30YrsL8r 97 Posted June 4, 2012 Is the seller of fleabay item 170854660639 legally allowed to sell it (them)? Surely this is blatant copyright theft? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy_w_beans 4272 Posted June 4, 2012 Doesn't look proper to me. He's hawking PDFs of Bullhead, 959, Jugg 2, Willy, Monster Beetle, Blackfoot, and Clodbuster manuals. Not cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfdogstinkus 1893 Posted June 4, 2012 Tamiya will kick his butt. This site wasn't making profit from them and they were removed so thats a risky business. Ebay will let you sell anything, I saw someone selling illegal plants on there recently, he wanted his plant pots back though That listing was removed eventually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badboy 94 Posted June 5, 2012 It's gone now! Badboy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfdogstinkus 1893 Posted June 5, 2012 It's gone now! Badboy I can still see it. here (not sure I should post the link?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TWINSET 1793 Posted June 5, 2012 The seller's got loads of them for sale, and has had for a while by the looks of it They have completed listings for them going back to May 21; http://www.ebay.co.u...14.l1513&_pgn=5 No idea if there's any legal difference between these and the decals, but if you feel strongly about them report them to ebay as Copyright and Trademark offences, Bootleg recordings/Counterfeit Media Every item has a 'report' button, on the right hand side just above the description Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibernaculum 933 Posted June 9, 2012 I reported one of these to eBay about a week ago, as I was fed up with seeing them turn up in my saved searches every day. I hope some of you guys also report them. The more active we are about this junk, the better for everyone. Honestly, I am so sick of fools trying to hawk forged Tamiya rubbish, or auctions packed with keyword spam. It fills my eBay searches with unwanted items. I know many of you love repro decals, and repro this and that....ok. Get it while you can. But I have no issue with Tamiya cracking down on those people either. There are also those sellers who list 10000000000000000000 auctions for generic "ball bearings", using the same pic of some chinese ball bearings on a white surface, and with a different car name in every auction title (or with the description packed with every brand/car they can think of). Really miss the early/innocent days of eBay, when just about every Tamiya auction was for an actual Tamiya product, and nothing else. As the years roll by, the junk filtering parameters on my saved searches are far longer than the terms I am actually searching for, i.e. "Tamiya blah -rubbish -junk -******* -krap -bearings -pdf -DVD -CD -etc....." H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
berman 5315 Posted June 9, 2012 There are also those sellers who list 10000000000000000000 auctions for generic "ball bearings", using the same pic of some chinese ball bearings on a white surface, and with a different car name in every auction title (or with the description packed with every brand/car they can think of). This. After every RC search entry I do there's two pages from the SAME SELLER of all his bearing listings with a million different RC names in the tags, purposely just to annoy the bejesus out of me. Honestly, it was great when it was just people all over the world selling their junk, now it's just advertising material Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TWINSET 1793 Posted June 9, 2012 they're all gone now; http://www.ebay.co.u...=1&_from=&_ipg= Looks like they're all 'no longer available' http://www.ebay.co.u...=item27c7baca3a http://www.ebay.co.u...=item27c7baca31 http://www.ebay.co.u...=item27c7baca34 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chain Driven 0 Posted June 11, 2012 This. After every RC search entry I do there's two pages from the SAME SELLER of all his bearing listings with a million different RC names in the tags, purposely just to annoy the bejesus out of me. Honestly, it was great when it was just people all over the world selling their junk, now it's just advertising material Just a quick tip about the unwanted searches, edit your search and add -bearings (minus sign) You can use it to refine your search with any words you don't want. Cheers Jerome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matman 1499 Posted June 11, 2012 Just a quick tip about the unwanted searches, edit your search and add -bearings (minus sign) You can use it to refine your search with any words you don't want. Cheers Jerome Now that info that is handy , Thanks . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j-man 0 Posted June 11, 2012 Is it Legal? well no probably not? I see someones posted a copy of one of Rad Alloy's chassis on the main page and what amazes me is that he seem's very proud of it? Fair enough Rad doesn't make them anymore but does that make it right? NO !!!! and i would bet anyone £100 the maker hasn't had the decency of asking Rad if they can do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrecked 1 Posted June 11, 2012 Why shouldnt he be proud of it, it IS a nice chassis. Assuming he hasnt stolen Rad's drawings, he has every right to make an alu chassis that looks a bit like Rad's, so whats the problem? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TWINSET 1793 Posted June 11, 2012 It's not an exact copy of Rad's anyway, any more than Rad's was a copy of mine; The chassis from the main site; http://www.tamiyaclu...114753&id=31271 Rad's chassis from 2008 http://www.awesome-a...om/page850.html Cherrybomb's chassis from 2007 http://www.tamiyaclu...=63365&id=17136 Mine from 2003 http://www.tamiyaclu...id=13149&id=169 You can only get so creative with a bit of alu with flicked up sides Just to bring the line up to date, Radshape make an SRB chassis too; http://www.radshaper...ry-119_124.html And Junfac now sell my design; http://www.junfac.co...6d95d6f5a8d9dd9 Thankfully, the right one ended up on this; http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=73612&id=1892 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j-man 0 Posted June 12, 2012 @ Twinset, you missed this one of rad's , look's pretty much the same to me? http://www.tamiyaclu...=84959&sid=1892 @ Wrecked, it does look a nice chassis i wouldn't disagree with that one , but i wonder how you would feel if something you spent hours in designing and creating was copied ? which comes back to the original thread of the manuals and profiting from someone elses intellectual property rights. @ Andy, a bent bit of ally with flicked up sides? how dare you sir !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrecked 1 Posted June 12, 2012 I would feel flattered someone thinks my piece of ally with flicked up sides, was worth the inspiration. Remember, its still not an exact copy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j-man 0 Posted June 12, 2012 Not an exact copy? oh that makes it all right then.... Remember...Specsavers is open nationwide from 9am...!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TWINSET 1793 Posted June 12, 2012 Even if it was an exact copy, so what? When anyone (myself included) makes something, it's up to them to protect themselves against copying, if it's possible - I never even bothered looking into it as it was just a beer-token product. Whne mine got too much hassle to make, I stopped making them, and for a while cherrybomb made something similar but not an exact copy. Then Rad started making something very similar but with fancier machining but not an exact copy. Whilst the one on the homepage obviously borrows heavilly from Rad's version, there are significant differences which tell them apart (the edge chamfering for one) Mine was originally inspired by the 'butterfly' or Taipan chassis (I don't remember which) so even I don't have cause for complaint, although I don't recall ever seeing a chassis with flicked up sides before mine so everyone copied me (just not exactly) The only true 'copy' is the Junfac version, as they're using my original drawings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrecked 1 Posted June 12, 2012 Even if it was an exact copy, so what? Then you _might_ get into trouble with the copyright low. But anyone is allowed to be inspired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j-man 0 Posted June 12, 2012 I'm pretty sure the chamfering is on both chassis? And inspiration is a wonderful thing, but given the obvious talent of whoever made the chassis i think it's such a shame that they cannot come up with something less obvious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TWINSET 1793 Posted June 12, 2012 Yes, it is unfortunate that they made theirs look so similar, as it'll always draw comparisons The chamfering on Rad's was all round the edge of the chassis, whereas that new one looks like they only did the 'holes' properly? Nice bold chamfer; Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j-man 0 Posted June 12, 2012 Oooooh Yes ....Lovely chamfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites