Dyna Storm Build

[GTodd]

Hello everyone, the build of the Dyna Storm begins, this car rivals the Avante for how long I have waited to get one. But unlike the Avante, this car will be used, abused, and enjoyed. The build isn't going to follow the manual step by step because I have ordered a Nimrod chassis, FR and RR suspension arms, under tray, body and rear wing. I started with the gorgeous blue shocks because I have wanted to see and touch them for sooooooo long. So with out further delay.

Before, look at the beautiful blister pack

Components of the shocks gathered.

The finished shocks in all of their Blue glory (first of the signature TRF color?)

[TenzoR]

I started with the gorgeous blue shocks because I have wanted to see and touch them for sooooooo long.

Some how that just sounds kinda wrong

[Origineelreclamebord]

Some how that just sounds kinda wrong

True, but in the eyes of many people, our hobby is kinda wrong anyways

@Todd: I'm glad you started building yours, you really won't regret it, it's a great car! I found it the most fun build I've had so far, actually! I can recommend you to use liquid threadlock on the press nuts of the rear suspension and front suspension blocks. The screws can loosen a little sometimes, causing play, wear at the point where the press nuts are pressed into and cause damage to these parts - which are the hardest to find parts of the Dyna Storm.

[GTodd]

True, but in the eyes of many people, our hobby is kinda wrong anyways

@Todd: I'm glad you started building yours, you really won't regret it, it's a great car! I found it the most fun build I've had so far, actually! I can recommend you to use liquid threadlock on the press nuts of the rear suspension and front suspension blocks. The screws can loosen a little sometimes, causing play, wear at the point where the press nuts are pressed into and cause damage to these parts - which are the hardest to find parts of the Dyna Storm.

Thanks for the tip, but Im already on it. The same fasteners were used on the Astute, and I can recall many many years ago being very very frustrated when all four made their way loose and the front bulkhead of my Astute coming free on her maiden run!!!!

[Singapore_959]

ENJOY!

Great to see. It's alot of fun to build!

As ORB says, threadloc is your friend on the nuts holding the front and rear D parts down. Best tip is to use longer screws on the rear D parts and put a second normal nyloc bolt ontop of the existing bolt. Again with threadloc.

Enjoy it!

[Origineelreclamebord]

ENJOY!

Great to see. It's alot of fun to build!

As ORB says, threadloc is your friend on the nuts holding the front and rear D parts down. Best tip is to use longer screws on the rear D parts and put a second normal nyloc bolt ontop of the existing bolt. Again with threadloc.

Enjoy it!

Nice one Or to use the Nimrod parts of course

A little off-topic by the way, but I received my order with the front suspension block, front bumper/front suspension block mount and undercowl today! A little viling on the suspension block, shorter screws and different threads here and there and it's done. I like it The front end is noticably stiffer, and the problem with press nuts is solved for once and for all!

[30cms]

jealous!!!

i need one of them

[Singapore_959]

jealous!!!

i need one of them

If you just want to start with the shocks, I have a full set used for sale.

Almost as new. PM me if anyone wants. -sorry for the thread diversion!-

[94eg!]

Great build. The MDC is probably the coolest thing on an RC car. Sure it's heavy and over engineered, but that's one of things we love about Tamiya.

The shocks are great. Aside from the lower seal cartridge falling out, there is only one other issue to be mentioned. You will notice that those large 10mm o-rings at the top will start to crack and eventually tear after a year or two. This also applies for the 5th one that seals the little pop-off cap on the MDC. This is pretty normal. I've replaced a few so far and it just keeps happening again (even if you oil them). Of course the Tamiya replacment is sold in sets of two for the rediculous price of around $5. I recently found HPI makes an identical 10x2mm rubber o-ring and it's sold in packs for 10 for around $4.30 shipped on ebay. The part number is 75078. When searching try HPI 75078 or HPI75078. I've got some in the mail right now and am looking forward to giving them a try.

I'll whore out my DS one more time to keep the fire burning in this thread:

[GTodd]

Great build. The MDC is probably the coolest thing on an RC car. Sure it's heavy and over engineered, but that's one of things we love about Tamiya.

