Avante Vs Egress

[The Hornet]

I used to have the Egress and did not like, it had too much oversteer and it seemed to lack some suspension travel(i mainly used it as a runner)

Now i have the chance to get my hands on a pretty mint Avante,will it have the same driving characteristics as the egress?

Anybody ever done a comparison between the two?

[WillyChang]

suspension will be the same

oversteer may be WORSE on Avante as it has equal tyres all round & short wheelbase

unless you were driving it with heavy braking then the Egress may have been doing hand-brakies as its got a central oneway drive

[94eg!]

I used to have the Egress and did not like, it had too much oversteer and it seemed to lack some suspension travel(i mainly used it as a runner)

Now i have the chance to get my hands on a pretty mint Avante,will it have the same driving characteristics as the egress?

Anybody ever done a comparison between the two?

Did your Egress have the center one-way installed in it? This will cause oversteer. If you installed the locked center diff, it would not drive like that. I currently run a Vanquish with tripple ball-diffs and love the way it handles. These cars have many option parts to tune the way it handles. I highly recommend you get the Avante and play around with it. Fitting narrow front tires or adding the locked center diff and/or front ball-diff will certainly help with any oversteer issues. Avante does have a much shorter wheelbase though, so it will always be different than the Egress/Vanquish/2001...

[WillyChang]

i like oneway, its handy to be able to flick the tail with the brakes if your motor hasn't got enough grunt to powerslide

Egress handling can also be adversely affected by badly tuned diffs.

With longer wheelbase & narrower front tyres, it handles sweet.

[The Hornet]

I remember that it did have huge amount of oversteer with a center one-way!

But with the locked center diff it was like a wild panther around the track like a savage beast that chewed my friend backyard lawn.

94eg!-What are the advantages of triple-diffs? will it handle more like a center one-way or locked diff?

[94eg!]

I remember that it did have huge amount of oversteer with a center one-way!

But with the locked center diff it was like a wild panther around the track like a savage beast that chewed my friend backyard lawn.

94eg!-What are the advantages of triple-diffs? will it handle more like a center one-way or locked diff?

Well it's pretty much right in the middle. I believe it would have a little more steering than the locked center, but without the off-throttle snap oversteer of the one-way. Personally I've only driven my Vanquish on a track with the following setups (never raced it though):

- Planetary diffs w/ center ball diff (kit standard) - pretty snappy but lacking punch/grip

- Front & rear ball diffs w/ center ball diff- more tame but pleanty of punch

Switching to tripple ball diffs certainly slowed the steering down and removed the loose wild feel of the car, but it also puts much more power down and holds speed better in a turn. I have the rear ball diff set with zero shims (loosest setting) and the front with two shims (one on each side). Even with no shims these ball diffs are pretty tight. As for the center diff, it's not really adjustable. I suppose you could shim it tighter, but I have it built per instructions. It is nice to think I could easily get more or less steering by swapping in the one-way or locked center diff...

It would be really interesting to convert the center diff into a sort of dual slipper similar to the DB01 hopup. I don't think it would have to modified very much to work...

[The Hornet]

Thank you very much for the detailed reply 94eg!

Just one more question...

The re-re hotshot is also high on my list but because of budget constraints i can only buy one car.

The buggy will be run in very rocky terrain with lots of uphills

Do you gentlemen think that is type of terrain is more suited for the hotshot?

I get the feeling that the hotshot is built more like a tank with lots of suspension travel

for real off-roading when compared to the avante,is it a false impression?

(the avante will come with lots of spare parts)

[94eg!]

I get the feeling that the hotshot is built more like a tank with lots of suspension travel

for real off-roading when compared to the avante,is it a false impression?

(the avante will come with lots of spare parts)

Yes that's a false impression. The Hotshot is mediocre by comparison. While the Avante series lacks a bit of suspension travel in the front, it is lightyears ahead of the Hotshot.

The Avante spares to look out for are the front Gearbox halves and the front & rear uprights. You can find aftermarket alloy upgrade uprights for a decent price on eBay, but the front gearbox halves are very expensive. Just make sure the shock-tower mounts are in good shape...

[HunterZero]

The re-re hotshot is also high on my list but because of budget constraints i can only buy one car.

The buggy will be run in very rocky terrain with lots of uphills

Do you gentlemen think that is type of terrain is more suited for the hotshot?

