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also just looking at the pictures again. on the front swing arms i can not see any grub screws at the front to hold them onto the axles. this will seperate originals from new. so how are they holding them on?

Maybe the grub screw is on the underside of the arms? And if that's not the case, my gamble is that the suspension rod will have a hole in the end so you can screw in a hex screw which retains the arm... B)

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As I stated erlier, the screw are ontop of the swayarm if you look closely, probably on the underside on the lower swayarm.

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Hope for no Chrome Buggy Champ!!!

Badboy

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well there you go; guess the blaster jr's will continue to remain a sought after item

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Very nice an all that, but that's the end of me collecting vintage cars.

Bad enough when the Re-Re Frog came out, now this. All that wasted time, effort and money. Might as well stick the whole lot in the bin. Better that than sit here looking at collection that reminds me of my mistake getting in to this in the first place. All that money, all that time, all that effort, just blown away with every re-release. Sweet, really sweet.

Thanks a lot Tamiya. Dump on the dedicated vintage collectors. Cheers.

Sorry if that sounds bitter and twisted, but that is exactly how I feel right now. Gutted.

Sounds to me you where collecting these for totally the wrong reasons ! Are you not just happy to own these or even use them. If you want to make money this is not the hobby for it.

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We all know Asia is good in copying cars.

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I took it you didn't say that respectfully.

Please don't let your bitterness spill over to make this kind of generalized statement.

Germans didn't invent the wheels either.

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I took it you didn't say that respectfully.

Please don't let your bitterness spill over to make this kind of generalized statement.

Germans didn't invent the wheels either.

No but they did invent the car ;)

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No but they did invent the car ;)

Karl Benz (German) was the first person to invent a car powered by gasoline, but a quick google ---> apparantely the first car was invented in China (Asia)........ Well I didn't know that.

"Ferdinand Verbiest invented the first car in the year 1672. It was the first ever car invented and was powered by steam. Ferdinand was an experimentalist and a missionary to China. He built his car in China. Hence you could rightly say, the first ever car was made in China."

Anyway shall we get back on to the main topic of the thread..........

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is there any news on a release date yet. will it be released to the entire world from the start or will japan get a release and then it will filter out to the rest of us. as its re re will there be any released with metallic bodys do you think or will it remain the original white. i think a chrome one would look good like what they did with the monster beetle. what are your thoughts

Hirotaka [taken over Masa's position] @RC Champ has said release date is around July. They have not decided price for this kit, but it's expected price around 20000Yen [210usd].

RC Champ is taking pre-orders right now and will notify you once they are ready to ship.

As you know, with RC CHamp, there is no obligation to complete the purchase with the pre-orders.

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If you are going to let something like this rock you to the soul of your passion, collecting vintage R/C, then maybe it wasn't really your passion? How was it a mistake? Were you going to sell them all trying to make a fortune from Vintage kits or did you buy them because you loved them? You still have vintage SRB's don't you, this re-re hasn't change that.

Chin up acorn, in a few months you will be over it and you will still have your vintage collection ;)

May I presume you have not spent thousands on your collection? Well I have, and I did that to buy the cars I could never afford in my youth. I sacrificed a lot to do so now, and you suggest its not a passion? Now I find out I could have waited and spent peanuts. If you cant see how that is disappointing, I don't know how to explain it further.

Besides all that, you miss the point. Had people not faithfully collected these cars, the ReRe's may well have never happened. We proved the market for Tamiya, now they devalue it. That's insulting. Not only that, those who cant afford it are now getting almost the exact same thing off the back of the investment serious collectors have made. Having some one in that situation begrudging my annoyance is even worse than Tamiya devaluing my collection.

Its is not that the collection is devalued as such, its that I spent a fortune that was ultimately not necessary, and that Tamiya has dumped on the very people who made the ReRe's viable.

That's logical and reasonable, and despite what I said, not bitter and twisted.

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;) I was looking at Rough Rider/Sand Scorcher clips on youtube when I typed in Buggy Champ 2009 and discovered a promo clip directly from Shizuoka! About a minute and a half long with supper-happy-fun Japanese pop music! I don't believe it was posted yet, so check it out, everybody! I would place a link here, but do not know how to. Just type in what I did above and you will find it. There has only been a handful of views.

Mark D.

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Its is not that the collection is devalued as such, its that I spent a fortune that was ultimately not necessary, and that Tamiya has dumped on the very people who made the ReRe's viable.

In my opinion people were spending too much on SRB parts, particularly the SS body parts.

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Here ya go!

Hope it's not been posted yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDilahg3pI

Was going to post this in the other thread but got carried away, sorry.

It looks like it turns better! Got diff?

If I was there, I would act houl like I was at a Motley Crue concert or something!!! ;)

Badboy

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Check the last post on pg. 13 ;)

I didn't have the link, though, so thanks for the easy access!

Mark D.

Yes, it was your post that made me look, thanks.