The shocks are great. Aside from the lower seal cartridge falling out, there is only one other issue to be mentioned. You will notice that those large 10mm o-rings at the top will start to crack and eventually tear after a year or two. This also applies for the 5th one that seals the little pop-off cap on the MDC. This is pretty normal. I've replaced a few so far and it just keeps happening again (even if you oil them). Of course the Tamiya replacment is sold in sets of two for the rediculous price of around $5. I recently found HPI makes an identical 10x2mm rubber o-ring and it's sold in packs for 10 for around $4.30 shipped on ebay. The part number is 75078. When searching try HPI 75078 or HPI75078. I've got some in the mail right now and am looking forward to giving them a try.

I'll whore out my DS one more time to keep the fire burning in this thread:

Well stuck waiting for my nimrod parts (959) did you get my messages? Anyway, was the DS a TRF car? And what is this graphite chassis kit from Tamiya I keep hearing about? Pics anyone?

[94eg!]

Well stuck waiting for my nimrod parts (959) did you get my messages? Anyway, was the DS a TRF car? And what is this graphite chassis kit from Tamiya I keep hearing about? Pics anyone?

The Graphite components were just option parts for the DS. They were not advertised anywhere except the back of the original 58116 DS manual. They sold the lower, upper and rear-upper decks. Tamiya USA still has the two upper decks in stock. I have only seen the lower deck for sale one time ever. It was on eBay about 2 years ago and it sold about $100. I still wish I would have bought it...

The DS was not a TRF car. It was a production version of a non-production TRF car though (TRF211X). The 211X was a real race car and shares very very few parts with the DS. Almost everything was slightly different.

Here is some translated TRF211X info comparing it to the DS (don't miss the 2nd page):

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...en%26safe%3Doff

[kontemax]

I never seen the body of the TRF 211X. Was it sold without it?

Max

[GTodd]

I never seen the body of the TRF 211X. Was it sold without it?

Max

Off to work tonight the trans!!!!!!!!

[94eg!]

Off to work tonight the trans!!!!!!!!

It is ideal to sand the diff rings w/ some fine grit (600 or more) sand paper and some light oil (clean thoroughly afterward). This will take down all the high spots on the diff rings and make the diff much smoother. Of course it isn't absolutely necessary...

Be sure that your diff is set tighter than your slipper. You slipper shaft should spin when holding one wheel AND the spur gear steady while turning the other wheel by hand. If the slipper shaft does not turn, then it's your diff that's slipping...

BTW: After a break-in run or two, you will need to re tighten your ball diff. The balls will wear a slight groove into the diff plates, and this causes it to loosen slightly.

I never seen the body of the TRF 211X. Was it sold without it?

Max

It looks like a Dyna Storm body without an undertray. Just kinda hangs over the sides. The 211X was never for sale, nor was it's parts. If you serch the forums, you will find some old magazine articles about it. There are some on here that know a lot more about it than me...

[Singapore_959]

I'll whore out my DS one more time to keep the fire burning in this thread:

That is just a super photo.

PM already replied to GTodd, and I emailed nimrod for you also.

[GTodd]

That is just a super photo.

PM already replied to GTodd, and I emailed nimrod for you also.

Well a loooooooooooong day at work means no update, sorry, but the weekend is here so I'lll get more done. But still no word from NIMROD!!!!

[terry.sc]

I never seen the body of the TRF 211X. Was it sold without it?

Max

There was never an official TRF211X shell and the car itself was never available for sale.

Bodies used were the obvious ones, Madcap, Astute and Dynastorm, depending on the drivers preference and what was available at the time.

[kontemax]

Ok, thanks.

Max

[GTodd]

Well I have been in touch with Nimrod, will order their parts once I get a price on their chassis. If the chassis is not more than fibrelytes than I will get it, if not I will get the fibrelytes chassis and Nimrod suspension pieces and associated body parts. As for now I am very impatient, and the DS was just calling to me to build her, soooo Im going to build her sans c clips for the suspension hinges and loctite, once the replacement parts arive I will disassemble and assemble with the upgraded parts (and pics of course!!!) but for now here she is being built into a shelfer: Sorry if it gets obnoxious but the blue shocks are in EVERY pic, love 'em. Was the use of the Blue color on them the first use of the TRF signature color? 56k beware Here are the associated sub - assemblies grouped together, than assembled, and than assembled onto the chassis (for now).

Here she is with her older brothers looking on, I hope they approve!!!!

