Is this legal?

[30YrsL8r 97]

Is the seller of fleabay item 170854660639 legally allowed to sell it (them)? Surely this is blatant copyright theft?

[speedy_w_beans 4265]

Doesn't look proper to me. He's hawking PDFs of Bullhead, 959, Jugg 2, Willy, Monster Beetle, Blackfoot, and Clodbuster manuals. Not cool.

[wolfdogstinkus 1692]

Tamiya will kick his butt. This site wasn't making profit from them and they were removed so thats a risky business.

Ebay will let you sell anything, I saw someone selling illegal plants on there recently, he wanted his plant pots back though

That listing was removed eventually.

[Badboy 94]

It's gone now!

Badboy

[wolfdogstinkus 1692]

It's gone now!

Badboy

I can still see it.

here

(not sure I should post the link?)

[TWINSET 1792]

The seller's got loads of them for sale, and has had for a while by the looks of it

They have completed listings for them going back to May 21; http://www.ebay.co.u...14.l1513&_pgn=5

No idea if there's any legal difference between these and the decals, but if you feel strongly about them report them to ebay as Copyright and Trademark offences, Bootleg recordings/Counterfeit Media

Every item has a 'report' button, on the right hand side just above the description

[Hibernaculum 932]

I reported one of these to eBay about a week ago, as I was fed up with seeing them turn up in my saved searches every day.

I hope some of you guys also report them. The more active we are about this junk, the better for everyone.

Honestly, I am so sick of fools trying to hawk forged Tamiya rubbish, or auctions packed with keyword spam. It fills my eBay searches with unwanted items.

I know many of you love repro decals, and repro this and that....ok. Get it while you can. But I have no issue with Tamiya cracking down on those people either.

There are also those sellers who list 10000000000000000000 auctions for generic "ball bearings", using the same pic of some chinese ball bearings on a white surface, and with a different car name in every auction title (or with the description packed with every brand/car they can think of).

Really miss the early/innocent days of eBay, when just about every Tamiya auction was for an actual Tamiya product, and nothing else. As the years roll by, the junk filtering parameters on my saved searches are far longer than the terms I am actually searching for, i.e. "Tamiya blah -rubbish -junk -******* -krap -bearings -pdf -DVD -CD -etc....."

H.

[berman 5313]

There are also those sellers who list 10000000000000000000 auctions for generic "ball bearings", using the same pic of some chinese ball bearings on a white surface, and with a different car name in every auction title (or with the description packed with every brand/car they can think of).

This. After every RC search entry I do there's two pages from the SAME SELLER of all his bearing listings with a million different RC names in the tags, purposely just to annoy the bejesus out of me. Honestly, it was great when it was just people all over the world selling their junk, now it's just advertising material

[TWINSET 1792]

they're all gone now; http://www.ebay.co.u...=1&_from=&_ipg=

Looks like they're all 'no longer available'

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item27c7baca3a

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item27c7baca31

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item27c7baca34

[Chain Driven 0]

This. After every RC search entry I do there's two pages from the SAME SELLER of all his bearing listings with a million different RC names in the tags, purposely just to annoy the bejesus out of me. Honestly, it was great when it was just people all over the world selling their junk, now it's just advertising material

Just a quick tip about the unwanted searches, edit your search and add -bearings (minus sign)

You can use it to refine your search with any words you don't want.

Cheers

Jerome

[matman 1497]

Just a quick tip about the unwanted searches, edit your search and add -bearings (minus sign)

You can use it to refine your search with any words you don't want.

Cheers

Jerome

Now that info that is handy , Thanks .

[j-man 0]

Is it Legal? well no probably not?

I see someones posted a copy of one of Rad Alloy's chassis on the main page and what amazes me is that he seem's very proud of it?

Fair enough Rad doesn't make them anymore but does that make it right? NO !!!! and i would bet anyone £100 the maker hasn't had the decency of asking Rad if they can do it.

[Wrecked 1]

Why shouldnt he be proud of it, it IS a nice chassis.

Assuming he hasnt stolen Rad's drawings, he has every right to make an alu chassis that looks a bit like Rad's, so whats the problem?

[TWINSET 1792]

It's not an exact copy of Rad's anyway, any more than Rad's was a copy of mine;

The chassis from the main site;

http://www.tamiyaclu...114753&id=31271

Rad's chassis from 2008

http://www.awesome-a...om/page850.html

Cherrybomb's chassis from 2007

http://www.tamiyaclu...=63365&id=17136

Mine from 2003

http://www.tamiyaclu...id=13149&id=169

You can only get so creative with a bit of alu with flicked up sides

Just to bring the line up to date, Radshape make an SRB chassis too;

http://www.radshaper...ry-119_124.html

And Junfac now sell my design;

http://www.junfac.co...6d95d6f5a8d9dd9

Thankfully, the right one ended up on this; http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=73612&id=1892

[j-man 0]

@ Twinset, you missed this one of rad's , look's pretty much the same to me?

http://www.tamiyaclu...=84959&sid=1892

@ Wrecked, it does look a nice chassis i wouldn't disagree with that one , but i wonder how you would feel if something you spent hours in designing and creating was copied ? which comes back to the original thread of the manuals and profiting from someone elses intellectual property rights.

@ Andy, a bent bit of ally with flicked up sides? how dare you sir !!!

[Wrecked 1]

I would feel flattered someone thinks my piece of ally with flicked up sides, was worth the inspiration.

Remember, its still not an exact copy!

[j-man 0]

Not an exact copy? oh that makes it all right then....

Remember...Specsavers is open nationwide from 9am...!!!!

[TWINSET 1792]

Even if it was an exact copy, so what?

When anyone (myself included) makes something, it's up to them to protect themselves against copying, if it's possible - I never even bothered looking into it as it was just a beer-token product.

Whne mine got too much hassle to make, I stopped making them, and for a while cherrybomb made something similar but not an exact copy.

Then Rad started making something very similar but with fancier machining but not an exact copy.

Whilst the one on the homepage obviously borrows heavilly from Rad's version, there are significant differences which tell them apart (the edge chamfering for one)

Mine was originally inspired by the 'butterfly' or Taipan chassis (I don't remember which) so even I don't have cause for complaint, although I don't recall ever seeing a chassis with flicked up sides before mine so everyone copied me (just not exactly)

The only true 'copy' is the Junfac version, as they're using my original drawings.

[Wrecked 1]

Even if it was an exact copy, so what?

Then you _might_ get into trouble with the copyright low. But anyone is allowed to be inspired.

[j-man 0]

I'm pretty sure the chamfering is on both chassis?

And inspiration is a wonderful thing, but given the obvious talent of whoever made the chassis i think it's such a shame that they cannot come up with something less obvious.

[TWINSET 1792]

Yes, it is unfortunate that they made theirs look so similar, as it'll always draw comparisons

The chamfering on Rad's was all round the edge of the chassis, whereas that new one looks like they only did the 'holes' properly?

Nice bold chamfer;

[j-man 0]

Oooooh Yes ....Lovely chamfer