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VENOM AUSTRALIA

2012 CASTLE HILL VINTAGE BUGGY FESTIVAL

June Long Weekend: 9th and 10th.

Saturday 2wd - Sunday will be 4wd.

More details at: http://www.rctech.net/forum/australian-rac...ion-events.html

Please READ this post so that you know what is going on at the festival.

Entry fees will be $40 for both days and $30 Dollars for one day and one class per day. IF you are entering more than one class per day - there will be an extra $5 per class entered. This year your entry fee will INCLUDE a famous "Bagguley Banger" gourmet lunch incorporating a sizzling sausage sambo with onion, sauce and corn relish and a can of your favourite soft bevo. (note that this offer is for one lunch only - so if you are there both days - you only get one "free lunch") The BBQ will be running for lunch and also available for our evening meal on Saturday afternoon/night.

******Racing will START at 8am SHARP on BOTH days******

The events to be held on Saturday are:

2wd Stock VINTAGE

2wd Open VINTAGE

2wd Open CLASSIC

Plastic Fantastic

Truck

The events to be held on Sunday are:

4wd Stock VINTAGE

4wd Open VINTAGE

4wd Open CLASSIC

Pipe Frame 4wd

Hotshot

Categories for Vintage racing are:

VINTAGE: Cut off date pre January 1st 1991. 2wd and 4wd classes - open and stock

CLASSIC: from January 1st 1991 through to December 31st 1996.

***Please note that the CLASSIC category cars are OPEN motor only at this time***

Category motor basics:

STOCK - Mabuchi/Johnson 540 ONLY

OPEN - whatever you are mad enough to bolt in - brushed or brushless.

Category Batteries:

Hard case Li-Po only - no exceptions. 7.4 v nominal voltage maximum.

Sub-C cells. 7.2 v nominal voltage maximum

ALL CARS MUST RUN AN ANTENNA TUBE TO ALLOW THE FIXING OF COLOURED FLAGS - just like the good old days!!

Now for some class specific guidelines:

Eligible Truck entries:

This year we are hoping to finally get the truck class off the ground. To do this we are keeping it VERY simple. ANY truck released before December 1996 is eligible to run. The motor for the truck class is open so do what you please. For future events, given enough interest we will split the truck class into Vintage and Classic however to get the numbers happening it is combined for this meeting.

Eligible cars for the PIPE FRAME only class are:

Mugen Bulldog

AYK Viper

Kyosho Gallop

Kyosho Javelin

Hirobo Zerda

The Pipe frame class is strictly 4wd and limited to the above cars only. The motor for this class is the Mabuchi/Johnson RS540. (Same as the stock class). Period modifications are acceptable, however bolting a pipe frame body onto a more modern car does not constitute a Pipe Frame class car. ALL cars must retain a strong resemblance to the original buggy.

Eligible cars for the HOTSHOT Class are:

Hot Shot

Boomerang

Super Shot

Big Wig

Hot Shot II

Super Sabre

The eligible buggies for the Hot Shot class are limited to the above mentioned buggies only. The motor for this class is the Mabuchi/Johnson RS540. (Same as the stock class). Period modifications are acceptable, as is the interchanging of parts between these cars. RE-RELEASED buggies are entirely acceptable in this class. ALL cars must retain a strong resemblance to the original buggy where possible.

Eligible cars for Plastic Fantastic Class:

The list is long so I will dumb it down to the following description as you all pretty much know by now what we have in this class. Any car that was released with fixed camber front and rear. Solid axle buggies like the Hornet and Grasshopper are also included in the class. Basically this class is for all the entry level buggies of the VINTAGE period. Modifications are acceptable; however buggies that have been modified to have adjustable camber will not be allowed to enter.The motor for this class is the Mabuchi/Johnson RS540. (Same as the stock class).

GENERAL GUIDELINES FOR VINTAGE AND CLASSIC:

We now have a VERY clear cut off date for buggies. With this in mind, we will be attempting to ensure that Vintage category buggies are not being unfairly pitted against Classic buggies. Whilst we will never turn anyone away – there is clearly a point that we have to turn buggies away from the Vintage category and onto the Classic category. Here is an example:

Lazer ZX is eligible for the Vintage class. However, a Lazer ZX fitted with Lazer ZX-R/ZX-S/Evolution shock towers, chassis, body and other parts is not really playing fair in the Vintage category. For this reason I would ask that competitors look at their buggy and make sure they are playing in the spirit of the category. Period hop ups are fine however fitting late model parts to an older car and calling it an older car isn't really fair. Likewise fitting an original Viper Gold Pan RC10 shell to a B4.1 does not make it Vintage or Classic!! Please look at the attached word documents for a comprehensive list of what cars fit into what category.

The fitting of later model shocks, Wheels and tyres and other small parts are acceptable as sometimes they are simply impossible to find and or maintain. We need to keep the cost of racing a vintage buggy reasonable and I am certainly not going to make it harder for anyone to come and have a go.

If a buggy is clearly more Classic than it is Vintage we will be requesting that the participant move their entry to the Classic category. Everyone deserves a fair go. Don't take this stance as being hard core at all, just want everyone to be on a relatively level playing field. We will look at individual buggy cases should the need arise, as there are too many possibilities for just one document. Just remember that this is meant to be simple and enjoyable and we are racing old cars the sheep stations disappeared a long time ago!!

DRIVING STANDARDS AND ETIQUETTE:

Some people will be well versed on what is expected at a race meeting and others not – here is what I expect from people attending Vintage events in NSW that I organise in conjunction with the clubs:

HAVE FUN

NO SWEARING AT THE MARSHALS they didn't crash your car you did!! Its ok to talk loudly to attract their attention (they are probably fixated on the cool vintage buggies) but don't swear or be aggressive towards them. Remember you are a marshall too or will be!!

HAVE FUN

If a faster car is coming up to lap you just move slightly off line - or let them know that you are letting them through. This avoids damage to our precious vintage buggies and allows you, as the slower driver, to learn the lines of the faster driver. Crashing, and taking both of you out, only slows the both of you down - easier to just be courteous.

HAVE FUN

Be ready for your race, the sooner you are ready the sooner we can start giving more free time for everyone!

HAVE FUN

Please don't be aggressive with your driving or other competitors. Erratic driving and or deliberate hacking will result in you being asked to leave the track for that race.

HAVE FUN

Did I mention have fun??

Other generalities for this meeting:

Due to the overwhelming success of free runs at previous events, we will be running expression sessions During the running of the event, at the end of EVERY ROUND of heats, we will be having approximately 10 to 15 minutes (depending on race schedule) of expression session time. Some of the titles for these events are:

"Chainsaw Massacre" All Chain driven buggies 2 or 4wd.

"Heavy Metal" All Monster truck and or Wild Willy style buggies

"Insect Cup" All buggies named after an insect!! Pretty self explanatory!

"Beach-combers" All beach buggy/Sand Rail style buggies preferably scale looking.

"Drag Queen" Potential special event at the end of the cay where the fastest time will be recorded over a set distance. The winner will receive a prize. Open to all cars.

We will be having approximately 5 minutes between each race as there are lots of us running multiple classes. If we can push that along and do it faster we will as it will only add more time for expression sessions and the BBQ at the end of the day.

On Sunday evening we will present the trophies for Concourse. Concourse will consist of ENTRANTS CHOICE ONLY. This means that no single person will be picking the winners. A sheet will be required to be filled out with the concourse entrants name and car type listed. The winner of concourse will be the car with the MOST votes. There will be TWO categories for Concourse:

1) "Best Racer" - the best looking car that has actually run and raced over the weekend in at least one entire race - a "parade lap" does not count as a runner.

2) "Shelf Queen" - the best buggy that has been built for display only. It goes without saying that the cars must be eligible to fit in one of the two categories we have – VINTAGE and CLASSIC. That means that the cars considered eligible for concourse must have been released before December 1996.

******PLEASE NOTE: IF we have less than 5 entries for any given class 2 weeks before the event, we will have to cancel that class*******

I really hope that you can all understand the guidelines and more importantly see just how simple I am trying to make these meetings to enjoy yourself.

More details on the specific timings of races and their finer details will come in following posts.

No doubt you will have questions, so please fire away. This is surely going to be the biggest vintage meeting ever held in Australia, please come along and be part of the VENOM INTERNATIONAL CASTLE HILL VINTAGE BUGGY FESTIVAL.

ELECTRONIC on-line entries will be opened up soon via the Castle Hill Clubs on line facility.

http://www.alycat.com/AlycatRC/WebSi...riesSetup.html

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I always find this odd how you can list what is vintage or classic by date...

Here's the example:

A Manta Ray is a DF01, it's release date is Oct 1990, hence this fits in your Vintage class.

A Dirt Thrasher is a DF01, identical chassis to the Manta Ray, yet this fits into your Classic class.

A Blazing Star is a DF01, again identical chassis to the Manta Ray and Dirt Thrasher, but being released post 1996 does not qualify for any class.

All 3 are the lowest spec of the DF01 buggy chassis with the same chassis options and with the same kit included upgrades (none).