This is the beast that will power the DS

oops sorry that was meant for FB (me in Iraq)

Here is the moto!!!!!!!!

[Origineelreclamebord]

Well I have been in touch with Nimrod, will order their parts once I get a price on their chassis. If the chassis is not more than fibrelytes than I will get it, if not I will get the fibrelytes chassis and Nimrod suspension pieces and associated body parts. As for now I am very impatient, and the DS was just calling to me to build her, soooo Im going to build her sans c clips for the suspension hinges and loctite, once the replacement parts arive I will disassemble and assemble with the upgraded parts (and pics of course!!!) but for now here she is being built into a shelfer: Sorry if it gets obnoxious but the blue shocks are in EVERY pic, love 'em. Was the use of the Blue color on them the first use of the TRF signature color? 56k beware Here are the associated sub - assemblies grouped together, than assembled, and than assembled onto the chassis (for now).

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/index.php?...amp;qpid=350432

Tamiyaclub.com Forums -> Replying in Dyna Storm Build

Here she is with her older brothers looking on, I hope they approve!!!!

This is the beast that will power the DS

oops sorry that was meant for FB (me in Iraq)

Here is the moto!!!!!!!!

Hi GTodd, I also asked them recently about the prices of their parts that are not in their webshop, Nimrod listed the following in their reply:

- Lower Chassis Plate: 90 euros

- Upper Deck (The long curved one that fits the lower plate): 65 euros

- Front Shock Tower: 35 euros

- Rear Shock Tower (With lower suspension mount/resin D part): 55 euros.

So according to that information, the Fibrelyte parts would be cheaper - but remember those are just carbon parts made according to the shape that Tamiya made them - the Nimrod parts are improved parts

[Singapore_959]

Hi GTodd, I also asked them recently about the prices of their parts that are not in their webshop, Nimrod listed the following in their reply:

- Lower Chassis Plate: 90 euros

- Upper Deck (The long curved one that fits the lower plate): 65 euros

- Front Shock Tower: 35 euros

- Rear Shock Tower (With lower suspension mount/resin D part): 55 euros.

So according to that information, the Fibrelyte parts would be cheaper - but remember those are just carbon parts made according to the shape that Tamiya made them - the Nimrod parts are improved parts

GTTod - so nimrod did get in contact with you; I spoke with them on Saturday and they said they had replied to your email. Glad to hear it.

I will have word with them about the prices quoted above. I am not convinced they are correct, when I was still in europe and visiting them weekly part of the goal was to provide replacement and upgraded parts at reasonable prices, some of the above looks wrong to me. I will have a chat with them.

Please bear in mind however that I am not part of nimrod and my discussions can only serve as suggestions to them.

Next point is a bit difficult, and I am sure some people will want to disagree, but in the interests of the community I am going to post this up here. I already mentioned this once in the kyosho section and got shot at there, but it happened to me and it was alot of money wasted. I would not want the same thing to happen to another person.

Before finding nimrod I did exactly what others have done or wanted to do. I found the original source of the 211 parts. Fibrelyte had the plans and had been selling the parts to order. I was excited and despite the prices I knew I wanted everything. Like others I wanted to make my DS the best it could be. I even specified a special order gearbox plate out of carbon with my own modifications to fit the long screws in the other way with countersunk holes pre made into the plate.

The parts duely arrived and I was SO thrilled and happy. The looked lovely and the packing was nice and I kept them out for weeks looking at them. I didn't want to build up my ultimate DS untill I had everything together, then I envisaged a great weekend sitting down and building it. I did notice however that the custom gearbox plate I ordered was wrong. The countersunks were in the wrong place. I contacted fibrelyte and they were very good about it and made another one and let me keep the faulty one.

