CC-01 or CR-01?

[neverfollow]

Well, been thinking of a new kit and I'm in love with the Uni-mog. It's available as a CC chassis or CR chassis. This is where I'm torn.

I want and don't have any crawler vehicles, so the CR is a good choice.

I want a true scale look, so the CC is a good choice.

I plan to hop up either as much as possible, but I know they are both completely different animals.

Question is, can you make a CC chassis a capable crawler, or is it a waste of time? I don't plan to make them faster, but do plan on replacing the motor with something better.

Or should I just get both?

Comments/suggestions/experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[CoolJetta3]

Get both if you want to do some trail runs you can use the CC and if you want to tackle a little more aggressive terrain you can use the CR.

I'm looking to get a CC next to accompany my CR.

Here one of my CR going where its a little tougher for a CC to go

here an old shot about 4 years ago or more when I first got it

and its other body shell. Still haven't gotten around to buying the Unimog shell for it, but I will.

[Daves956]

The CC is basicly a plastic tub chassis and doesn't resemble any real vehicle chassis, so as a scaler it's not the best choice. The CR frame does look right for a scaler with the exception of the 4 link. If the 2 are even close to the same price I'd go for the CR, Or at least get it first so you can drag the CC wherever you wish it could go on it's own.

[SteveU30]

This is a dilemma I keep trying to decide over myself. Recently however I've been looking at putting a Tamiya body on a different make chassis and I had narrowed it down to the Gmade Sawback chassis. However, after seeing the recent thread about the SWB Axial SCX10 chassis conversion kit which allows a Tamiya body to fit I am now seriously considering going this route. The SCX10 is considered to be one of the more capable crawling chassis' and I think it would look fantastic with a Unimog body on it!

[XV Pilot]

This was a dilemma I faced myself a few years ago. I thought about it deeply, and decided that I wanted a scaler rather than a crawler - something that can cross scale-appropriate terrain in a realistic manner, rather than something to tackle terrian that the full-size equivalent would find impassable. As such, I chose the CC01 over the CR01.

Another factor that made the decision easier was that for the price of a pretty basic CR01, I could get myself a CC01 loaded with pretty much every hop-up I wanted.

[SteveU30]

This was a dilemma I faced myself a few years ago. I thought about it deeply, and decided that I wanted a scaler rather than a crawler - something that can cross scale-appropriate terrain in a realistic manner, rather than something to tackle terrian that the full-size equivalent would find impassable. As such, I chose the CC01 over the CR01.

Another factor that made the decision easier was that for the price of a pretty basic CR01, I could get myself a CC01 loaded with pretty much every hop-up I wanted.

Then I read a comment like this and I start considering the CC-01 again! AAARRGGHHH.....I hate this forum sometimes!!!

[XV Pilot]

Some further food for thought:

[Sayer]

A bit more:

[speedy_w_beans]

I don't think you can go wrong with either; it's more a question of how much suspension travel you want or what sort of look you're after. I'm close to finishing up my TRF801XT build thread and will be starting a CR01 build thread real soon, so stay tuned for that.

In my mind I consider the CC01 a scaler in the sense it has a more realistic suspension travel and gets bundled with some very detailed shells. It looks great and will run great over smooth to moderate terrain.

To me the CR01 is a cross between a scaler and a crawler; it doesn't have the realistic looks of a SCX10 / TF2 / Bruiser, and it doesn't have the crawling capability of a full-blown competition rig, but I just love all the metal content, Erector Set style of construction, and all the moving parts. The CR01 feels like an aggressively modified scaler with more capability. I grew up in the Midwestern part of the USA, so lifted trucks were pretty common. I'm really attracted to the design of the kit.

In terms of crawling, I think the mod Clod route or another brand vehicle would be better because you'll want long suspension links, ground clearance, low center of gravity, front/rear dig control, four wheel steering, locking diffs, etc. I don't think of the CC01 as a crawler; the CR01 could be heavily modified but still might not be right due to where the weight is concentrated and the torque twist from the prop shafts.

[Tamiya1/10]

is a tough call. each has is own merit and strength and weaknesses.

your budget could decide for you. should both be equal..a toss of a coin will decide. or buy the one tamiya will likely stop making it sooner. i am more of a form over function guy...so the cc gets my vote.

[mongoose1983]

Or should I just get both?

I guess that's what you're headed to.

How about a nice CR-01 Land Cruiser, AND a Wrangler XC-01 Jeep?

[mr crispy]

I would say you can make a CC01 very capable with the right mods but if you really want a scale crawler you'd probably be better off betraying your Tamiya roots and pick up an Axial SCX10 based car. The CR01 is a lot of money for a crawler and although it looks like an interesting build, the end result isn't especially capable for you money compared to other brands of crawler out there, high COG being a known problem. For instance you could pick up a RTR Maverick Scout and fit the Tamiya Unimog body shell on it for around £150!

