Racing an Egress - tips?

[EddScott]

If, and its a big if, we get some good weather in the UK I'll be racing a 4WD buggy during the summer. Over Christmas I bought a Durango DEX410, Associated B44.1, Schumacher SX3 and a Yokomo BMax4 and I couldn't decide which one to build. I really wanted the Yok but parts might be an issue and was leaning towards the 'rango or B44.1

But last night I bought an Avante 2001 off ebay. Looks in need of some TLC and as I already have a shelfer Egress it hit me that I just had to use the Avante this summer. I'm not that great on the sticks so will never be fighting for top step so its all about getting the most out of racing.

I've got a set of Hi-Caps on the way. I've got a set already but didn't want to open the packs. 2 sets of black DF03 wheels, Avante 2011 CVDs, Captive wheel hexes, ball raced steering, full set of bearings and will be ordering an Egress repro shell shortly. I also need to get the torque splitter set but I could rob my Black Special for parts at a push. I'll do the same with my shelfer and get Lunsfords all round and possibly some Fibre Lyte parts - thicker front suspension mount for sure.

I was wondering what brushless system I could put in the car. I've got a Hobbywing Xtreme stock to go in but wasn't sure whether to go for 10.5t or 8.5t or higher or low?. I don't want to be shredding gears every run.

[94eg!]

A hopped up Avante is NOT an Egress. The differences are much more extensive. An Egress shell won't even come close to fitting an Avante chassis.

BTW:

....I bought a Durango DEX410, Associated B44.1, Schumacher SX3 and a Yokomo BMax4

WTH?!?!?!

[super gripper]

why would even want to race an Egress/Avante when you have all those proper race cars ????

Even be it they all have been superceded !

[ralphee]

Jeez guys, maybe Edd just wants it old school and maybe have some fun!!!! 94eg, he did say Avante 2001chassis too NOT an Avante, read man read!

lee

[ralphee]

Anyhoo, sounds like it'll be a bit of fun for sure Edd. Id not go too nuts on BL power, maybe 10.5 will kick up a few stones?

You should try spend time and collect some YZ parts over time, it can be done, and lets face it, unless you want to keep one pristine......your not going to break much on a YZ10 mate, especially '94 onwards.....its a tank.

Ill be running my YZ10 soon, but indoor on carpet.......but then Iam looking to owning a second lol.

For your 2001, an Egress body sounds cool, along with hicaps and some fibirelyte parts, it sounds nice already.

bests........lee

[super gripper]

Jeez guys, maybe Edd just wants it old school and maybe have some fun!!!! 94eg, he did say Avante 2001chassis too NOT an Avante, read man read!

lee

he did yes your right, I just thought this was a wind up thread to get people to argue.

[ralphee]

Well i know one thing Edd does like to tinker with his chassis' and run some cool mods so im loving the sound of this.

lee

[Percymon]

Personally i'd look at a 8.5T sensored powerplant as a start point, can always swap the motor out at a later date if the drivetrain proves reliable. There are people running faster systems in Avante re-res, just depends how competitive you want to be, but if you're dabbling then best start with something thats semi manageable. A good ESC will give you scope for throttle curve and punch settings so you can protect the gears to a certain extent , even if you are heavy with the throttle finger !

Egress shell will fit the longer A2K1 chassis just fine - i wouldn't bother too much with fibre-lyte chassis plates, the FRP Tamiya ones are pretty tough and light, but perhaps some reinforced towers are a good option.

And if you want to swap the thin grey metal front uprights for some new beefier gold Avante re-re/Vajra ones then let me know - will be happy to trade

[EddScott]

Starting a thread to get people to argue? - you crazy kids!

Ralphee - got bored of the YZ project. It'll keep. We are outdoors so I'd not want risk damaging a YZ.

I just thought I'd rather run something interesting rather than the usual. Indoors I run a Sakura S which is a bit leftfield for the UK.