Many months later I finally got around to fitting up the parts and then I found that the holes on the top deck and the bottom deck did not line up true. I was puzzled and went back on TC and had a look at all the showrooms with DS fibrelyte chassis and noticed comments that some filing and fiddling was needed to get the parts to fit perfectly. Well, I was disappointed. I did not want to have to ovalise screw holes to get parts to fit. However since it was now about a year later I also didn't feel it was fair to contact fibrelyte and ask for another change of parts or refund after I had the prior problems with the gearbox plate. To me the parts were not useable as ovalising screwholes and filing edges to get parts to fit was not part of the experience I wanted. Would I buy them again, no. But I may have been unlucky and a machinist had a poor day. Subsquently I found r-design / nimrod and showed them the parts and explained what I wanted. The first thing they did was over lay the parts on original parts and show me the differences. None of the parts matched up holes perfectly with the original Tamiya parts. Now why didn't I think of doing that when I first received the parts, even just for fun? It would have given me and fibrelyte immediate opportunity to rectify the problem. I then learnt that there are difference levels of accuracy tolerances in engineering. This was all new to me and fascinating. It's cool stuff.

So, I am rambling a bit but I am giving all the information so as not to get shot for saying the parts I got were not fit for use as expected. If I had contacted fibrelyte they may have been good about it and swapped them but being a year later I didn't feel I was in position to suddenly appear and complain again, so I didn't. I do think the above nimrod prices for the lower and upper deck - IF we are talking about the flat piece of carbon - are too high. If it is the composite space base deck then that's a different matter. I will talk to nimrod to have that clarified. My experience of fibrelyte may be unique but I wouldn't want some else to spend on it if the out come may be same. The flat carbon top and bottom decks I have used from nimrod have lined up and were cut on a laser aligned machine. Their plastic composit parts are different and I have always run feedback on those with them to make sure they know if something is out.

GTodd - your photos look great and it's cool to someone enjoying their dyna so much!

Shock towers would not be first on my list of upgrades. The chassis would (flat carbon evo is the best value for money upgrade in my mind). Followed by the trf 501x buggy dampers and decent tires.

HTH

[Origineelreclamebord]

GTTod - so nimrod did get in contact with you; I spoke with them on Saturday and they said they had replied to your email. Glad to hear it.

I will have word with them about the prices quoted above. I am not convinced they are correct, when I was still in europe and visiting them weekly part of the goal was to provide replacement and upgraded parts at reasonable prices, some of the above looks wrong to me. I will have a chat with them.

Please bear in mind however that I am not part of nimrod and my discussions can only serve as suggestions to them.

Next point is a bit difficult, and I am sure some people will want to disagree, but in the interests of the community I am going to post this up here. I already mentioned this once in the kyosho section and got shot at there, but it happened to me and it was alot of money wasted. I would not want the same thing to happen to another person.

Before finding nimrod I did exactly what others have done or wanted to do. I found the original source of the 211 parts. Fibrelyte had the plans and had been selling the parts to order. I was excited and despite the prices I knew I wanted everything. Like others I wanted to make my DS the best it could be. I even specified a special order gearbox plate out of carbon with my own modifications to fit the long screws in the other way with countersunk holes pre made into the plate.

The parts duely arrived and I was SO thrilled and happy. The looked lovely and the packing was nice and I kept them out for weeks looking at them. I didn't want to build up my ultimate DS untill I had everything together, then I envisaged a great weekend sitting down and building it. I did notice however that the custom gearbox plate I ordered was wrong. The countersunks were in the wrong place. I contacted fibrelyte and they were very good about it and made another one and let me keep the faulty one.

Many months later I finally got around to fitting up the parts and then I found that the holes on the top deck and the bottom deck did not line up true. I was puzzled and went back on TC and had a look at all the showrooms with DS fibrelyte chassis and noticed comments that some filing and fiddling was needed to get the parts to fit perfectly. Well, I was disappointed. I did not want to have to ovalise screw holes to get parts to fit. However since it was now about a year later I also didn't feel it was fair to contact fibrelyte and ask for another change of parts or refund after I had the prior problems with the gearbox plate. To me the parts were not useable as ovalising screwholes and filing edges to get parts to fit was not part of the experience I wanted. Would I buy them again, no. But I may have been unlucky and a machinist had a poor day. Subsquently I found r-design / nimrod and showed them the parts and explained what I wanted. The first thing they did was over lay the parts on original parts and show me the differences. None of the parts matched up holes perfectly with the original Tamiya parts. Now why didn't I think of doing that when I first received the parts, even just for fun? It would have given me and fibrelyte immediate opportunity to rectify the problem. I then learnt that there are difference levels of accuracy tolerances in engineering. This was all new to me and fascinating. It's cool stuff.

