Sand Scorcher / Rough Rider differences

[SJoerD]

OK, this might be a much asked question, but what are the differences between these 2 cars. The only things I noticed, were the tires (the wheels too?) and body with exhaust pipe and stuff. I never noticed any real differences but I'm just curious about it. I also wonder if there's a real explanation for the grey and black bumpers, are the black ones just the old type or not?

I know someone who has a Rough Rider (new built!) and I'm trying to push him to sell it to me. I just want to convert it into a Sand Scorcher because I like it more, and want to make sure I've got all the parts if I get my hands on a body shell and the wheels/tires. Thnx.

Sjoerd

I love Sand Scorchers, but I don't have one... Please help this poor collector...id=size1>

[Shodog]

Thats pretty much it. The body, tires and front mount. there were quite a few production variances. Black bumper is just and earlier model. Honestly I like the rough rider better.

Jim

[madbad jezza]

i reckon the roughriders a much better looking car than the scorcher. i,ve just finished restoring my roughrider (yesterday!), and it just looks spot-on in every way. more racy looking. i,ll post some new photos of it in my showroom this week...if i can catch some daylight to take the photos in.

[mr_lister999.]

yeah, can't think of any other differences at the moment. I think the scorcher is the better looking car but the rough rider handles so much better, does not roll on the corner!!!

[SJoerD]

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yeah, can't think of any other differences at the moment. I think the scorcher is the better looking car but the rough rider handles so much better, does not roll on the corner!!!

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How is that possible! If a SS rolls over in corners, and a RR doesn't, there must be a difference in the chassis (I can't be because the SS' body is heavier on top, that would be ridiculous ). Maybe the SS has different stabilizers? Who knows?

And about the production variations, is this something to look for in a car? I hear there are different front wishbones and gear cases, is this true? And how about the XLT and SC, are these and the SS/RR alike too? And are different stabilizers 'production variations' too?

As far as I can see the opinions differ on which one is the most beautifull, I think this is all a matter of taste. Maybe I should be happy if I EVER GET that stinking Rough Rider, since I dont think he will ever sell it to me. Certainly hope he will someday! The Rough Rider is a very tiny bit older than the SS... I'm a bit in doubt now with one is nicer... Ow well, I'll see what I run into, got to complete a BIG deal of 7 cars tomorrow first! I'll keep you posted on my site, www.tamiya.tk!

Sjoerd

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[mr_lister999.]

scorcher has a higher centre of gravity which increases body roll. Could be the chassis as both i have were second hand. There are lots of small variations but these were done over time by tamiya on the same kit (eg scorcher) or whatever. The rough rider body is more moulded to the shape of the chassis.

[DJTheo]

There were some changes made during production on the gearboxes, rear arms, front end and bumper but no specific differences between SS, RR and XLT. SC is a later version with various "improvements". The RBs don't have stabilizers, but you mean probably the rear torsion springs, have seen quite many different stiffnesses, but don't know though if they occured later due to use.

The difference of the body COG is too small to have a noticable influence, would think more the different tires and possibly different spring stiffnesses.

Cheers

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Edited by - DJTheo on 18 Sep 2002 21:20:55

[SteveH(2)]

quote: How is that possible! If a SS rolls over in corners, and a RR doesn't, there must be a difference in the chassis (I can't be because the SS' body is heavier on top, that would be ridiculous ). Maybe the SS has different stabilizers? Who knows?

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Believe me, the RR shell makes LOADS of difference to the handling (better), than the SS shell. Especially if you soften the suspension so it works! Alot less body roll.

[DJTheo]

You can make an experiment by putting your SS body on the RR or the opposite, otherwise there are too many difference that influence, like tires condition/shape, spring stiffnesses, motor speed, maximum steer angle, toe in, caster angle, even servo speed

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Edited by - DJTheo on 19 Sep 2002 09:08:46

[mr_lister999.]

yeah, my scorcher rolls when driving hard into a corner, the rough rider body does not on the same chassis. ( Don't worry, it is a bad condition scorcher shell so a few scratches won't hurt.)

[DJTheo]

Wow, this means then that the RR body is 1% away from the roll over point, what a perfect engineering from Tamiya, nah, it just happended...

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[SJoerD]

Yeah right, that can't be. OR there should still be differences of course, the body shell does matter but it's too little to really notice it.

Sjoerd

I love Sand Scorchers, but I don't have one... Please help this poor collector...id=size1>