the 101BK for bashing around. You just have to understand its limits, and stay within them.

You don't want a low-turn motor anyway. It's a common mistake to buy a "faster" motor and end up with a slower car. Low-turn motors don't really do anything for bashing besides bog down on acceleration and overheat ESCs; you can't really exploit the potential of a low-turn mod motor in something like a TL01. You won't believe it until you see it, but a 27t stock motor or the GT Tuned will give you a really serious boost in power. It will feel like a whole new car.

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Wish i'd of read this before i ordered it =/ It's in the post now.

What im looking for is basically the motor with the best performance, mainly acceleration without having to change the gearing and if possible now having to put a heat sink on the ESC.

Will I notice the difference in performance with a normal tamiya sport tuned motor and the Teu-101bk ESC? I don't want to race it so its just for messing about with.

Thanks.

Sorry for asking loads of questions im just keen to find out info for myself so i will know in the future :D

If you want a motor that's really cheap, and can be run with the TEU101BK reliably, look for a 550 size stock motor. It will fit the TL01 just fine with 26mm width tyre all around, but being that the 550 is longer than the 540, it has pretty much bigger magnet and longer armature for a lot more use-able torque.

I've run my 550 motor with the same gearing as a 540 motor, with a stock TEU101BK reliably. Very very gutsy bottom end even with 21T pinion. And it got a cute built in cooling fan as well :D

Worse come to worse, if you got it overheated, it'll shutdown to cool down, and will resume normal operation once cooled.

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If you want a motor that's really cheap, and can be run with the TEU101BK reliably, look for a 550 size stock motor. It will fit the TL01 just fine with 26mm width tyre all around, but being that the 550 is longer than the 540, it has pretty much bigger magnet and longer armature for a lot more use-able torque.

I've run my 550 motor with the same gearing as a 540 motor, with a stock TEU101BK reliably. Very very gutsy bottom end even with 21T pinion. And it got a cute built in cooling fan as well :D

Worse come to worse, if you got it overheated, it'll shutdown to cool down, and will resume normal operation once cooled.

haha I run a 19 t trinity pro modified in aTEU101bk and it has'nt yet failed on me ripping all the way thru 4 3300-4400 mah battery packs several times. I guess my old trinity isnt running as fast as it did new, or I have a special ESC....or I'll find out the hard way soon :D

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I run 2 of my cars with the Tamiya teu101 speedo.

My TT01 Escort has the tamiya GT tuned motor with speed tuned gearing, it's fast enough for bashing with suprisingly good acceleration considering it's geared for top end.

The other is a Sand Viper DT-02 with a Yokomo Pro Stock 27t, good acceleration but top end not so good.

Basically for what you want I'd go for the GT Tuned it's reliable & fast enough.

The speedo is fine for what you want, just don't take it racing!

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the sport tuned or GT tuned should be fine with the teu-101 and i bet you notice a huge improvement over the stock motor and mechanical speed control. buy yourself some bearings and enjoy. :D

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I am happy to report that i have since returned the tamiya ESC and bought LRP super reverse something or other (forgot the name) for 33 very pleased with it and it can handle down to a 16turn motor. So have to save up a bit more for a motor.

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handy thread for me to keep an eye on, as i got a tl-01 and at the minute everything on it is called a thingy ma bob lol

i know nothing about rc cars at all! got lots of reading and learning to do

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I run my TL01 with a Orion 23t, 19 pinion and a Dynamite Tazer 15 ESC. It has plenty of low end torque, decent acceleration and a respectable top speed. I mainly use it for drifting and its just as enjoyable to run as my 2 TT01's with Orion 21t R's, both have LRP limitless ESC's. I have experimented with motors as hot as 10t and all the way up to 27t, but I found the Orion 21t motors to run best for drifting and last a good bit of time on a 2400 or 3300 pack. The gearing I use on them both is 23t pinion 55t spur.

Bigger motors are not the answer, Ive found with alot of experimenting a higher turn motor with a goo balance of RPM and torque will be better all around for drifting & bashing. I swear by Orion motors, they are priced right and excellent quality.

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Hmm new problem has arose, not really a problem but anyway. Since i put the ESC in, the car seems to have a lot of top end speed but less acceleration, excuse my rubbish knowledge of rc cars but how do you go about changing the gearing to give it more acceleration?

Any help will be appreciated.

Merci. :)

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If you put a faster motor in, you will need to put a smaller pinion gear on it. Generally the quicker the motor the less torque, so to compensate you need to lower the gearing. I'm not sure what pinions' will fit on the tl-01 as I've never had one, but your manual will tell what what will be suitable. Beware you will lose top end so you need to decide what's more important & get the balance right for what you want.

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If you put a faster motor in, you will need to put a smaller pinion gear on it. Generally the quicker the motor the less torque, so to compensate you need to lower the gearing. I'm not sure what pinions' will fit on the tl-01 as I've never had one, but your manual will tell what what will be suitable. Beware you will lose top end so you need to decide what's more important & get the balance right for what you want.

How do you lower the gearing though? That's the problem =/

Thanks for replying.

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