So, I am rambling a bit but I am giving all the information so as not to get shot for saying the parts I got were not fit for use as expected. If I had contacted fibrelyte they may have been good about it and swapped them but being a year later I didn't feel I was in position to suddenly appear and complain again, so I didn't. I do think the above nimrod prices for the lower and upper deck - IF we are talking about the flat piece of carbon - are too high. If it is the composite space base deck then that's a different matter. I will talk to nimrod to have that clarified. My experience of fibrelyte may be unique but I wouldn't want some else to spend on it if the out come may be same. The flat carbon top and bottom decks I have used from nimrod have lined up and were cut on a laser aligned machine. Their plastic composit parts are different and I have always run feedback on those with them to make sure they know if something is out.

GTodd - your photos look great and it's cool to someone enjoying their dyna so much!

Shock towers would not be first on my list of upgrades. The chassis would (flat carbon evo is the best value for money upgrade in my mind). Followed by the trf 501x buggy dampers and decent tires.

HTH

The price I mentioned was this lower and upper deck:

I think this is the space base deck you're referring to? I didn't know they had a flat carbon upper deck, too? What's best for performance (weight, rigidity and durability) by the way: The Carbon tub, the fancy upper deck and lower plate as seen above or a flat upper and lower deck?

[Singapore_959]

The price I mentioned was this lower and upper deck:

I think this is the space base deck you're referring to? I didn't know they had a flat carbon upper deck, too? What's best for performance (weight, rigidity and durability) by the way: The Carbon tub, the fancy upper deck and lower plate as seen above or a flat upper and lower deck?

The deck in your photo is, imo, the best option. That is called the DS EVO chassis pack.

nimrod can do a flat upper deck like the 211 but that is heavier as it requires posts and associated screws to hold it up. Its also harder to access the battery.

The upper deck in your photo is my own design and the lower deck a combo of my design and the head of nimrod. The look and work beautifully together. I love looking at it!

The full carbon composite tub that I showed plans and photos of earlier in the thread has not yet completed testing due to my work search, but we were still looking for improved material mixes when I put things on hold. The design worked well as envisioned but the material was not yet perfect. Work in progress.

[Origineelreclamebord]

The deck in your photo is, imo, the best option. That is called the DS EVO chassis pack.

nimrod can do a flat upper deck like the 211 but that is heavier as it requires posts and associated screws to hold it up. Its also harder to access the battery.

The upper deck in your photo is my own design and the lower deck a combo of my design and the head of nimrod. The look and work beautifully together. I love looking at it!

The full carbon composite tub that I showed plans and photos of earlier in the thread has not yet completed testing due to my work search, but we were still looking for improved material mixes when I put things on hold. The design worked well as envisioned but the material was not yet perfect. Work in progress.

Well I really have to congratulate you on the design It's really awesome, it's beyond anything Tamiya could have produced back in 1992, it is a high specification part and like the original Dyna (and it's parts) it is art in motion!

As for the tub, please let me know how you think it compares to the DS Evo chassis pack when the tub nears completion! I like both, but from an engineering standpoint I think the chassis tub is even more amazing than the plate+top plate that's already for sale. I will go for top performance for my runner, but for my shelfer I may get a Nimrod chassis tub if the performance of the plates is better (although it really doesn't have priority to hopup my shelfer)

[GTodd]

Building this car has been such a joy. It reminds me of building the Astute soooooooooooooo many years ago. Same screws, same crappy press nuts (why the heck didnt the manual suggest thread lock?) Other than the already mentioned press nuts the car seems to be so well engineered, but not over engineered like its brother the Astute. I really believe it was the right car, wrong time.

I really would like to order that new chassis, but I might go for the Fibre if the price doesnt come down a bit. The car will never be an A main car with me driving so the Fibrelyte might be the answer for the chassis. I mean it was good for the factory guys right? And they did perform well sooooo. Anyway, here is another update, last until Thanksgiving is over 'cause Im going to NJ!!!!!!!!!!

Here are all the parts gathered for the next two pages of assembly

The sub assemblies gathered an ready for mounting to the chassis.

The assemblies on the chassis, oops no Blue shocks in the pic, Ill fix that in a second

Look at that angle how could this car possibly have bump steer????

And from the front, there they are..............

PS sorry for the crappy pics, just realized the resolution was turned down, next updates, better pics!!!!!!!!!