In a word, no.

Rocky terrain won't suit either of these cars.

Hot Shot tends to bottom out very easily in monoshock mode, especially at the front. You'll need the quad shock HP suspension upgrade and preferably the underguard from the Super Shot or the underside will get battered on rocky terrain. Rocks tend to catch on the lower suspension arms and scrape/chip them, which can weaken and break them, and the front monoshock cantilevers will break with constant hard knocks.

The Avante/Egress have limited suspension travel and are more suited to run on smoother groomed track surfaces. They will bottom out and 'slap' the chassis when landing jumps. Plus parts for the Avante and Egress are rare and can be very expensive, so if you can only afford one car, and only have rough terrain to run it on, then I'd rethink running an Avante. They're just too rare and valuable.

Have you considered a Fire Dragon/Thundershot? Or a Manta Ray/Dirt Thrasher/Blazing Star? These are a good car over rough terrain. Not as glamorous as the Avante or retro cool as the Hot Shot though.

Here's another random thought - The Avante in good condition is quite a valuable car to a collector. If you get the Avante for a good price, sell it here or on eBay. You might be able to fund two or three cars with the amount you get for it.

I get the feeling that the hotshot is built more like a tank with lots of suspension travel

for real off-roading when compared to the avante,is it a false impression?

False impression. With the monoshocks, the Hot Shot suspension travel is rather limited if you compress both wheels together. It's also very susceptible to wear, since it has a lot of complex linkages. And on rough rocky terrain, the suspension will take a battering.

(the avante will come with lots of spare parts)

As said above, there are certain key parts that break a lot, including the hub carriers, and front gearbox. You may find the 'spares' are leftover other parts from sprues purchased to replace these parts.

- James

[BruiserBrew]

I'm not sure the question is a revelent one!

A mint Avante should sit on the shelf.

But I agree with what others have said. Good luck!

[mechinyun]

Hornet, how familiar are you with the avante? I have a mint one and I would not dare use it as a runner car. 1. Personally, its just to pretty to get banged up and 2. parts are rare and extremely expensive.

Again i don't know your situation or knowledge of the car but if running old classic cars is your thing, I would use a classic Tamiya Re-Re over the an original and non reproduced avante. Maybe the thunder shot?

If you do use the avante take some vids! Not enough vids of the avante tearing it up.

[Lemming]

If you do use the avante take some vids! Not enough vids of the avante tearing it up.

Second that!

Will have to take the camcorder out next time I run mine

Steve

[The Hornet]

So it always comes down to the heart vs the mind

The thundershot is discontinued

The firedragon is too ugly(but maybe the best basher setup)

Mmmm after reading all of your replies maybe a re-re hotshot with the HP upgrade maybe be the wisest choice...(vinatge and good handling)

[Singapore_959]

A DS is what you reeeally want!

It can beat an Egress as has been demonstrated on muratti's track and it can have HUGE ground clearance if desired using the highest of the std settings. Plus the full cover flat bottom makes sliding over anything bad painless, the glassfibre is mega tough.

GO ON!!!!

[kaiser]

rocky terrain? df01 all the way, tons of ground clearance.

[94eg!]

AVANTE

There is nothing else like it...

[The Hornet]

Hornet, how familiar are you with the avante? I have a mint one and I would not dare use it as a runner car. 1. Personally, its just to pretty to get banged up and 2. parts are rare and extremely expensive.

Again i don't know your situation or knowledge of the car but if running old classic cars is your thing, I would use a classic Tamiya Re-Re over the an original and non reproduced avante. Maybe the thunder shot?

If you do use the avante take some vids! Not enough vids of the avante tearing it up.

I built my friends avante back in 1988 and helped him troubleshooted, other then that as i said before, i owned an Egress for a long time.

The weak points that i noticed with my Egress

-The front hub carrier were quite fragile.

-The rear dogbones would frequently fall.

[MrUnlimited]

AVANTE

There is nothing else like it...

Now that is example of fine arts! I wish they rereleased it in 1/10 or 1/16

[94eg!]

AVANTE

[djmcnz]

rocky terrain? df01 all the way, tons of ground clearance.

+1

Get a Top Force re-re (if you can find one) and Hop-Up from there (see: http://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=31350).

If you can't find a Top Force try for a Manta Ray or Dirt Thrasher and go wild!