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My impression from how it behaved especialy on the ramp was that it doesn't have a diff.

Hmm, we will have to wait and see! ;)

It looks like it turns better! Got diff?

If I was there, I would act houl like I was at a Motley Crue concert or something!!! :P

Badboy

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In my opinion people were spending too much on SRB parts, particularly the SS body parts.

Agree!

People shouldn't blame on Tamiya or other people but themselves.

Tamiya is still in business and the re-issue of XR311 and the recent re-issue trend started from the Hornet, Frog, Grasshopper tells us that any kit could be the next re-issue.

People should take this into consideration when they decide how much they are willing to pay and how many vintage kits or parts they should keep.

I once have 1 new partially built Scorcher, Rough Rider and Ford Ranger, 1 NIB Super Champ, 1 new built SS, RR and many NIB body sets. But I sold them all because I couldn't afford them if Tamiya make re-issue.

Then a bought back a almost new MK1 Sand Scorcher, a RR and a Super Champ which I know I won't feel bad even if Tamiya make re-issue.

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Is it my imagination, or does one of the commentators say "Sand Scorcher" at about the 34s mark ? ;)

I'm totaly with you here!!! It really sounds like Sand Scorcher!!!

Of course it can be something like "this chassie was used for the Rough Rider, Sand Scorcher etc... "

As I don't speak japanees I really don't have a clue :P:lol::lol:

Badboy

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Agree!

People shouldn't blame on Tamiya or other people but themselves.

Tamiya is still in business and the re-issue of XR311 and the recent re-issue trend started from the Hornet, Frog, Grasshopper tells us that any kit could be the next re-issue.

People should take this into consideration when they decide how much they are willing to pay and how many vintage kits or parts they should keep.

I once have 1 new partially built Scorcher, Rough Rider and Ford Ranger, 1 NIB Super Champ, 1 new built SS, RR and many NIB body sets. But I sold them all because I couldn't afford them if Tamiya make re-issue.

Then a bought back a almost new MK1 Sand Scorcher, a RR and a Super Champ which I know I won't feel bad even if Tamiya make re-issue.

Very well put. I cannot see how Tamiya is to blame for the seemingly overvalued SRB up until today. It is the collectors and big spenders that inflated the prices despite there being a fairly large amount of spares on ebay all the time.

I find it funny that there was no real backlash with all the other reres. Once the big ticket items get rered Tamiya is the bad guy.

I spent lots time hunting down SRBs to restore a few years back, but I never went over my comfortable budget. If you take your time very good deals are out there!

I am curious if the people angry with Tamiya actually run their cars?

I don't think Tamiya is rereing their kits so they can go into collectors hands and sit on a shelf. They are kits that are ment to be used.

How cool would it be to have a meet later in the year with nothing but runner SRBs invading the beaches! ;)

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In the full-size retro car scene here in the UK (and probably the rest of Europe) there is a term called 'Scene Tax'. This is the amount of extra money people have to be prepared to pay to own some of the more popular cars ('Splittie' VW vans/buses, old Beetles, Mk1 Golfs, and now Mk1 and Mk2 Ford Escorts too). In the case of a Splittie VW bus for instance, it means that even something that is made of more rust and holes than metal is worth a serious amount of money. It has meant that a lot of people have been priced out of the market of owning these vehicles (and so cannot be part of the 'scene' surrounding them, hence the term 'scene tax'). In the VW scene it started with the 60s Beetles and Splittie buses, which became so expensive to buy that people who couldn't afford them looked at other cars, driving up the prices of Golfs, and so on.

I have been a member of TC for a long time, and 'scene tax' applies just as much to the retro RC enthusiasts scene. For Tamiya collectorts it began mostly with the 3 speeds, but the SRBs soon joined them (primarily focused on the Scorcher, which may partially be related to it's popularity within the full-size VW Beetle scene), but the parallel with how things have developed in the full size retro car scene is obvious. The key difference is that it's far easier for a model manufacturer to put an old model back into production than it is for a car manufacturer. As a lot of people have said already, Tamiya's re-release program should have been a warning sign for people buying as an 'investment' or those prepared to pay a lot of money to have a particular model that things might not stay as they were (though the 3-speed collectors got off relatively lightly with the 'new' Hilux as only the worth of the original bodies was affected).

Personally, I am looking forward to the re-release of the Rough Rider, as it will be the first time in my life that I'll be able to afford one - I used to look wistfully at them in Beattie's window in the early 80s, knowing my mum and dad couldn't afford to buy me one (it took selling all my toys and Dinky and Corgi cars I'd inherited from my siblings to help pay for a Big Bear). The nearest I came at the time was a set of RR wheels and tyres for my 2nd-hand Sand Rover, and that cost all my birthday money one year!

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My impression from how it behaved especialy on the ramp was that it doesn't have a diff.

Hmm, we will have to wait and see! ;)

I have to agree, look at how easily it pulls a wheelie on the ramp, I would say no diff.

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