Crawlers are all about modifying to suit your needs though and that's a lot of the appeal for me.

Edit: Somethjng else to think about is once you have a crawler like the Scout, SCX10 or AX10 etc you can drastically change the layout quite easily by making or buying your own chassis rails/plates. You could even bolt the tranny and links to a set of CR01 rails! With the CC01 you're stick with the Tub design, easy to adjust the wheelbase compared to other Tamiya chassis but that's pretty much it.

[Percymon]

is a tough call. each has is own merit and strength and weaknesses.

your budget could decide for you. should both be equal..a toss of a coin will decide. or buy the one tamiya will likely stop making it sooner. i am more of a form over function guy...so the cc gets my vote.

I don't think you can go wrong with either; it's more a question of how much suspension travel you want or what sort of look you're after. I'm close to finishing up my TRF801XT build thread and will be starting a CR01 build thread real soon, so stay tuned for that.

In my mind I consider the CC01 a scaler in the sense it has a more realistic suspension travel and gets bundled with some very detailed shells. It looks great and will run great over smooth to moderate terrain.

To me the CR01 is a cross between a scaler and a crawler; it doesn't have the realistic looks of a SCX10 / TF2 / Bruiser, and it doesn't have the crawling capability of a full-blown competition rig, but I just love all the metal content, Erector Set style of construction, and all the moving parts. The CR01 feels like an aggressively modified scaler with more capability. I grew up in the Midwestern part of the USA, so lifted trucks were pretty common. I'm really attracted to the design of the kit.

In terms of crawling, I think the mod Clod route or another brand vehicle would be better because you'll want long suspension links, ground clearance, low center of gravity, front/rear dig control, four wheel steering, locking diffs, etc. I don't think of the CC01 as a crawler; the CR01 could be heavily modified but still might not be right due to where the weight is concentrated and the torque twist from the prop shafts.

is a tough call. each has is own merit and strength and weaknesses.

your budget could decide for you. should both be equal..a toss of a coin will decide. or buy the one tamiya will likely stop making it sooner. i am more of a form over function guy...so the cc gets my vote.

Spot on guys

I do like the more realistic looks of the CC-01 but when i've seen them in store I've always been a little disappointed by the plastic chassis; perhaps I should bear in mind the price !

The CR-01 in contrast is more extreme, less stock looking and has the improved (metal) chassis - however i can never get my head around the visibility of the springs.

If you want the looks of a jacked up, modded 1:1 off roader then the Cr-01 fits the bill, for something more stock then save some money and go CC-01

[neverfollow]

Thank you all for the responses. They've only made my decision harder!

I really don't want to betray Tamiya, and can't bring myself to buy an RTR. I know they are very modifiable, but something about Tamiya. Guess it is my roots.

The extent of my planned crawling wouldn't be anything too crazy, just some rocks, mud, bashing. But who knows, I may really get into it.

I too can't bare to stand looking at the springs of the CC-01. Looks comical, almost toy grade, but I guess it works.

Maybe a CR-01 with some different wheels/tires, hop up shocks and what ever else is available might fit the bill.

Aaahhhhh!!! I don't know!!

[CoolJetta3]

Paint the springs black. You'll see them less haha!

I put the Tamiya short barrel springs on mine. Maybe I've had it for so long that I don't even notice the springs stand out

[waterbok]

It all depends a bit on where you are planning to drive the car. In the end I had more use for my CR.

The CR is a bit like the Wild Willy, somehow hard to place in a certain corner but loads of fun.

[neverfollow]

Paint the springs black. You'll see them less

Now that's an idea!

[bromvw]

As said it comes down to where you intend to use these . The CC-01 is a scale trail runner that CAN be modified to make it a little more capable . By fitting a decent crawler motor , rear 4 links and drop links it becomes quite a capable rig . A reduction unit makes it even better . I use a 55t motor and 3:1 reduction in mine . Better tyres are a must as the Tamiya ones offer next to no traction . For scale looks on scale terrain its hard to beat .

The CR-01 is a whole different ball game . Its function over form IMO . Yes you have a scale body , but the suspension is almost comic in appearance . Great for rock crawling but you lose any appearance of it being 'real' .

From a cost point of view there's nothing in it . CR-01 is more expensive but by the time you have sorted a CC-01 out with some up grades it will have cost you roughly the same .

Tough Call .

[Daves956]

I had a unimog bodied CC and changed the shocks, tires, wheels and parts of the suspension trying to get it to act like a unimog. I wouldn't go huge on the tires and wheels because it looked wrong that way, but in the end it would have been the only way to make it really run off road. If your looking for a street car then go for the CC but if you plan on running it off road the CR is the better choice.

There's a flagstone walkway out front where I live and unless you made sure of the angle you hit the spaces between stones, the CC always got stuck on the front axle. I finally traded it off and don't miss it a bit.