Percymon - I'll take you up on that offer. If the uprights are good when it arrives I'll PM you. I think the front tower is broken on the one I've bought - its not standard anyway and I think the car has been run with a touring shell so might have been butchered here and there.

I've got a hobbywing xtreme stock and been happy with it in the tourer so will get another for the Avante. I've got a 7.5T but I think that will be a bit too much so probably got with a 10.5T. I've got a 10.5T in the tourer and using the boost its more than enough for my skills (or the lack of!)

What Lipos fit btw?

It'll be a long time since I worked on an Avante 2001

[94eg!]

Jeez guys, maybe Edd just wants it old school and maybe have some fun!!!! 94eg, he did say Avante 2001chassis too NOT an Avante, read man read!

lee

LOL, I read that as 2011.

[kontemax]

Racing Egress? Tips?

If you can, find aluminum front and rear hubs. Use Avante 2011 front gold knuckles.

If you will run on dirt eliminate the front and rear bars, they are useless.

Use modern wheels and tires.

If possible use Avante 2011 drivetrain, wheel axles and black Avante ball diffs.

I used 3 ball diffs. Tried locked and one way spur gear but at the end I went for central ball diff.

Use always steel pinion gear.

Avante 2001 narrow steering FRP bar is better than Egress large Carbon steering bar.

Use modern ball connectors with modern turnbuckles.

Max

[ralphee]

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LOL, I read that as 2011.

You mean, you had your mumbers nixed up lol?

[ralphee]

Totally random comment, but i recall seeing a pic of an Egress running Yokomo wheels from way BITD........ill see if i can find it, it just oozed quirkiness.

lee

[EddScott]

Couple of questions:-

Does anyone know what Lipos will fit the 2001/Egress chassis?

There is no option to change spur?

Does anyone have experience of running brushless on any of the family? I think 10.5t is probably at the limit of the transmission for racing?

[Percymon]

Ed - your message inbox is full.

[EddScott]

Now empty.

[Percymon]

what no pics yet ?

[EddScott]

Just why? Why spend all that time making holes in everything?

I don't buy many lemons but this one is probably up there with the best of them Almost everything needs replacing so a good few hundred quid. Might be better off buying another Vajra. Or throw in the towel and run one of the conventional racers I mentioned at the start.

[Percymon]

On a positive note..

the front wishbones and rear swing arms aren't too expensive to buy (£20 for the lot from Anthony) - and you'd probably want to buy some spares anyway

the holes in the chassis plates won't be seen with a body on so doesn't matter

the steering set is complete and the long servo arm is there (not easy to find)

all the turnbuckles and stabilisers are present

the CVA shocks can be serviced easily and i think i have correct spare springs (will need to check)

you'll be fitting fibre-lyte shock towers so doesn't matter what they are like

the wheels n tyres are fine for shake down testing - race wheels will get marked with contact etc anyway

A quick glance says a full strip down, some new diff balls, new front arms, new rear swing arms and some rear driveshafts of some description will have this as a reasonable rolling race chassis.

Don't get disheartened - i've bought far worse than that !!

[EddScott]

Got to be honest there is just too much that needs replacing/upgrading to make it race worthy - its not just going to be a runner it will be raced. If I add up just some of the basic stuff - Arms, bearings, CVDs, uprights, steering, a couple of parts trees and maybe some transmission parts then I'm close to Vajra money.

Think I'll stick this one back on the bay.

[doctormosfet]

You may want to stick with the FRP chassis on the Avante 2001. If you run on bumpy dirt, the chassis flex will help keep the car more planted, and the FRP chassis on the 2001 will flex more than the Fibre-Lyte chassis. I have an Egress with Fibre-Lyte carbon, and it is no doubt one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen, but for racing you may want to stick with the FRP chassis, if you're on a bumpy surface.