Firedragon and Thunderdragon don't fit into the Hotshot class?

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I always find this odd how you can list what is vintage or classic by date...

Here's the example:

A Manta Ray is a DF01, it's release date is Oct 1990, hence this fits in your Vintage class.

A Dirt Thrasher is a DF01, identical chassis to the Manta Ray, yet this fits into your Classic class.

A Blazing Star is a DF01, again identical chassis to the Manta Ray and Dirt Thrasher, but being released post 1996 does not qualify for any class.

All 3 are the lowest spec of the DF01 buggy chassis with the same chassis options and with the same kit included upgrades (none).

Firedragon and Thunderdragon don't fit into the Hotshot class?

Fair call Mark. The way Mr T re-releases and re-hashes chassis, it does make it a bit dicey making a distinction. When Retro and others drew up the lists, they just had to draw a line somewhere. Dec 1990 was it.

TBH, I don't think anyone has even discussed the DF-0 series of cars.

I can understand the Firedragon/Thudershot chassis being called out as different to the hot shots. There's barely a common component.

So does this mean you're thinking about making the trek? It'd be great to meet you after so many years.

Cheers,

Dean

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So does this mean you're thinking about making the trek? It'd be great to meet you after so many years.

It could only be for the Sunday, so that takes me out of anything 2WD, and I don't have anything that qualifies in 4WD. All too new.

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I always find this odd how you can list what is vintage or classic by date...

Here's the example:

A Manta Ray is a DF01, it's release date is Oct 1990, hence this fits in your Vintage class.

A Dirt Thrasher is a DF01, identical chassis to the Manta Ray, yet this fits into your Classic class.

A Blazing Star is a DF01, again identical chassis to the Manta Ray and Dirt Thrasher, but being released post 1996 does not qualify for any class.

All 3 are the lowest spec of the DF01 buggy chassis with the same chassis options and with the same kit included upgrades (none).

Firedragon and Thunderdragon don't fit into the Hotshot class?

do they splitup the DF01s now? Used to be all eligible under a MantaRay banner long as they kept plastic tub.

the 2 'Dragons are Thundershots... usually be under Plastic Fantastic

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do they splitup the DF01s now? Used to be all eligible under a MantaRay banner long as they kept plastic tub.

the 2 'Dragons are Thundershots... usually be under Plastic Fantastic

Plastic fantastic is the 2wd fixed camber class.

I have attached the files that contain the lists I drew up to cover off the Classic and Vintage categories.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Darryn

OFFICIAL_NSW_C_L_A_S_S_I_C__BUGGY_LIST___2011.doc

OFFICIAL_NSW_V_I_N_T_A_G_E_BUGGY_LIST__PRE_91____2011.doc

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I have attached the files that contain the lists I drew up to cover off the Classic and Vintage categories.

Hope this helps.

Nope. Just enforces my orginal post about the DF01 and how 'odd' the classification is. My oldest 4WD buggy is the Blazing Star, which is just a rehashed Manta Ray with a Terra Conquerer body.

I've found no performance gain between the plastic tub and frp plates. The difference I've found is durability when you are jumping them. The plastic tub tends to crack the battery top cover from the chassis. The frp chassis double deck, being held apart with aluminium posts, doesn't suffer from the landing impacts. My lap times are identical on my track using either chassis type.

Performance gain is apparent between plastic and frp plate damper towers. The front plastic tower flexes quite a bit reducing the effectiveness of the suspension. Much more positive response from the steering with the frp plates. A simple rod between the upper damper mounts takes the plastic flex away. The rear plastic tower has a bad angle for the rear dampers which is corrected with the frp tower plate.

Dirt Thrasher vs Top Force (and worse Top Force Evolution) is fair? Base DF01 kit vs top end DF01 kit.

...And you miss classified the 58115 Terra Conquerer, the 'mid range' DF01 buggy and older than Dirt Thrasher. (You listed it in 2WD)

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Nope. Just enforces my orginal post about the DF01 and how 'odd' the classification is. My oldest 4WD buggy is the Blazing Star, which is just a rehashed Manta Ray with a Terra Conquerer body.

I've found no performance gain between the plastic tub and frp plates. The difference I've found is durability when you are jumping them. The plastic tub tends to crack the battery top cover from the chassis. The frp chassis double deck, being held apart with aluminium posts, doesn't suffer from the landing impacts. My lap times are identical on my track using either chassis type.

Performance gain is apparent between plastic and frp plate damper towers. The front plastic tower flexes quite a bit reducing the effectiveness of the suspension. Much more positive response from the steering with the frp plates. A simple rod between the upper damper mounts takes the plastic flex away. The rear plastic tower has a bad angle for the rear dampers which is corrected with the frp tower plate.

Dirt Thrasher vs Top Force (and worse Top Force Evolution) is fair? Base DF01 kit vs top end DF01 kit.

...And you miss classified the 58115 Terra Conquerer, the 'mid range' DF01 buggy and older than Dirt Thrasher. (You listed it in 2WD)

Ammmmm - dont know that I was trying to make a point - but you seem to think I am?? I wasnt looking to enforce a point or anything like that - these are the guidelines we have in place. The cars listed are the cars eligible for the category...pretty simple - they are based on cut off dates.

The cut off dates are the the cut off dates - pure and simple - they had to be made. Racing is not just about Tamiya. The dates were set as a result of clear changes in the way chassis were being developed back in the day - and NOT just Tamiya - this is NOT a Tamiya only meeting. These cut off dates for the Classic and Vintage categories centred mainly around the 2wd and 4wd composite tub chassis coming in from more serious racing brands like Losi and Associated - these new chassis types were a distinct advantage over the older tech of flat plates and alloy tubs (even though the RC10 tub chassis is still a cracker) :).. That was 91.......

Just because Tamiya (and other brands as well to be fair) re-hashed and dragged out their dated designs doensnt make them exempt from the cut off dates....Tamiya pretty much dropped off road all together after 91....just re-hashed some older stuff with a few new ideas. Anyway - flogging a horse that has been done to death on the Australian forums over and over again. The gatherings are about raing the cars in an environment that resembles what would have been racing on a club day back then........unless you had a time machine back then - post 90 models would not have been available for racing in the pre 90 class... Having said all of that - we have never turned away anyone that turns up with a car looking to compete in the "spirit of the guidelines". This includes the Manta Ray chassis cars.

"Dirt Thrasher vs Top Force (and worse Top Force Evolution) is fair?"

Well, that depends very much on the driver ;) .....then again - a Frog against an RC10 isnt fair either - but if the competitor wants to run against an RC10 - that is totally their choice - just as it was back in the old club days in the 80's.....the "sheep stations" have been won.......this is all about the enjoyment of being with mates and fellow enthusiasts that just love the old stuff. Cant think of anything much lamer than getting all hot under the collar about racing toy cars for a plastic trophy..........oh wait.........yes I can - racing OLD toy cars for a plastic trophy!! ;)

I will move the Terra Conquerer from 2wd to 4wd - thanks for picking up on that....as I am the only one to ever do anything with relation to these lists - I need all the help I can get sometimes... :)

It really isn't that serious TA-Mark - if you can - you should come down and have a run and a look.

Cheers

Darryn

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I will move the Terra Conquerer from 2wd to 4wd - thanks for picking up on that....as I am the only one to ever do anything with relation to these lists - I need all the help I can get sometimes... ;)

Also noticed that Grasshopper and Lunchbox were listed in both 4WD and 2WD. :)

I would've liked to have attended. The photos from last years event looked like it was quite a large enthusiast gathering. The wife got her work hours for the next month today and she's catering on the 10th and 11th so I'm 'babysitting' the children.

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...And you miss classified the 58115 Terra Conquerer, the 'mid range' DF01 buggy and older than Dirt Thrasher. (You listed it in 2WD)

Its sooo hard to get good help these days! ;)

Mad Racer Mark brought a Terra Conqueror down last year. Apart from being stoopidly fast, I think that it was accepted as a Classic 4wd mod. TBH, a well tuned TA01 based buggy should have nothing to fear running with the classics in the right hands. Putting my Poly-Anna test across it, running a DF01, you'd have the best of both worlds. Run it without many mods and you have a pretty bullet proof vintage, or mod the **** out of it and have a blast in classic 4wd class.

(whoops, I took too long to type my reply and the conversation moved on - that'll teach me!)

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LOL Mark,

I actually fixed up that Grasshopper/Lunchbox issue this morning - I noticed it too...been like that for 2 years now ..............

Goes to show how many people actually read doesnt it!! LOL

Thanks again

Darryn

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Anyway - flogging a horse that has been done to death on the Australian forums over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

My head hurts Darryn, I need a Bagz Banger...........

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My head hurts Darryn, I need a Bagz Banger...........

Really looking forward to catching up Jak - cant wait to see that Sand Rover in action!! :(

Cheers

Darryn

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Hi TCers,

If you haven't got your entries in, I'd hurry up. You won't regret it.

Good cars, good people, good fun

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I really wish I was in town for this :( I missed out.

Did anyone take any photos?

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