[sidewaysdave69]

I have both a cr-01 and a cc-01.

the cc-01 is only really good for doing trail runs, they are not very good for crawling. the cr-01 is much better for the crawling I suppose it depends what you want it for.
personally I would look at a trail finder 2 or an axial cxc10 for the best of both worlds.

[XV Pilot]

The stock CC01 is not a terribly exciting or capable vehicle, but then neither is it a particularly expensive one. It is however quite a popular kit, with widespread support amongst after-market parts suppliers. A wide variety of upgrades are thus available for it, often at quite good prices.

A stock CC01 will not keep up wih a stock CR01, but once you have spent similar amounts of money on them, the upgraded CC01 will keep up with the stock CR01 over most terrain, and look a whole lot more realistic while doing it.

[Daves956]

Just out of curiosity, how does a plastic tub look more stock?

[berman]

CC-01 everytime, some of the guys in our club have 3 or so CC-01's, one guy has 10 I think. Two had CR-01s and one got sold and the other is only used for its axles now.

The CC-01 is quite a capable vehicle with only a few simple mods and some decent tyres. I used to want a CR-01 many moons ago, but frankly after driving a few I am glad I never spend the cash, nice to look at, but too much going on and top heavy.

[Mokei Kagaku]

I had a unimog bodied CC and changed the shocks, tires, wheels and parts of the suspension trying to get it to act like a unimog. I wouldn't go huge on the tires and wheels because it looked wrong that way, but in the end it would have been the only way to make it really run off road. If your looking for a street car then go for the CC but if you plan on running it off road the CR is the better choice.

There's a flagstone walkway out front where I live and unless you made sure of the angle you hit the spaces between stones, the CC always got stuck on the front axle. I finally traded it off and don't miss it a bit.

Just out of curiosity, how does a plastic tub look more stock?

The perspective on this depends a lot on whether focus is on performance or realism and whether the goal is a rock crawler or a realistic off-road vehicle that would qualify as roadworthy in the 1:1 world. As performance seems to be your focus much more than realism is, as evidenced by your models too, I can fully appreciate that the CC01 doesn't appeal to you. However, when focus is on realism and on driving off-road in a way that roughly resembles what real 1:1 off-roaders also manage, it's hard to beat the CC01. The stance, the (moderate) suspension travel and the overall visual impact combined with the great bodies offered for it (except maybe the Tourag), make for a great package at a reasonable price.

Also, there are lot of mods that can be made to the CC-01 and because the chassis has been on the market for over two decades, there is vast knowledge and experience "out there" on how to get the most out of the CC01. For instance in continental Europe, there was, maybe still is, an own trial competition class for the CC-01 that over many years have spurred countless innovative modifications to the CC-01 that have made it into a very capable trial vehicle. For rock-crawling it's clearly not the first choice, but dismissing the CC-01 as a "street car" is anything but fair.

Also, this is Tamiyaclub after all, and I think it's pretty clear that Tamiya RC-car enthusiasts typically have somewhat different preferences than other RC-car enthusiasts.

As for the CC-01 tub, it's of course not as realistic as a separate frame, but it's pretty realistic for the first model in the series (the Pajero MTW) and the question is how much one can expect at the fraction of the cost of a "real" frame. Also, the CC-01 tub is far more realistic than most touring car or pan car chassises out there, and during the decades I've been in the hobby, I can't recall anyone complaining about lack of realism for those. Probably simply because realism is more than anything the result of how the model looks with the body on; with correct stance, matching wheelbases of body and chassis, proportions, wheel and tire sizes and proportions and so on.

Personally, I would love to see Tamiya release a "CC-02" to get rid of some of the weaknesses of the CC-01, primarily the steering mechanism and the stripping of the threads for the front gearbox cover (although there are fixes for both). The CC-01 is by no means perfect, but considering its age, it's pretty amazing, which is probably the reason why Tamiya has kept it in the market for such a long time too.

And Tamiya as a commercially extremely successful company generally doesn't manufacture and sell a specific product for decades for nostalgic reasons alone and if the Tamiya HQ staff had been as ignorant about marketing research and sales figures as some people claim, you bet they wouldn't have been such a major and successful player in the market. Obviously, the CC-01 is appreciated and loved by a vast amount of customers and has been for a long time. At the moment that should end, the CC-01 will be withdrawn from the market and (possibly) be replaced. Personal preferences are absolutely OK, but except for a rare miss now and then, they know very well what they are doing at the Tamiya HQ and have done so consistently for more than half a century, and that's something I admire a lot more than personal preference, including my own.

[Sayer]

Just out of curiosity, how does a plastic tub look more stock?

To be honest, you mostly cant see it. The chassis has handy dandy wheel-wells molded into the tub and a sweeping chassis-rail (albeit black plastic) look when viewed from the side. The tub bit is in the middle and obscured almost completely by the body in most cases. That said, if I had unlimited funds and was in the market for a new scale looking off-roader, I'd get an Axial kit, the wheelbase shortening kit, and then drop a Jeep body on it.