You can start with a 10.5 motor and see how the center diff handles it. I run a 10.5 on my Avante 2011 (not 2001, although I have one of those too and will run it in time ), with the center diff and front and rear ball diffs, and the center diff seems to handle it okay. I had previously run a 7.5 in there, and it was just too much power for the center diff. You may want to upgrade the center balls with carbide balls for longevity.

If you run modern rims and tires, just remember that the larger diameter will increase your ride height. Good for jumping performance, but the chassis will tend to roll more. The Avante series, despite all of its adjustability, had very few options for shock mounting. So if you want to pull the ride height back down with modern rims, you'll need to add downtravel limters on the shock shafts, on the inside of the shock body.

The undertray is something you will need to watch out for. 3 body clips to hold something that will see serious abuse is no good. Mine fell off on my 2011 at the front mounting points, and I regularly lost the rear clip. Eventually, I just mounted it like on a B44, where I reamed holes for some of the screws that mount to the front and rear gearboxes. That will hold the undertray in place, and with some manual dexterity, you can still load and unload your battery without removing the undertray.

A significant problem I have noticed when running my 2011 is that the steering is a little "laggy," for lack of a better term. It does not like to change direction very quickly, despite my running the racing steering rack (which has much less slop) and a relatively quick servo. I've yet to figure out the appropriate fix, but just bear this in mind as you're going around the track, because what it means is that you have to make sure you're lined up for a jump before committing to the jump.

[mheald]

Jeez guys, maybe Edd just wants it old school and maybe have some fun!!!! 94eg, he did say Avante 2001chassis too NOT an Avante, read man read!

lee

And much fun can be had in old school. I've got and driven many finely specked modern racers, but believe it or not, my absolute favourite 4WD drive buggy for all round fun, handling and control is my Avante 2001, it's pure bliss. It's got a handful of Egress hop ups and is as smooth as silk, but it has no modern additions at all. I might be at the back of the pack, but I'd choose my Avante 2001 in a modern race any day

[EddScott]

Over a year old this thread but I finally got an Egress near a track. Was only for a short time and wasn't that great. I resorted to adding an extra hole in the fibre lyte chassis to move the post forward enough to allow a Lipo pack. Car has a 13.5T in for the time being.

Couple of issues:-

Not sure I like the one-way. I don't have anything like that on my B44.1 so not used to it. Stupidly I'd left the drag break on the speedo so it kept spinning round on corners making it all but undriveable.

I find the steering very sloppy. Short of changing all the ball studs and rod ends to lunsfords does anyone have any suggestions.

Where the steering link is connected to the knuckle, the knuckle is very fragile and easy to bend getting the link off. I was thinking of getting the alloy versions that are available.

What it did do was handle the bumps well. My Egress has Kyosho velvets with 30wt oil all round lime springs on the rear and yellow on the front.

[matman]

Over a year old this thread but I finally got an Egress near a track. Was only for a short time and wasn't that great. I resorted to adding an extra hole in the fibre lyte chassis to move the post forward enough to allow a Lipo pack. Car has a 13.5T in for the time being.

Couple of issues:-

Not sure I like the one-way. I don't have anything like that on my B44.1 so not used to it. Stupidly I'd left the drag break on the speedo so it kept spinning round on corners making it all but undriveable.

I find the steering very sloppy. Short of changing all the ball studs and rod ends to lunsfords does anyone have any suggestions.

Where the steering link is connected to the knuckle, the knuckle is very fragile and easy to bend getting the link off. I was thinking of getting the alloy versions that are available.

What it did do was handle the bumps well. My Egress has Kyosho velvets with 30wt oil all round lime springs on the rear and yellow on the front.

Remove the one way , I DON'T use the one way . I have been using the avante ball centre & was going to give

the locked centre a go some time .

I have also upgraded steering uprights & the rear uprights to Year racing . Stellamodels have them . ( under avante ) in the search engine .

[mheald]

I've not attempted any racing but soon learnt that the centre one way was a recipe for ending up facing the wrong way Swapping this out was the best thing I ever did, handles like a charm for me now, but like I say, no track action.